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Jasra Tarik
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Posted - 2006.04.14 00:57:00 -
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Couldn't figure out where else to ask this so I figured this area would work.
Is the average person or even above average person (ie. corporate big wigs, Amarr Imperial families, archaeologists) aware of Earth as where they originally have come from? I've seen people quote "ancient Earth authors" or "ancient Earth musicians" and have always wondered if such was actually true to EVE lore. For me I've always thought of the idea of Earth to an EVE Pilot in an IC environment to be a complete myth (ie. How we view Valhala or Olypmus or any other of our mythical locations), so while it would be possibly known of by the more educated actually knowing anything about it wouldn't be likely and quoting people from it would just be insane.
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Snake Tanuki
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Posted - 2006.04.14 01:21:00 -
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Well, in Reallife[tm] today we have texts, art pieces, relicts etc. as old as 3000 years and more, so even if Earth is just a myth of times long gone, there could still be a lot of records around of old ages (and the possibilites of recording history getting better all the time).
So if you can quote Caesar today, I think nothing speaks against quoting earth-stuff in eve. And pod-pilots are rather well educated.
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Arath Veduran
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Posted - 2006.04.14 01:37:00 -
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Actually, a lot of information stored today won't last like the stuff of Rome's time. We've taken to storing info on hard drives, cds, tapes, cheap paper, poorly bound books, etc. No papyrus, no stone tablets, no leather-bound books, the list goes on. CDs, for example, last maybe 10-15 years, certainly not hundreds or thousands. Not to mention the fact that someone 5000 years in the future would need a cd drive to read it, instead of something as simple as their eyes. Think of it this way: if the ancient Sumerians had used hard drives instead of cuneiform, we'd know absolutely nothing about them.
There's some people actually working on this, and one of the ideas thrown about is to use very very small text inscribed on a long-lasting surface. Could age very well and be easily readable with simple microscope technology.
Based on Eve lore though, I'd say quotes from "ancient Earth ____" would be somewhat possible, though not in much detail, maybe even taking the role of proverbs. Two traders are sitting in a bar, strike up a conversation, and one says, "and remember the ancient earth adage, there's a sucker born every minute." So the words might get passed through oral histroy, but I bet the original speaker would be forgotten.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.04.14 01:50:00 -
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Consider what little we know about mankind 30,000 years ago.
Now imagine what people will know of Earth 30,000 years from now.
I imagine that Earth would be like Atlantis is to us - lots of people have heard of it, some believe and some don't... but all in all it's a fable to the citizens of Eve.
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Gadfly Hawke
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Posted - 2006.04.14 03:59:00 -
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Every people has a creation myth of some kind. No doubt the people of EVE have a creation myth that involves Earth, a place of eternal sunshine, flowing cold streams, oceans full of fish, forests full of game, happy children laughing, and on and on. There are quotes from Earth, some that were actually spoken and have been passed down through oral history, and some that are made up to suit the purposes of the moment.
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Jillius
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Posted - 2006.04.14 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jillius on 14/04/2006 06:07:22
People expended to other planets was because of crouding on Earth. So i dont think Earth was a fun place to live.
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Varis
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Posted - 2006.04.14 06:43:00 -
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According to the backstory etc... the closest that the people of Eve have to a creation myth is the Eve gate. There are some who believe that "God" is on the other side, and that all humanity came from that gate.
Others think there was a civilisation on the other side, and rumours call it "earth".
it really is the "atlantis" myth of Eve.
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mjolnir feaw
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Posted - 2006.04.14 12:46:00 -
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Except the very existence of Eve Gate is known...
By the way, I wondered where the Gate actually is in the game? Under which race jurisdiction? One would expect the empire where the gate to take advantage of its position "We are the closest to God/Earth" ... That would make sense if it were in amarr territory, I suppose.
Besides, there's the Macaper Prophecy...
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PhoenixAscendancy
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Posted - 2006.04.14 13:13:00 -
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Eve gate is out in lowish sec, go check it out
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Jasra Tarik
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Posted - 2006.04.14 14:17:00 -
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Yeah, the mythic Atlantis scenario is more or less how I've been RPing the situation involving earth. I've seen a couple people in RP who have IC quoted Earth musicians and authors even giving names and I've visibly cringed each time and just held my breath...which is why I was hoping for a CCP answer as well to this.
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Gadfly Hawke
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Posted - 2006.04.14 14:25:00 -
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Another possibly interesting aspect is, what of Earth now? We can assume that progress continued on Earth, and Earth people are flying around the universe. Is there a potential for Earth people to encounter EVE people? What would they say? Something like, "Gee, you look enough like me to be related."? Would there be an automatic war of genocide, to eliminate the threat from these people who look sort of like us but not exactly? And such stuff as that.
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Joruk Korlath
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Posted - 2006.04.14 17:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Gadfly Hawke
Edited by: Gadfly Hawke on 14/04/2006 14:34:50
Another possibly interesting aspect is, what of Earth now? We can assume that progress continued on Earth, and Earth people are flying around the universe, possibly wondering what happened to those original colonists. Is there a potential for Earth people to encounter EVE people? What would they say? Something like, "Gee, you look enough like me to be related."? Would there be an automatic war of genocide, to eliminate the threat from these people who look sort of like us but not exactly? And such stuff as that.
I'll tell you what, if anyone ever figures out a way to reopen the EVE gate and send an exploration team through, I want in! :D
Wouldn't thatbe a cool idea for a [far] future expansion?
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.04.14 17:59:00 -
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AFAIK the backstory hints that we know that originally we all came from a single place, beyond the other side of the Eve-Gate in New Eden, but there are no records, or information dating to before the collapse of the Eve-Gate.
It's mainly all just superstition and old wives tales, from an IC perspective.
The collapse of the Eve-Gate was enough to destroy a whole solar system, and almost wipe out the human race's presence in the star cluster Eve is set in, there were thousands of years of primitive struggle before the civilisations and factions known "today" in Eve came to be.
It's highly doubtful that anything of any relative use in identifying our orgins actually survived.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.04.14 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gadfly Hawke
Edited by: Gadfly Hawke on 14/04/2006 14:34:50
Another possibly interesting aspect is, what of Earth now? We can assume that progress continued on Earth, and Earth people are flying around the universe, possibly wondering what happened to those original colonists. Is there a potential for Earth people to encounter EVE people? What would they say? Something like, "Gee, you look enough like me to be related."? Would there be an automatic war of genocide, to eliminate the threat from these people who look sort of like us but not exactly? And such stuff as that.
Considering the Eve-Gate was found on the edge of our solar system, and looking at the damage it caused on the "New Eden" side of the Eve-Gate, Earth probably didn't even survive the initial collapse of the Eve-Gate, let alone have the chance to keep advancing afterwards.
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Denis Jacquard
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Posted - 2006.04.14 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: mjolnir feaw
By the way, I wondered where the Gate actually is in the game? Under which race jurisdiction? One would expect the empire where the gate to take advantage of its position "We are the closest to God/Earth" ... That would make sense if it were in amarr territory, I suppose.
The Eve Gate is in Amarr space. It's in the New Eden system which is in the Genesis region. Usual lowsec warnings apply...
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.04.16 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Denis Jacquard
Originally by: mjolnir feaw
By the way, I wondered where the Gate actually is in the game? Under which race jurisdiction? One would expect the empire where the gate to take advantage of its position "We are the closest to God/Earth" ... That would make sense if it were in amarr territory, I suppose.
The Eve Gate is in Amarr space. It's in the New Eden system which is in the Genesis region. Usual lowsec warnings apply...
agreed...although I shuttled out there and saw nobody *shrug*
it's nothing special, lots of people bring a can with them to mark "xxx was here"
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Morrigan Starlover
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Posted - 2006.04.16 06:20:00 -
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Opening the eve gate would only work if the other side was full of wars with our forefathers.
The world of EVE is already too big. If we somehow opened it up, then it would need to be increadibly hostile to everyone.
At that point we would stop being amarr, minmatar, gallente, and caldari.
Instead we'd be the peoples of EVE united under CONCORD, fighting against hostiles comming through the gate.
At first we'd be at the disadvantage, and on the defensive. Then as we aquire Tech 3 from stealing their technology, it would become a fair fight, able to send through parties.
Opening EVE gate would be exciting no matter what, but for the health of the game, I think the above is best option.
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Livia Tarquina
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Posted - 2006.04.16 19:06:00 -
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I think Earth might still be around. Its not specified how far out we colonized before we ran out of room. The explosion could have occured at the outer rim of the galaxy. The backstory tells us that scientists are finding old relics but can't glean enough information about the culture that created them. They haven't found a "Rosetta Stone" that ties everything together.
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Sanctus Maleficus
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Posted - 2006.04.17 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Considering the Eve-Gate was found on the edge of our solar system, and looking at the damage it caused on the "New Eden" side of the Eve-Gate, Earth probably didn't even survive the initial collapse of the Eve-Gate, let alone have the chance to keep advancing afterwards.
I was under the assumption that the downfall frmo the eve gate collapsing was due to being unable to import anything from the earth side. I believe it mentions many people dying of starvation, etc, somewhere in the back story. I think the earth side would be largely unaffected.
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Iago Verenus
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:32:00 -
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The Eve colonies were suppose to be in their infancy when the eve gate collapsed, they weren't established enough to support themselves, thus mass startvation and millions dead and essentially a dark age. The New Eden system itself I think was suppose to be totally destroyed, but mankind had already spread out from there, (hence why all the main races are spread out). The main races such as the Amarr didn't even know the other races existed until they reinvented space flight, let alone Earth! But then who knows how much archeologists could discover from the ancient remains of the first colonies?
As for Earth, well that galaxy probably tore itself aparent. Before the eve gate was even discovered the galaxy was in an apocalyptic war for resources, the eve gate had stopped this cos suddenly there was a whole new bunch of planets to get resources from. But I imagine that as soon as the gate collapsed war would have resumed, unless they found a way to get to another galaxy, which is doubtful, cos as I understand it the eve gate is supposes to be a freak natural occurance. With the amount of time that seems to have passed since these events, I wouldn't be supprised if the empires around Earth had fallen and risen again, all Empires fall, and they're probably as clueless about the events surround the eve gate as our PC's are!
Well thats my 2 cents anyway :)
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Kee Greycastle
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Posted - 2006.04.17 19:50:00 -
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[There is an ultimate loophole in EVE called the Jovian Empire. It can be used for any kind of plot twists. For example:]
We as humans like to brag about our accomplishments. When we travel we like to have with us an example of our creative might. Even though humans may have colonized many of the planets close to the gate, they had to have sent out exploration parties to other areas of EVE to "meet the neighbors." This is proven by the ancient jump gates that existed in what were considered uninhabited systems and discovered in the recent EVE timelime. It is safe to assume that there were a small group of explorers deep into EVE when the gate closed. With no way back to Earth they probably set themselves up in a corner of EVE, and created their own civilization. That's why the Jovians know so much. They are probably an example of human evolution if the gate never closed and threw everyone into the dark ages. When the other races were discovered and the Jovians started trading with them the Jovians could have unintentionally passed on these "Earth quotes" to there trading partners. And they of course thought they could prove they were smart by repeating them to anyone that would listen.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.04.18 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Vendrin on 18/04/2006 02:56:28
There is some historical data to support there was an earth, and there is biological proof that all 4 races started as the same race. Most the historical data is among the Amarr and the Jove.
Now, there is no proof whatsoever that earth is on the other side of the EVE Gate.
Also, no computer data, cds or anything like that survived among the 4 races. It might have among the Jove, but if it did they aren't sharing.
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