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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:27:00 -
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Hello all - I have been watching a few Rooks and Kings videos and the term 'Pipebomb' came up several times in several videos. I have a suspicion that it has something to do with smart bombs / bombs from stealth bombers and a warp bubble or HIC deploying a bubble at a warp in point. But I'm not sure.
Would anyone mind explaining for me how this works tactically and specifically? I really just want to understand what is happening on the videos more than anything....but RnK losing a 100 ships to a 'pipebomb' is pretty significant.
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Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:41:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Hello all - I have been watching a few Rooks and Kings videos and the term 'Pipebomb' came up several times in several videos. I have a suspicion that it has something to do with smart bombs / bombs from stealth bombers and a warp bubble or HIC deploying a bubble at a warp in point. But I'm not sure.
Would anyone mind explaining for me how this works tactically and specifically?
Pipebombing is essentially the art of using dictors and bubbles to maneuvere or anticipate a hostile fleet to a single, known, point in space and then using a titan to bridge smartbombing battleships, of an appropriate damage type, onto that point. There's an article here with some more details.
The 'mobile artillery' version uses Black Ops pipebombers and thus the ships can jump themselves, without the titan being required. This has some limitations but they are able to project more easily across long distances.
All kinds of ships have been pipebombed, from frigates to plated battleships, though the latter requires large strikes with 40 or so pipebombers, as we did last winter. Usually the size of the common hunting fleet is tied to the dominant meta of the area (and the kinds of fleets that are easily found there).
Vanity Tian wrote: .but RnK losing a 100 ships to a 'pipebomb' is pretty significant
We're the ones doing the pipebombing in the video. Sometimes there are pipebombings simply for sport, to keep things sharp and to test different methods of reducing problems with module activation, etc. On occasion, there is a conscious effort to suppress an area, cause considerable destruction or fulfill a strategic purpose, where I'd aim to rout several large fleets every few days (hopefully several in a day).
The most common pipebombers these days are the Rokh and the Abaddon. The Typhoon suffered a little for this purpose in the battleship re-balancing. Rooks and Kings Youtube |
Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:44:00 -
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A cyno is lit on the edge of a bubble (either before or after the enemy fleet warp, typically after) such that when warping to the cyno or other on grid object (eg Stargate) the warp will land exactly on the cyno. When a hostile fleet warps to the drag bubble a titan brides several BS equipped with a full rack of smart bombs. As the hostile fleet lands directly on the BS the bombs fire and they mostly die and are podded. Normally rohks (shield) or fleet phoons / baddon (armor) are used.
Variations on the theme include using black ops BS instead of a titan bridge.
Its pretty good vs low HP fleets, requires a certain degree of coordination.
Edit: sniped by lord M, forgot the fleet phoon is significantly worse at firewall now This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2014.02.20 20:14:00 -
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One time bump to fix forum. |
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:37:00 -
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Excellent! Thank you for the information! I would think that anticipating a warp point would be the most difficult thing. I would very much like to be a part of something like that someday. Hopefully on the planning executing side though...not so much on the losing side. :) btw - the 100 ship loss I was referring to was the one where 100 Harpies were taken out.
I want to give a thank you to Rooks and Kings for all the amazing videos.
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GordonO
Shaltanacs
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:58:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Excellent! Thank you for the information! I would think that anticipating a warp point would be the most difficult thing. I would very much like to be a part of something like that someday. Hopefully on the planning executing side though...not so much on the losing side. :) btw - the 100 ship loss I was referring to was the one where 100 Harpies were taken out.
I want to give a thank you to Rooks and Kings for all the amazing videos.
Pretty sure we never lost 100 of them.. I am a proud survivor of that fleet :) But you should also know that that little fleet killed a 100 BC gang only minutes before.... Love you work RnK.. Shaltanacs-á is recruiting.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4133069#post4133069 |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:31:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Pretty sure we never lost 100 of them.. I am a proud survivor of that fleet :) But you should also know that that little fleet killed a 100 BC gang only minutes before.... Love you work RnK.. Including pod express too, wasn't it a couple of hundred in 30 sec (I seem to remember 230 killmails, but maybe I'm thinking of something else). eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.21 13:38:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote: I would think that anticipating a warp point would be the most difficult thing. Not necessarily. If you know where the enemy fleet is headed and they don't scout their warpins on gates you can just throw a drag bubble at their target gate in the line of the one they are coming from and you know exactly where they will land. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:06:00 -
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That looks like fun :) I'm CEO *****.
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Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2014.02.21 22:01:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote: btw - the 100 ship loss I was referring to was the one where 100 Harpies were taken out.
Scipio Artelius wrote: Including pod express too, wasn't it a couple of hundred in 30 sec (I seem to remember 230 killmails, but maybe I'm thinking of something else).
There are lots of pipebombings, though I think the OP is referring to a video from Fountain, where Harpies made up only a small number of the targets/kills (<5%) but did happen to end up in a video.
In the case of Harpies specifically, the last three times I've gone hunting in the past weeks, each time the big fleet I found was a Harpy fleet. One of them survived after the cyno died before we could load grid. However, the other two were destroyed (here and here).
Of course, Harpies are a rather soft target for pipebombing, so we probably wouldn't, for example, hunt a fourth Harpy fleet in a matter of days unless there was some specific reason for it. When it's for sport, variety is the spice of life - HACs, BCs or maybe the tasty logi wing of a very heavy tanked group would be targeted in preference.
Vanity Tian wrote:Excellent! Thank you for the information! I would think that anticipating a warp point would be the most difficult thing. I would very much like to be a part of something like that someday. Hopefully on the planning executing side though...not so much on the losing side. :)
If you're curious, here''s a general gallery (albeit small) of pipebombing shots along with some specific ones from operations like 'Tindermoat'.
As for videos, thanks for the kind words & glad you found it interesting. Hopefully some more on the way soon. Rooks and Kings Youtube |
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Manny Moons
Party Poppers Darwins Lemmings
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:13:00 -
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Lord Maldoror wrote:...The most common pipebombers these days are the Rokh and the Abaddon. The Typhoon suffered a little for this purpose in the battleship re-balancing. Just out of curiosity, why not the Apocalypse? Wouldn't its greater length result in a larger effective area of effect?
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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
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Posted - 2014.02.25 22:03:00 -
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Lord Maldoror wrote:Vanity Tian wrote: btw - the 100 ship loss I was referring to was the one where 100 Harpies were taken out.
Scipio Artelius wrote: Including pod express too, wasn't it a couple of hundred in 30 sec (I seem to remember 230 killmails, but maybe I'm thinking of something else).
There are lots of pipebombings, though I think the OP is referring to a video from Fountain, where Harpies made up only a small number of the targets/kills (<5%) but did happen to end up in a video. In the case of Harpies specifically, the last three times I've gone hunting in the past weeks, each time the big fleet I found was a Harpy fleet. One of them survived after the cyno died before we could jump. However, the other two were destroyed ( here and here). Of course, Harpies are a rather soft target for pipebombing, so we probably wouldn't, for example, hunt a fourth Harpy fleet in a matter of days unless there was some specific reason for it. When it's for sport, variety is the spice of life - HACs, BCs or maybe the tasty logi wing of a very heavy tanked group would be targeted in preference. Vanity Tian wrote:Excellent! Thank you for the information! I would think that anticipating a warp point would be the most difficult thing. I would very much like to be a part of something like that someday. Hopefully on the planning executing side though...not so much on the losing side. :)
If you're curious, here''s a general gallery (albeit small) of pipebombing shots along with some specific ones from operations like 'Tindermoat'. I'll expand those a bit later. As for videos, thanks for the kind words & glad you found it interesting. Hopefully some more on the way soon.
WOW! thank you for the details. But I do have a few questions regarding the implementation of this (I fully understand if OpSec would keep you from giving details - and for that I would understand.) I would like to learn this tactic though.
I would think the Rohk would be amazing as other have said....From what I see the range of a Large Smartbomb of any of the damage types is 5000m. How do you not destroy the smartbombing ships by friendly fire? I would think that you could put resists on aimed specifically against the damage type that you are going to employ, but you wouldn't know what type of smartbomb launcher to fit until you knew the makeup of the enemy fleet. And swapping out last second would seem to be cumbersome at best and fatal at worst.
Do you carry all damage types in your holds and refit on the spot?
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