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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Awakened.
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Posted - 2014.02.19 17:19:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:All I am stating is even prominent wh groups gets the bulk of their kills in k-space, doesn't that mean that fights and kills in wh are too little to be had? Or that there are not enough people in w-space, IN MY OPINION adding a c7 will not help bring new players in, fixing POS system and black holes will.
Interesting... Have you spoken to may people who have told you "i'm not moving into wormhole space until they fix black holes and POS"?
ps. i fixed your post for you. +1 |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
241
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:00:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:All I am stating is even prominent wh groups gets the bulk of their kills in k-space, doesn't that mean that fights and kills in wh are too little to be had? Or that there are not enough people in w-space, adding a c7 will not help bring new players in, fixing POS system and black holes will.
No it won't. I'm not sure what you are talking about. If you are talking about c4 and below space, there are plenty of people constantly moving in and out of those areas, and there are plenty of newer players there. If you're talking about c5/c6 space, there aren't new players because the current state of affairs is a huge blobfest. People keep saying "WE NEED NEW PLAYERS" when what they're trying to say is "ALL THE PLAYERS WE MEET WONT ENGAGE US BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN".
What will bring in new players to wormhole space is a creation of a niche for them to occupy. In that sense, adding c7's would help, either through the addition of c7 space for people to move to, or the subsequent freeing up of lower class wormholes as the larger groups settle c7's.
I PERSONALLY don't think new space is the answer, like I said before I think the answer is to inhibit the ability of people to easily occupy any area of wormhole space. I think that wormholes should be primarily occupied by nomadic players and that game mechanics should support this. W-space could be made significantly more dynamic and allow for more bountiful pvp through a number of methods, increasing wormhole count significantly, randomizing wormhole mass, allowing for very short wormhole lifespans, etc...
In my opinion wormholes right now are just a shittier version of nullsec. If people want solo/small gang kills on a regular basis, they can easily find this in lowsec or npc nullsec. If people want to wait around for an hour before getting either blueballed or getting a fight where they either blob their targets or get blobbed back, they can go to 0.0. W-space offers nothing except for the ability to gank targets due to no-local. |
Klarion Sythis
End-of-Line
230
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:55:00 -
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Most of the ideas and suggestions for W-Space revolve around forcing or encouraging people to play the game differently. If they wanted to do it, they'd probably be doing it now.
Want new systems to entice new people? They're sure as hell not going to START in a C7. C6 and C5 systems are pretty empty now so it's not like there's not room. So why aren't people moving up more? Answer that first. My opinion is because the established groups are wealthy, experienced, and demand a blood sacrifice every time they roll in even when both sides know the new group doesn't stand a chance. Sounds fun to me!
Can't SD in a POS? Oh good, we're encouraging ourselves to kick more people out. It certainly doesn't encourage people to fight more since SDing causes them to lose their **** anyway. Think they'll go for a last stand or one glorious whelp into your blob? Doubt it. They'll pack up what they can, log off, and hope to escape later. Whelping does nothing for them in any sense.
Increasing income clearly isn't the answer as all that does is infest W-Space with more farmers. Just look at C5 space after cap escalations became common knowledge.
We're products of our own habits. HK is failscading? Quick! Recruit their content creators so we seal the deal and make sure they don't have anyone who can lead a reformed version. There goes another independent entity, rolled into the rest.
You have to appeal to the kind of people that want to do this stuff, not just force people in front of your guns. They need to have fun which means having a chance in fights against us and appealing to people who actually like to PVP. CSM members: ask the other CSM why they don't play in wormholes. Who knows, maybe they want the fountain of kills from lowsec, the ~story~ of nullsec, or maybe they hate living in POSes, or the lack of local. Maybe we're all just pricks! No matter the answer, I'm pretty sure no one is going to say "because there's no C7 space" or "there's no room." |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
998
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Posted - 2014.02.19 19:24:00 -
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It's very easy to understand why there are so many in lower end wormholes and not so many in c5/c6 space....Capitals. No trolling please |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
242
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Posted - 2014.02.19 19:57:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote: Increasing income clearly isn't the answer as all that does is infest W-Space with more farmers. Just look at C5 space after cap escalations became common knowledge.
Why is this even a problem though? Farmers farm, farmers die. Just look at how successful Blood Union has been, they are literally slaughtering capital escalation groups at 1-2 per day. Not necessarily saying that WH income should be increased, but what you're saying is baseless because farmers do increase the amount of content for some people, and they certainly don't decrease it. Not like having a farmer in a WH is worse than that WH being empty from a pvp standpoint... |
Justin Cody
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
102
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:15:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Rek Seven wrote:
Isk farming isn't mentioned once.
When you mention capital sleepers, the isk farming community get a boner thinking "capital sleeper wrecks" Rek Seven wrote:
FYI, a pos revamp isn't happening.
Sadly for all of us, you might be right here.
Anything can happen if we yell loud enough and or cry hard enough.
the fact is that it is needed in order to move this game along for another decade whether or not the dev's can handle it. They can start by rapid-prototyping the new system like they are doing with the EVA stuff and then push for the resources. First thing that will need to happen is re-factoring the extant code. That alone is a year or two-year project that would have serious up-side performance benefits (new shield GFX, update tower art, pos module art *yeah new serpentis pos mod textures were cute*) and all kinds of things to push the DX11 graphics only just now supported.
Bane you really need to hound them on POS's. Just push for re-factoring of the existing code would help the game immensely. That would enable adjusting the entire anchoring system in game... oh god trying to anchor pos mods outside the shields makes my eyes bleed. |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
722
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:19:00 -
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Justin Cody wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Rek Seven wrote:
Isk farming isn't mentioned once.
When you mention capital sleepers, the isk farming community get a boner thinking "capital sleeper wrecks" Rek Seven wrote:
FYI, a pos revamp isn't happening.
Sadly for all of us, you might be right here. Anything can happen if we yell loud enough and or cry hard enough. the fact is that it is needed in order to move this game along for another decade whether or not the dev's can handle it. They can start by rapid-prototyping the new system like they are doing with the EVA stuff and then push for the resources. First thing that will need to happen is re-factoring the extant code. That alone is a year or two-year project that would have serious up-side performance benefits (new shield GFX, update tower art, pos module art *yeah new serpentis pos mod textures were cute*) and all kinds of things to push the DX11 graphics only just now supported. Bane you really need to hound them on POS's. Just push for re-factoring of the existing code would help the game immensely. That would enable adjusting the entire anchoring system in game... oh god trying to anchor pos mods outside the shields makes my eyes bleed.
I completely agree, i know its a balance CSM's have to handle so that CCP still speaks to them but it doesn't mean i will stop nagging every WH CSM about POS's.
Seriously i think we would all just settle for the personal SMA's we all asked for when we got the useless personal CHA. I don't see how a personal SMA would take that much more dev time then all these nullsec deployable structures we have gotten. (Insert witty signature here) |
Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
627
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:34:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:
Interesting... Have you spoken to may people who have told you "i'm not moving into wormhole space until they fix black holes and POS"?
ps. i fixed your post for you.
Yes, actually POS management is the number one concern for new groups or individuals moving into w-space. Everyone has a different way of managing rights to the POS but you have to admit that the amount of risk to personal assets is disproportional in w-space.
You keep saying that its opinion of other people that c7s would not work. However you are yet to present an argument for why they would work. I mean you have not even proposed the idea correctly, you just listed what c7 should have and that YOU BELIEVE that c6 groups should fight for space. I however HAVE presented you with a list of items for why c7s are terrible. I will present you with another list:
-Fighting for space is a null sec mechanic, w-space should be original -Fighting for space is extremely difficult in w-space, only a handful of invasions have been successful. -Fighting for space has a side effect of coalition and alliance building -Only four c7s, accessible from c6s ,with no anchoring and requiring capital escalations will provide content to 1000 or less pilots. Only to members of a few corps that live in c6s.
What you are proposing will consume development time, impacts too few players, provides no incentive for any group to enter w-space and is superfluous at best. Furthermore it will cause various groups to build coalitions that will help them protect their c6 space. |
Klarion Sythis
End-of-Line
231
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:50:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:Klarion Sythis wrote: Increasing income clearly isn't the answer as all that does is infest W-Space with more farmers. Just look at C5 space after cap escalations became common knowledge.
Why is this even a problem though? Farmers farm, farmers die. Just look at how successful Blood Union has been, they are literally slaughtering capital escalation groups at 1-2 per day. Not necessarily saying that WH income should be increased, but what you're saying is baseless because farmers do increase the amount of content for some people, and they certainly don't decrease it. Not like having a farmer in a WH is worse than that WH being empty from a pvp standpoint... I never said farmers were a bad thing, but I think what the people posting here want are those who live and fight in W-Space rather than just more ganks. Farmers can farm. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
998
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:23:00 -
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I can't think of how a c7 would benefit anyone except a handful of people, whom are already established in deep wormhole space.
A better and more outrageous idea would be to have random wh's appearing in all classes of wormholes, ones that would end up in Jove systems. Have some sort of new PVE mechanic in those systems where you could acquire loot (much like you do now with sleeper loot) to reverse engineer.
No trolling please |
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Jack Miton
Sky Fighters
3030
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:36:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:alternatively, you could just block my posts and move on with your life. god i wish... Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Jack Miton
Sky Fighters
3030
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:48:00 -
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ok let me try to explain this again...
you goal is to get more people into WH space right? ok fine, that's a good goal. so lets look at where the average newbro player goes when they start off in WHs. do they go to C6s? C5s? no. the average entry point for new players to WHs are C2s. this can easily be varified by the number of people that are always looking for C2s, the fact that C2 space sees the most POS kills of ANY wh class and that C2s are all populated except for a handful of C5/6 and NS static ones.
you also say you want the low class groups to move up to high class space. ok, fine, nothing inherently wrong with that either. so what is stopping people from doing just that? is it that all C5 and C6 holes are populated? is it that is costs more? is it that theyre too hard? no it isnt. C6s and C5s are mostly empty and finding whatever high end WH you want (with the exception of C2 statics, again theyre the most popular) takes little more than a weekend of scanning. hell, if you want a C6, Ragarok will even hook you up for free! so why don't they move? well, simply because they dont want to. theyre perfectly happy in low class WH space and dont care enough about isk to make the move.
so in light of these two facts, that C2s are the most popular WH class and that high end space is mostly empty with little draw for a lot of low class groups, how do you suggest we get more people into WH space? do you suggest that we add more C2 space or add content to higher end WHs that is attractive for new players and existing low end groups? no. you go and suggest we add more high end space which is only available for high end living groups....
please, just do the maths. C5, C6, C7, C8 whatever. fact is high end WH space is a LOT less populated than low end WH space and there are reasons for that. and you want to add MORE high end space? it just makes no sense at all to anyone who looks at WH space as a whole, not just their little corner of it.
PS: the reason I usually dont spend the time to describe in this kind of detail why youre wrong is because Id have to do it every other day and you dont listen anyway. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
999
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Posted - 2014.02.19 22:51:00 -
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Jack gets it. No trolling please |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Awakened.
204
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:19:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:I can't think of how a c7 would benefit anyone except a handful of people, whom are already established in deep wormhole space.
A better and more outrageous idea would be to have random wh's appearing in all classes of wormholes, ones that would end up in Jove systems. Have some sort of new PVE mechanic in those systems where you could acquire loot (much like you do now with sleeper loot) to reverse engineer.
Firstly, if CCP decided to add a C7 class that held new content, depending on how good that content was, a lot of people would want to experience it and a lot of competition would spring up between the corporations/alliances because of it..
I'm sure there are some people out there that are thinking of leaving wormhole space and C7 wormhole might make them stay, it might ex-wormhole corporations return and it would definetly entice new players to try WH space out (depending on what the content was). One thing that I don't see C7 wormholes doing, is making people leave wormhole space.
Secondly, I like your idea of new wormhole connections and I think that could be a good feature of a C7. In addition to some of the ideas others have suggested, the C7 systems could have 7 statics - c1, c2, c3, c4, c5, c6 and Jove (or the new space CCP is adding). I think that would do wonders for wormhole space as a hole and ensures that when CCP introduce their planed new space, wormholes will be a part of it.
If this new content helped increase the population is WH space, we would have more voices to scream for a pos revamp but right now, CCP probably consider it good enough for the time being.
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Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1000
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:26:00 -
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What has been proposed as a new wormhole (c7) can easily be implemented in wormholes that already exist (black holes). There is no need for a new class of wormholes when you have virtually all black holes being vacant and devoid of activity. Revamp what is existing already instead of thinning out c5/c6 space even more.
No trolling please |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Awakened.
204
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:39:00 -
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^ Did you even read the original post? Your saying capital sleepers, roaming sleepers and new tech should be added to black hole systems? ... Sure, I would go for that!
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Duke Wendo
Probe Patrol Awakened.
6
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:43:00 -
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Reading these posts makes me even more happy when I kill people in wormholes |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1000
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:56:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:^ Did you even read the original post? Your saying capital sleepers, roaming sleepers and new tech should be added to black hole systems? ... Sure, I would go for that! .
I totally forgot about that part hahaha! Just say no to capital sleepers! For serious though, my main point is you have a platform to add new content in wormholes where there is currently none. Use that.
Quinn Corvez wrote: Seriously guys, if you don't like an idea someone post, say why and then go away. The truly bad ideas don't need your help to stay out of the game. All that happens is the thread gets derailed because of egos and people arguing their own agenda.
There is nothing wrong with a discussion/debate when it comes to new ideas and suggestions. While there may be some egos here, I find it fair to say that all the people that have posted thus far truly care about wormholes space, even if it some focus on a small slice of it. No trolling please |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
336
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Posted - 2014.02.20 03:15:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:ok let me try to explain this again...
you goal is to get more people into WH space right? ok fine, that's a good goal. so lets look at where the average newbro player goes when they start off in WHs. do they go to C6s? C5s? no. the average entry point for new players to WHs are C2s. this can easily be varified by the number of people that are always looking for C2s, the fact that C2 space sees the most POS kills of ANY wh class and that C2s are all populated except for a handful of C5/6 and NS static ones.
you also say you want the low class groups to move up to high class space. ok, fine, nothing inherently wrong with that either. so what is stopping people from doing just that? is it that all C5 and C6 holes are populated? is it that is costs more? is it that theyre too hard? no it isnt. C6s and C5s are mostly empty and finding whatever high end WH you want (with the exception of C2 statics, again theyre the most popular) takes little more than a weekend of scanning. hell, if you want a C6, Ragarok will even hook you up for free! so why don't they move? well, simply because they dont want to. theyre perfectly happy in low class WH space and dont care enough about isk to make the move.
so in light of these two facts, that C2s are the most popular WH class and that high end space is mostly empty with little draw for a lot of low class groups, how do you suggest we get more people into WH space? do you suggest that we add more C2 space or add content to higher end WHs that is attractive for new players and existing low end groups? no. you go and suggest we add more high end space which is only available for high end living groups....
please, just do the maths. C5, C6, C7, C8 whatever. fact is high end WH space is a LOT less populated than low end WH space and there are reasons for that. and you want to add MORE high end space? it just makes no sense at all to anyone who looks at WH space as a whole, not just their little corner of it.
PS: the reason I usually dont spend the time to describe in this kind of detail why youre wrong is because Id have to do it every other day and you dont listen anyway.
It is not only about adding more people, but adding more quality fights and content to wh space. C2 wh's are fun and newbie friendly but all you get there is the odd drake gank and very small gang fights that are usually ganks. Serious fights in higher class wormholes are so few and when they do actually happen they are usually consensual, with no goals or strategic initiative other than winning the fight itself (incidentally the main reason that they only happen when both sides consent to the fight).
And c2's are more populated for the same reason more people do L4 missions than incursions; incursions is higher content and simply requires more cost (effort and isk) to get into to, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire to make more of it, or improve upon it if it is not sufficient. c2's are also much more convenient because they have k-space connections, arguably diminishing their effects on wh space as a whole anyways.
Higher class wormholes are supposed to be dangerous and risky, all the risk you have there is if you mouthed off to wrong person in the handful of competent alliances that stayed in wh space, or blood union. Without blood union capital escalations is more risk free than incursions (yes highsec incursions).
You are content with your c2 experience? Fine all is good, but some of us want more and that is what we are asking for. |
Jack Miton
Sky Fighters
3037
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Posted - 2014.02.20 04:38:00 -
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Guess it's the time of night where I point out I havnt lived in a C2 since 2009 *shrug*. I now live in a C5>C5 and killed me a Legion in a C5 just last night, fun times were had, his 2 friends in their Legions were too slow to get there.
So to summarize this wonderful thread; don't fly Legions kids, they're teribad.
/thread
PS: Nice NPC alt btw. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
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Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
336
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Posted - 2014.02.20 04:46:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Guess it's the time of night where I point out I havnt lived in a C2 since 2009 *shrug*. I now live in a C5>C5 and killed me a Legion in a C5 just last night, fun times were had, his 2 friends in their Legions were too slow to get there.
So to summarize this wonderful thread; don't fly Legions kids, they're teribad.
/thread
PS: Nice NPC alt btw.
For fucks sake I just left my wormhole corp not a month ago, stop harping on the ****** npc corp, some of us take the time to do some baiting with a character before they join another corp. This has been for the past year what I posted with, I am not going to change character now because I am temporarily deciding in which corp to put him in. If you can't argue against them call them "socialists".
But yes your retorts to the counter points I provided were amazing, really I can see your point of view now.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Awakened.
1384
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:03:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote: the reason I usually dont spend the time to describe in this kind of detail why youre wrong is because Id have to do it every other day and you dont listen anyway.
I try to listen to what you are saying Jack but in these type of decisions, you immediately go on the attack telling people how they are wrong, throwing around your personal opinion like they are facts.
Sometimes i agree with what you but when find your views unrealistic and illogical I'll try to explain how some people view things differently but most of the time my main argument is ignored and up arguin about off topic stuff...
Jack Miton wrote: please, just do the maths. C5, C6, C7, C8 whatever. fact is high end WH space is a LOT less populated than low end WH space and there are reasons for that. and you want to add MORE high end space? it just makes no sense at all to anyone who looks at WH space as a whole, not just their little corner of it.
Here is an example. This thread is about adding a VERY low number of C7 wormholes (4-7) that hold new content. Ideally, i would like them to be implemented in a way that encourages people to move into C6 space because C6 is too quiet atm. You admit there is a population problem in C6 space but your answer is to focus on low end wormholes?! Surely this would make things worse.
I think most people would agree that as you go up in wormhole classes rewards should be greater because of the increased difficulty and risk. C7 wormholes could be a way to encourage people to take the risk and move to a higher class, and it would also allow CCP to experiment more with wormhole space without screwing up what we already have. +1 |
Jezza McWaffle
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
81
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:11:00 -
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C7's should only have static C6's (at least 2) and the planets hold no moons :P C6 Wormhole blog http://holelotofwaffle.wordpress.com/ |
Jack Miton
Sky Fighters
3039
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:08:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:C7 wormholes could be a way to encourage people to take the risk and move to a higher class, and it would also allow CCP to experiment more with wormhole space without screwing up what we already have. this is exactly like saying C6s encourage people to move to C5s. it's nonsense.
whatever, im signing out of this thread, see my earlier post for why this idea is stupid. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1012
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:15:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:C7 wormholes could be a way to encourage people to take the risk and move to a higher class, and it would also allow CCP to experiment more with wormhole space without screwing up what we already have.
If that was even remotely true, everyone in c2 space would have moved to c6 space long ago. Instead, c2's are the most populated wormholes in Eve. No trolling please |
TurboX3
V0LTA Triumvirate.
44
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:18:00 -
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OMG this is already 6 pages long.... Boring No Trolling Please |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1012
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:28:00 -
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TurboX3 wrote:OMG this is already 6 pages long.... Boring
Come up with a c8 idea. Keep it going No trolling please |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Awakened.
1387
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:29:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Rek Seven wrote:C7 wormholes could be a way to encourage people to take the risk and move to a higher class, and it would also allow CCP to experiment more with wormhole space without screwing up what we already have. this is exactly like saying C6s encourage people to move to C5s. it's nonsense. whatever, im signing out of this thread, see my earlier post for why this idea is stupid.
No it's not, it's like saying new content would attract new players. If fail to see this then i agree, you should stay out of this thread and all others that require people to do your thinking for you. [Added to blocked list]
Bane Nucleus wrote:Rek Seven wrote:C7 wormholes could be a way to encourage people to take the risk and move to a higher class, and it would also allow CCP to experiment more with wormhole space without screwing up what we already have. If that was even remotely true, everyone in c2 space would have moved to c6 space long ago. Instead, c2's are the most populated wormholes in Eve.
Wrong. People live in C2 because they prefer it there or their corp isn't strong enough yet. There is nothing wrong with C2 space, and because it's so populated, this indicates that C2 are the last wormhole system that need any improvements, so stop banging on about C2 FFS.
Every time, you guys just skip over the entire post and respond with poorly thought out arguments. I'm tried of it. +1 |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
337
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:40:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Rek Seven wrote:C7 wormholes could be a way to encourage people to take the risk and move to a higher class, and it would also allow CCP to experiment more with wormhole space without screwing up what we already have. If that was even remotely true, everyone in c2 space would have moved to c6 space long ago. Instead, c2's are the most populated wormholes in Eve.
Yes but why are they populated? And with how many people are they actually populated with? They are populated for the simple reason that they are the L4 missions of wormhole space. Decent reward, relatively low risk, and very convenient to live in. Wormhole space, other than the safe capital escalations, does not offer any high end content.
The state of wormhole space in general is declining, most competent squads if they didn't already leave are basing a bulk of their operations in k-space. The number of squads that can field 15+ active pilots on a consistent basis that mostly do wh stuff can be counted on one hand.
4 years same old ****, over and over.
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Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1012
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:58:00 -
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It's funny you say declining, because I've noticed a pretty good increase in c5 space activity from the last time I was here. No trolling please |
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