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Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:57:00 -
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Rowells wrote:I'm really sad to see dust not take off in popularity as i hoped it would. When i got on the beta i thought it was actually pretty fun. sadly my PS3 died (RIP 2010-2013) and i had to stop, but i thought it had potential. Anyone know what the major killer was or was it a bunch of little things?
Each patch unbalances something new, while fixing something else. The new imbalance causes people to quit, and the people who quit in the previous patch never come back to see their problem was fixed. Over a series of 7 terrible patches... |
Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.07 16:07:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:Rowells wrote:I'm really sad to see dust not take off in popularity as i hoped it would. When i got on the beta i thought it was actually pretty fun. sadly my PS3 died (RIP 2010-2013) and i had to stop, but i thought it had potential. Anyone know what the major killer was or was it a bunch of little things?
Each patch unbalances something new, while fixing something else. The new imbalance causes people to quit, and the people who quit in the previous patch never come back to see their problem was fixed. Over a series of 7 terrible patches...
Welcome to F2P games. This stuff just happens when new content gets released. To make up for it the content is free.
If you compare it to Titanfall: Maybe Titanfall will be perfectly balanced when it comes out. But then what? It will never change. You may get some new maps through DLC but then what? No comparison to Dust that will get 3 new side weapons and a lot of new suits in the next 2 weeks for free.
This is also a point Dust has going for it. Titanfall for example. I like it. I preordered it. But I know: After I reach Gen 10, what will take approximately 100h, I will probably not look at that game again and the sequel will probably be out by then. Dust on the other hand. Heck: New free content every month. A lot of skills to spec into. That is stuff that makes you come back. Of course they might **** up the balancing over and over again. But that's just the price for new meaningful content. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.03.08 10:38:00 -
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If you are making points about the game itself, that its unplayable in longer run and you have to move to other game to have fun, and when you don't want to come back to DUST, than it failed, and even placing it on other platforms will not help. It could be tried by more people, but in longer run it will fail like on PS3, as you say. _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2014.03.11 09:34:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:IMO its the lack of relevant DUST-EVE interaction.
We (EVE players) don't build their (DUST players) weapons, vehicles, or equipment.
We can't hire them to attack planets. Or anything else, for that matter.
DUST mercs are still stuck in one area in lowsec (Molden Heath), and are basically quarantined in the EVE universe.
Yeah, there are some incentives to do orbital strikes, mainly for FW players, but for the most part.....no.
The hard-core players that seem to be left also seem to be EVE players, too.
As for gameplay issues, the biggest complaint I seem to hear is the matchmaking (there doesn't seem to be any) and lack of PvE content (so that new players have a chance to make some ISK before getting roflstomped by more experienced players with elite gear).
IMO the maps are too small, and so is the number of players per map.
How can you say the problem is the lack of relevant DUST-EVE interaction and then say it's mostly EVE players that are left? If that is truly the case, I really have no idea if it is, it points to it being an uncompetitive title to everyone but EVE players and increasing the interaction between the games would likely do little to attract outside interest. The majority don't care about such things. They just want to have fun playing a great game, that their friends are also playing. DUST/EVE interaction is mainly important to EVE players, which is exactly the one group CCP said they weren't making the game for. I never got why they decided to make that the major selling point of their game, since it only makes sense if you plan to attract players from your existing player base. I also never understood their fear in cannibalizing their existing player base. Maybe they thought people only play a single game at a time and that a FPS game is in direct competition with EVE which it has nothing in common with.
Anyway, from casual sideline observation I'd say DUST never had much interest among the masses. It is a game developed by a nobody in the FPS arena and the one major talking point was a new technical aspect of the game with it's connection to a game on another platform. A nice technical feat, that 99% of the playing population doesn't really care about when choosing what to play. With EVE players being the exception, so naturally CCP excluded them right from the start as the intended audience. What the rest of the world care about is things that are cool and great gameplay, areas where CCP failed to deliver and only made promises about how they had cool things planned years down the line. What all this sounds to a player like me who has listened to years of marketing speech was: "We know it won't be anything special, but we'll dangle empty promises in front of your faces in the hopes, that you'll stick with it anyway."
Point being if you want the large masses to care about your game you have to have the great game right from the start and as cool and awesome sauce as possible. If there is any problems with DUST, it's not because the interaction between it and EVE is lacking, although it's meaningless. It's that everything else besides that isn't up to par with the competition. CCP didn't gt in to this with the intention to creating the best FPS game people have ever played. The went in intending to creating a typical FPS with a twist. A strategy used by every copycat game developer envious at the income of more successful ones, which almost never produces anything besides lackluster results. As I said I don't know how DUST is doing, but I've never seen any major gaming community show any hyped interest towards DUST and just looking what CCP delivered was meh, so it certainly isn't a surprise it isn't a huge hit. |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:10:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:I really hate these 'dust has failed' post because I spent so much of my time and real money on something that is crap. These posts only make me feel worse that I wasted all that yet they are true.
Here I fixed that for you no charge
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RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:11:00 -
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Where is the PVE in dust btw? Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Vayn Dravix
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.12 06:09:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Where is the PVE in dust btw? Doesn't exist. |
Marth Young
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.12 06:09:00 -
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Vayn Dravix wrote:RomeStar wrote:Where is the PVE in dust btw? Doesn't exist.
CCP has stated that it is ready but not perfected yet. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.03.12 13:09:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:If you are making points about the game itself, that its unplayable in longer run and you have to move to other game to have fun, and when you don't want to come back to DUST, than it failed, and even placing it on other platforms will not help. It could be tried by more people, but in longer run it will fail like on PS3, as you say.
Except that wasnt what he said at all, what he said was that yes he might put down DUST for a while and go play something else but that DUST is a game he can always come back to because
A) Its free and B)CCP has reliably demonstrated they can maintain a patch cycle - regardless of your opinion of the actual content - so the game will continue to develop even if he isnt playing it. Eventually it will reach the point where he feels like playing it again and the cycle restarts.
Its not even a new thing, Ive done the same thing myself with games like the first Guild Wars and Defiance. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
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Scrimtar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:49:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:PS3 isn't "failing". CCP will more than likely push to a PS4 release, and will not do a PC release, because it makes no sense to make a PC release.
Titanfall gameplay is cool and stuff, but it's nothing like DUST at all, and most of it wouldn't be relevant to DUST.
CCP has allready confirmed a pc release for this as there was a great demand for a pc version. |
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Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:14:00 -
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Scrimtar wrote:Crasniya wrote:PS3 isn't "failing". CCP will more than likely push to a PS4 release, and will not do a PC release, because it makes no sense to make a PC release.
Titanfall gameplay is cool and stuff, but it's nothing like DUST at all, and most of it wouldn't be relevant to DUST. CCP has allready confirmed a pc release for this as there was a great demand for a pc version.
Nope. Last info is from vegas I think and they basically said: No PC version. |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:53:00 -
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Scrimtar wrote:CCP has allready confirmed a pc release for this as there was a great demand for a pc version.
Not sure where you're pulling this stuff out of. Your rear is not a reliable source of information. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.03.17 17:45:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:I think once ps3 fails and dust finally comes to PC we should look into adding the gameplay styles from 2142 we all enjoy, such as titan CQB battles, and Mech Warrior combat.
Keep waiting. Odds of it going to the PS4 or XBone are higher than going to the PC. When have you ever heard of 2 similar games from the same company compete with each other?
The whole idea of coming out with Dust is to get people to play Eve and not the other way round. You think the people that play both Eve and Dust will buy another high end PC just so that they can play it together at the same time? |
Isara Shiraishi
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:19:00 -
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I do not think that Dust 514 is a game designed for the computer gaming audience, because there would be two main contradictions I can think of (a) EVE Online is their main franchise of the same universe that resides on the computer (b) The game's overall feeling is one that a console FPS must have, and not a PC game.
If they wanted to release Dust 514 that badly on the computer platform then they would have to basically do a heart-transplant of the game's UI and replace it with something more PC-friendly that would appeal to the audience that has a certain expectation as assumptions that are made are probably based on the experience of EVE Online.
On the other hand, if players do expect a console-like experience on the computer then let me ask you a question; What's the point-- Wouldn't you rather have an experience tailored better for your preferred platform instead of a port from a console? |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
War Toys Inc
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Posted - 2014.03.18 11:22:00 -
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Well, I practically almost typed up a very long response to the OP. However, half way through I realised the effort really isn't worth it.
In short, many of you here are very ignorant. Does anyone here remember how unpolished Eve Online was? There were many other "better" and more "exciting" MMOs out during that time. However, over time Eve Online has turned into quiet the decent game.
I would consider myself as a "hardcore" FPS player. Without writing a long story, I'll keep it short........
Many of you wouldn't even know a good FPS game if it hit you in the face.
Be patient with Dust.
Dust doesn't have a massive team of developers such as Blizzard and EA. I might add, this is a good thing....
EDIT: Comparing Dust to Titanfail is just pathetic. Unless CCP decides to cease working on Dust I would bet all my career Eve Online ISKIES Dust will outlast Titanfall. Longevity is an aspect that lacks in many FPS games these days.... |
Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.18 14:20:00 -
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Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:Knights Armament wrote:I think once ps3 fails and dust finally comes to PC we should look into adding the gameplay styles from 2142 we all enjoy, such as titan CQB battles, and Mech Warrior combat. Keep waiting. Odds of it going to the PS4 or XBone are higher than going to the PC. When have you ever heard of 2 similar games from the same company compete with each other? The whole idea of coming out with Dust is to get people to play Eve and not the other way round. You think the people that play both Eve and Dust will buy another high end PC just so that they can play it together at the same time?
They tried to get Dust on the 360 too, but Microsoft doesn't let them use Tranquility. So you probably won't see it on the Xbox 720. |
Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.18 14:30:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:EDIT: Comparing Dust to Titanfail is just pathetic. Unless CCP decides to cease working on Dust I would bet all my career Eve Online ISKIES Dust will outlast Titanfall. Longevity is an aspect that lacks in many FPS games these days....
I agree. I play Titanfall. I like it. But I already feel the grind. Having to complete Challenges to get to Generation 3. The game was fun but, it gets boring pretty fast. I have no goal to achieve anymore besides doing stupid challenges with weapons I don't want to use. I won't get anything new anymore. It's still fun to play with friends every now and then or when I want to jump into some action very quick but besides that: I don't see me playing Titanfall in 10 months from now (besides checking out the DLC content. I have the season pass after all).
Dust on the other hand: My character is 10 months old. And I always have the urge to get more SP to max out more skills. Character progression. The handful of unlocks you can get in Titanfall in a matter of a day are just boring compared to this.
Second thing are the fittings: So much stuff. So many things to try out. Does this suit work better with a RR or a CR? Should I use Damage Enhancers or more Shield mods? And so on and so on.
And due to Dust being part of Eve FW I can also always try to conquer some districts (something every shooter should have if you ask me: Some kind of World Domination mode).
This stuff keeps me going back to Dust over and over again. I don't care about the problems the game has. Because I also know the game is still being developed and I will always see new content. This is really something most people don't appreciate enough. They just flame on and on about how this doesn't work, that doesn't work and this is **** and so on, but don't see the good parts anymore.
Titanfall? The game I have today is the same game I'll have tomorrow. |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
War Toys Inc
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Posted - 2014.03.19 04:42:00 -
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Satoshi Kaname wrote:Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:EDIT: Comparing Dust to Titanfail is just pathetic. Unless CCP decides to cease working on Dust I would bet all my career Eve Online ISKIES Dust will outlast Titanfall. Longevity is an aspect that lacks in many FPS games these days.... Titanfall? The game I have today is the same game I'll have tomorrow.
That one line basically sums it all up. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Also, this not only applies with Titanfall, but also most of the current FPS titles we see today.
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Knights Armament
TDSIN Application Sent
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:07:00 -
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Dust 514 was designed using a PC, all console games are designed on a pc, then ported to console. All games designed for console must run on PC hardware first.
Kappa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:30:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Dust 514 was designed using a PC, all console games are designed on a pc, then ported to console. All games designed for console must run on PC hardware first.
Designed with =/= Runs on |
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Kelur Hunter
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.04.26 09:34:00 -
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When it comes to Dust 514 the number one cool thing about it is that it's free! Dust 514 can evolve and change and it will only get better and better. I think we all know the potential Dust has and I'm excited for it's future. Games such as Titan fall and battlefield are pretty good however, those games can't evolve like dust and will never even reach what Dust 514 will become in the future. Hopefully CCP keeps giving additional content to keep it's players interested and also attract new players so they can stay long enough for something amazing that is worth the wait. :] Did I mention it's free to play? |
Kelur Hunter
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.04.26 09:38:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Dust 514 was designed using a PC, all console games are designed on a pc, then ported to console. All games designed for console must run on PC hardware first.
Kappa
I feel Dust 514 should remain on ps3 and I understand that a lot of pc players do not want to buy a ps3 to play dust 514 however I look at games like Final Fantasy a Realm Reborn and it's crossed platform with pc and playstation. Maybe that's a topic you might wanna strike up on the forums and you might get some positive attention instead of saying it should be on pc it should pc or saying comments that's basically saying it should be on pc. |
Kamii Yo
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2014.04.26 14:22:00 -
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http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
This is how you gauge failure. Truly pathetic numbers.
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Kamii Yo
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.26 14:29:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:Well, I practically almost typed up a very long response to the OP. However, half way through I realised the effort really isn't worth it.
In short, many of you here are very ignorant. Does anyone here remember how unpolished Eve Online was? There were many other "better" and more "exciting" MMOs out during that time. However, over time Eve Online has turned into quiet the decent game.
I would consider myself as a "hardcore" FPS player. Without writing a long story, I'll keep it short........
Many of you wouldn't even know a good FPS game if it hit you in the face.
Be patient with Dust.
Dust doesn't have a massive team of developers such as Blizzard and EA. I might add, this is a good thing....
EDIT: Comparing Dust to Titanfail is just pathetic. Unless CCP decides to cease working on Dust I would bet all my career Eve Online ISKIES Dust will outlast Titanfall. Longevity is an aspect that lacks in many FPS games these days....
I would just like to address this point ...
When Eve first began it was right at the start of when the online/MMO/multiplayer experience was taking off. It made sense back then to have an unpolished game that grew over time. Eve Online wasn't the only MMO of that generation that grew every year...many others...and credit to CCP they did it right.
Comparing the start of Dust and Eve is like comparing apples and oranges. You just can't - apart from being created in totally different periods of gaming, they are two completely different genres. The FPS genre is far more fast paced...there is high expectation and lots of competition. The USP's in a FPS are limited...they are all basically the same thing. This is why the first reviews, the first few weeks of an FPS are extremely important...they literary determine the life and course of that FPS.
Its sad to see CCP mess up so much...I don't see much hope for Dust. If they are hoping for the same sort of growth that Eve Online experienced they are in for quite the shock. |
Arkenai Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:51:00 -
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Kamii Yo wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
This is how you gauge failure. Truly pathetic numbers.
Edit: And rightly so...Dust feels like such an outdated FPS...so disappointing.
By this argument, EVE failed every day in its early years. Someone. |
Spr09
Gold Trimmed Stars
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Posted - 2014.05.01 23:47:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:I really hate these 'dust has failed' post. How do you gage failure? And do you work for ccp and have access to the numbers or money people are spending in dust? No? then you dunno.
"Oh dust numbers are low compared to game x" yes but even if dust has 1000 players total, if all of them are forking out $100 a month, that's 100k a month, or 1.2m a year. So it honestly doesn't matter. Dust fails when ccp says it fails, if you think dust sucks then don't play it maybe?
You're not helping, having people leave just means less revenue from people buying anything.
And you can't tell if a game's failed just by if a company says it failed. Unless they openly cancel the game-which will never happen, the game's already released-any saying that they game's bad by the company that developed it is throwing all PR and credibility out the window. The community decides if it's failed, and quite frankly, it has. It can't compete with EVE's numbers, and unless those 1000 players can match 60000 players logged in at one time having active monthly subscriptions, it's not going to ever be worth as much time and resources as EVE will be.
And who would ever pay $100/month consistently on a free to play game? They could get those numbers in EVE subscriptions, but they're can't get 1.2mil$/year from 1000 players. |
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:36:00 -
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Well I am happy the devs at CCP read my post, I am looking forward to project legion as are all of my non-eve playing friends who love battlefield. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:59:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Knights Armament wrote:No I am basing it off the fact its console only, and EvE is a PC game. Way to alienate your entire fan base by trying to force us to adopt outdated hardware that comes from a company that I don't wish to support financially with my money. Consoles divide gamers with exclusives and bribery to attract companies to make games for them forcing all of us to suffer with badly programmed games for outdated hardware.
Choosing to support console makers and the devs who undermine the true PC master race is something any PC gamer should not be apart of, and console gamers need to be shunned.
So you are basing this off a year old review? what?
so you are a "I have never played it, but it must suck cause its not on pc" kind... ok noted, opinion now invalid and ignored.[/quote]
I guess it wasn't ignored
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
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