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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
92
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Posted - 2014.02.24 16:56:00 -
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Shadow Adanza wrote:I don't like that the system rewards cowardice and that I have to spend time chasing stabbed cloaky alt after stabbed cloaky alt out of my home system. I have enough warp core stabs from loot to fit the entire warzone twice over. But it's a system we can't change ourselves, so why complain about it?
Park an alt of your own in the plex. They can't get any LP unless they push them out. If they're stabbed all to heck and back then they're within scram range, which means you can lock them down until your main gets there.
Seems like a pretty simple problem to solve to me. |
Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
169
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:28:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:I don't like that the system rewards cowardice and that I have to spend time chasing stabbed cloaky alt after stabbed cloaky alt out of my home system. I have enough warp core stabs from loot to fit the entire warzone twice over. But it's a system we can't change ourselves, so why complain about it? Park an alt of your own in the plex. They can't get any LP unless they push them out. If they're stabbed all to heck and back then they're within scram range, which means you can lock them down until your main gets there. Seems like a pretty simple problem to solve to me. I have one and do that. Merely saying to Zarnak that I agree the system is broken but don't waste my breath on something that won't be fixed. Are you suggesting coconuts migrate? |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
644
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:08:00 -
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See this quite often around our area (Nisuwa), easy to kill though as said. Warp in , cloak, they decloak, ram, dual scram and boom.
Veskrashen wrote:Garric Shadowbane wrote: What I am talking about is the BOT's... I will have to post a video on how the operate. They are 100% DSCAN oriented. if they see you within range. They will immediately cloak up.
But, all we do is bring an astero into the site and cloak up also... And you know what... They uncloak! What kind of normal player would uncloak after just seeing an astero come in and cloak himself? We then slowboat to it and dual scram them. Now its not just one person, its the 4 constant 2 week old gallente alts hitting my amarr system 23/7. (russian by ship name).
I haven't seen this in our part of the warzone (around the Eha / Vlillirier area), but if that's the case it's rather disturbing indeed. Have you petitioned them for botting? I'm sure that several folks would be interested in any video you could provide.
I'm CEO *****.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
692
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:43:00 -
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David Devant wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:What is really amusing about these threads is that Amarr and Minmatar seem to be getting on the same page that the system is not 'all right.' There are various threads started by either side asking for changes. According to Samurai Pizza Cats, Justified Chaos, and Bad Messenger though everything is hunky dory over on the Gallente/ Caldari war zone. Why is that?
More connections to nullsec spice things up? Larger war zone dilutes the farmers/ Tier swings? maybe we have different goals, i do not care much about fights in EVE, but bring stabbed cloacky frigate to my system and i might accept the challenge. Says it all. I am not interested in cool spaceship battles. However, give me the opportunity to do something mindless and dull for a longer period of time than some other internet auteur and I'm breaking out the Kleenex. Change the record, it's cracked.
Why to fight when guy has farmed tonnes of isk and is prepared to fight ? Better to kill them before they have isk to buy anything !
Also many farmers never use their income in FW fights.
If i want some nice consensual fights i will play something else, it is not the thing in EVE. |
Beardon
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
24
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:43:00 -
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I really don't see why everyone gets their panties in a bunch about farmers. I've been in the cal/gal WZ for a little over a year, and farmers really don't bother me. Chasing them can also be fun sometimes if you're really hurting for a fight, and there's a special feeling of elation catching a farmer off guard. Realistically after a few weeks in a given region any involoved pilot should know the main pipes, and the who's who of the fighting half of the militia (meaning the active corps / alliances on the opposing side). Farmers don't plex these pipes to often because of the high traffic. Fights aren't hard to get if you know where to look, and a quick background check on the pilots in local is sufficient to tell within reason if they'll fight. Got three fed union dudes in some backwater system no one ever goes to? Don't expect action. Zoe Fishpants in Oicx? There's a fight a brewing. If the pilot ends up being a cloaky farmer, whatever, just move along... it's like 30 ******* seconds out of your life.
Some might respond, "But Beardon, they be plexing my system!?" To this I answer, dplex your own damn home if you want to live there. FW isn't just fighting (though most I associate with want it to be), you gotta be willing to hit the grindstone too. If you don't want to deal with farmers plexing your home, go live in highsec, or somewhere equally humiliating . Easy peasy, lemon squeezy. |
Rahelis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
31
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:27:00 -
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FW is broken - by CCP.
It would be wiser for CCP to give new players a bil a month in isk - because FW is on the brink of death. And that would save the farmer players time and bot effort.
Stupid to reward ppl for being in a plex - CCP could change high sec missions this way, no more rat shooting but simply staying in a mission plex. Or create such plexes in null sec - noone cares for null sec. There are hundreds of empty null systems with no activity. Only farmers live in null sec anyway.
We who care for FW have to address CCP to change the god damn FW system.
I would be best to ask someone who really plays the game and not some smartass dev - I often ask myself if the devs ever play their own game.
And it would be best to get all four militas at a round table - these are the guys playing the game and funding it.
If not only unsubbing may change CCPs mind - like the captain quaters stuff did - ppl unsubbed because of the stupidity.
LP and farming do not work together well. LPs should be rewarded for ememy ship kills, fw missions and system flipping.
Like a war.
Farming is for farmers, not fighters.
The amarr-minnie warzone is that boring that our guys activity is dropping - why log on when there is nothing to fight?
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2070
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:12:00 -
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So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2470
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:52:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :)
huola has other problems since it is a very popular lowsec entry system. I avoided it the whole weekend since tidi was at 10% most of the time. (ironically, lulm was on the same node) eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
106
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:57:00 -
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Rahelis wrote:FW is broken - by CCP.
It would be wiser for CCP to give new players a bil a month in isk - because FW is on the brink of death. And that would save the farmer players time and bot effort.
Stupid to reward ppl for being in a plex - CCP could change high sec missions this way, no more rat shooting but simply staying in a mission plex. Or create such plexes in null sec - noone cares for null sec. There are hundreds of empty null systems with no activity. Only farmers live in null sec anyway.
We who care for FW have to address CCP to change the god damn FW system.
I would be best to ask someone who really plays the game and not some smartass dev - I often ask myself if the devs ever play their own game.
And it would be best to get all four militas at a round table - these are the guys playing the game and funding it.
If not only unsubbing may change CCPs mind - like the captain quaters stuff did - ppl unsubbed because of the stupidity.
LP and farming do not work together well. LPs should be rewarded for ememy ship kills, fw missions and system flipping.
Like a war.
Farming is for farmers, not fighters.
The amarr-minnie warzone is that boring that our guys activity is dropping - why log on when there is nothing to fight?
And when dplexing did not involve a reward everyone and their mother cried about it and never did it... |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2070
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Posted - 2014.02.24 23:23:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:X Gallentius wrote:So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :) So you know how, and where to get fights. What's the problem?
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3575
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:03:00 -
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Potential idea: Tier FW payouts based on pilots on grid.
Example: Base payout for a Novice plex. 1 Ship, 500 LP, +/- 5 Victory Points. 2 Ships, 1200 LP, +/- 10 Victory Points. 3 Ships, 2500 LP, +/- 15 Victory Points. 4 Ships, 3600 LP, +/- 20 Victory Points. 5+ Ships, 5000 LP, +/- 25 Victory Points.
A bonus: The LP Payouts for FW ship kills are doubled when destroyed inside the Plex.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2070
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:48:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Potential idea: Tier FW payouts based on pilots on grid.
Example: Base payout for a Novice plex. 1 Ship, 500 LP, +/- 5 Victory Points. 2 Ships, 1200 LP, +/- 10 Victory Points. 3 Ships, 2500 LP, +/- 15 Victory Points. 4 Ships, 3600 LP, +/- 20 Victory Points. 5+ Ships, 5000 LP, +/- 25 Victory Points.
A bonus: The LP Payouts for FW ship kills are doubled when destroyed inside the Plex.
It really comes down to implementing things that adversely affect pvp'ers less than the farmers. Timer Rollbacks/Dual Timers, making rats more difficult, removing ability to fit stabs/cloaks in plexes, yada yada yada.
One solution CCP has given us is the Astero/Stratios, and it's up to us to use it.
Also, the only time where the afk plexing armies did NOT affect FW too adversely was when there were multiple waves of many rats, and we were required to kill them all for the timer to be activated.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
692
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:19:00 -
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you guys do not just get it, CCP pays lp for those guys who are potential targets in fw plexes.
if CCP should nerf something in FW it is FW missions, those are pure farming and do not contribute anything to system occupancy. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
287
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:25:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Potential idea: Tier FW payouts based on pilots on grid.
Example: Base payout for a Novice plex. 1 Ship, 500 LP, +/- 5 Victory Points. 2 Ships, 1200 LP, +/- 10 Victory Points. 3 Ships, 2500 LP, +/- 15 Victory Points. 4 Ships, 3600 LP, +/- 20 Victory Points. 5+ Ships, 5000 LP, +/- 25 Victory Points.
A bonus: The LP Payouts for FW ship kills are doubled when destroyed inside the Plex.
honestly it should just be LP for killing other people. fw should be about the pvp. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
692
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:34:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Potential idea: Tier FW payouts based on pilots on grid.
Example: Base payout for a Novice plex. 1 Ship, 500 LP, +/- 5 Victory Points. 2 Ships, 1200 LP, +/- 10 Victory Points. 3 Ships, 2500 LP, +/- 15 Victory Points. 4 Ships, 3600 LP, +/- 20 Victory Points. 5+ Ships, 5000 LP, +/- 25 Victory Points.
A bonus: The LP Payouts for FW ship kills are doubled when destroyed inside the Plex.
honestly it should just be LP for killing other people. fw should be about the pvp.
you can not force anyone to pvp without good reason. And station lockdown is not enough on long term.
But lp for plexes gives lot of reasons to kill eachothers |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2470
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:43:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bienator II wrote:X Gallentius wrote:So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :) So you know how, and where to get fights. What's the problem? broken plexing mechanics eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2070
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Posted - 2014.02.25 03:51:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Bienator II wrote:X Gallentius wrote:So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :) So you know how, and where to get fights. What's the problem? broken plexing mechanics Rahelis was complaining about lack of fights. |
Colt Blackhawk
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
268
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Posted - 2014.02.25 06:59:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bienator II wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Bienator II wrote:X Gallentius wrote:So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :) So you know how, and where to get fights. What's the problem? broken plexing mechanics Rahelis was complaining about lack of fights.
Let me explain it: There are two systems the minnies are sitting in. Ofc also because minnies never fight without links are they are mostly too lazy to move their links out of system^^ Besides these two systems I am singing "I-¦m blue dababadi da..." because every wt you see is a farmer. So you can go into these 2 systems where you have tidi and massive blob. But that is not fw. That is 0.0 warfare. So fw is totally dead atm in amarr/minmatar wz. Boring like f...
[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks. |
Silverbackyererse
38
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Posted - 2014.02.25 10:51:00 -
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I now have a family of four Fedo's for sale. They are nearly house trained now too. Damn cute lil buggers.
Don't really want to part with them but my resident Exotic Dancer attempted to cross-breed with one of them yesterday and I fear for their safety.
I'll be interviewing interested parties in due course. Cockneys and Glaswegians need not apply. |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
143
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Posted - 2014.02.25 16:42:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Let me explain it: There are two systems the minnies are sitting in. Ofc also because minnies never fight without links are they are mostly too lazy to move their links out of system^^ Besides these two systems I am singing "I-¦m blue dababadi da..." because every wt you see is a farmer. So you can go into these 2 systems where you have tidi and massive blob. But that is not fw. That is 0.0 warfare. So fw is totally dead atm in amarr/minmatar wz. Boring like f...
Everytime i see you enter system, you whine in local, call me a blobtard, accuse me of running links, whine some more, run from every fight and finally you move on. I can only assume you do that exact routine in every system.
Have you ever considered that you might be the bitter one who's wrong here? pew pew |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2070
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Posted - 2014.02.25 16:51:00 -
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Did George Washington complain about lack of fights in South Carolina when the British were holed up in Yorktown?! Did the Russians complain about "no good fights in the Urals" when the Germans retreated to Berlin??!! Did the Federation complain about "no good fights in Hykanima" when we laid seige to Ladistier?!!
NO! Go out there and get that medal you pansies! |
Rahelis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
33
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:45:00 -
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Faction warfare should be a game of actual warfare and not pest control.
Think of world of tanks - before each battle all 30 tanks roll over the battlefield in search of cloaky farming tractors and kills them.
Or war thunder - before you take off you search your barracks for farming dudes and kill them.
Farming is nice - but not on a battlefiield.
The minnie mili is totally inactive - they only farm - I see that there are also tons of amarr farmers and I am not accusing any mili in general.
In fact the pies in fw systems give far better fights than our non existent war targets. And we had some wars against other amarr fw corps that gave better fights than fw.
Pockets is right - the fw missions also need fixes or been removed as a whole - they are inbalanced and useless.
LPs should only be given for ship kills and systems taken.
Like a war. |
David Devant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
147
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:19:00 -
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Rahelis wrote:Faction warfare should be a game of actual warfare and not pest control.
Think of world of tanks - before each battle all 30 tanks roll over the battlefield in search of cloaky farming tractors and kills them.
Or war thunder - before you take off you search your barracks for farming dudes and kill them.
Farming is nice - but not on a battlefiield.
The minnie mili is totally inactive - they only farm - I see that there are also tons of amarr farmers and I am not accusing any mili in general.
In fact the pies in fw systems give far better fights than our non existent war targets. And we had some wars against other amarr fw corps that gave better fights than fw.
Pockets is right - the fw missions also need fixes or been removed as a whole - they are inbalanced and useless.
LPs should only be given for ship kills and systems taken.
Like a war.
There's plenty of us around. We're just not fighting for systems we don't give a **** about. I have 7bil in my wallet and I mostly fly Firetails, so why should I care about warzone control? |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1536
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:27:00 -
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David Devant wrote:
There's plenty of us around. We're just not fighting for systems we don't give a **** about. I have 7bil in my wallet and I mostly fly Firetails, so why should I care about warzone control?
Almity leads nightly roams in the DayZ beta if you want to join in. |
Colt Blackhawk
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
269
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Posted - 2014.02.26 06:30:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Let me explain it: There are two systems the minnies are sitting in. Ofc also because minnies never fight without links are they are mostly too lazy to move their links out of system^^ Besides these two systems I am singing "I-¦m blue dababadi da..." because every wt you see is a farmer. So you can go into these 2 systems where you have tidi and massive blob. But that is not fw. That is 0.0 warfare. So fw is totally dead atm in amarr/minmatar wz. Boring like f...
Everytime i see you enter system, you whine in local, call me a blobtard, accuse me of running links, whine some more, run from every fight and finally you move on. I can only assume you do that exact routine in every system. Have you ever considered that you might be the bitter one who's wrong here?
4 days ago you told me in local: I am alwayssolo. 2 days ago you tried to blob me in 4vs1 after I solod a dessie in a dessie an had half burned modules^^. Yes the pie gave me a good fight. The minnies wouldn-¦t give it. They directly came in numbers of 4^^ BTW: You and your alt is NOT solo.
[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
107
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Posted - 2014.02.26 12:24:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Potential idea: Tier FW payouts based on pilots on grid.
Example: Base payout for a Novice plex. 1 Ship, 500 LP, +/- 5 Victory Points. 2 Ships, 1200 LP, +/- 10 Victory Points. 3 Ships, 2500 LP, +/- 15 Victory Points. 4 Ships, 3600 LP, +/- 20 Victory Points. 5+ Ships, 5000 LP, +/- 25 Victory Points.
A bonus: The LP Payouts for FW ship kills are doubled when destroyed inside the Plex.
Please do this. The 100 ship cloaking fleet will utterly break FW. Alternatively the destruction of a hojillion rookie ships with cheap t1 mods fitted to them will be used to infinitely earn money. |
Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
50
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Posted - 2014.02.26 12:58:00 -
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I have an alt to farm LP as well but I combine it with <--- this main char to get some PVP out of it.
The sad thing is that you find botters everywhere.
from LVL4 missions to mining over FW and null sec ratting. There is not really any other thing you can do other than reporting them as potential botters and let have ccp handle it. (hopefully) |
Professor Kent
Angry Mustellid
5
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Posted - 2014.02.26 14:52:00 -
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I can see only few things which can be done to solve problem with farming (remember, It's only my point of view - viewer discretion is advised):
1) Timer reseats - when you go out of range of the timer, cloak, warp off, WHATEVER - the timer resets to default time. 2) If acceleration gates can limit SOME ships from going in, why they can't limit usage of modules? Let every acceleration gate on novice/small/med/large plexes deny entrance for every ship with CLOAKS and STABS. No, I don't want to delete these modules or to change them in ANY way, I want farmers to be forced to take much GREATER risk for that reward, PERIOD.
I believe that 2 things mentioned above would solve the problem. Dedicated farmers will farm of course, but we pvpers will be able to kill them if they try too hard. |
Colt Blackhawk
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
269
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Posted - 2014.02.26 14:54:00 -
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Professor Kent wrote:I can see only few things which can be done to solve problem with farming (remember, It's only my point of view - viewer discretion is advised):
1) Timer reseats - when you go out of range of the timer, cloak, warp off, WHATEVER - the timer resets to default time. 2) If acceleration gates can limit SOME ships from going in, why they can't limit usage of modules? Let every acceleration gate on novice/small/med/large plexes deny entrance for every ship with CLOAKS and STABS. No, I don't want to delete these modules or to change them in ANY way, I want farmers to be forced to take much GREATER risk for that reward, PERIOD.
I believe that 2 things mentioned above would solve the problem. Dedicated farmers will farm of course, but we pvpers will be able to kill them if they try too hard.
+1 [09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks. |
Rahelis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
33
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Posted - 2014.02.26 14:56:00 -
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When bots play eve and players are bored - - - then I as a dev would pay attention and not think about deployable kitchen sinks, but game mechanics.
FW has to be war - or it is not worth playing it.
Farming belongs ot null sec where all the farmers live.
Having 7 bill - small change - who cares for that?
When I log in I want to fight for my faction and corp and not count my isk.
When farming in bots is the ultimate goal in eve - then eve is not worth playing it.
I do not accuse you farming players - you would bend every game just to feel comforable with the "wealth" you have accumulated, because you do not understand the game. The problem is game mechanics that lets you act this foolish in the first place.
If there is no reward in fighting for your faction, and you do not care for your faction - why be part of a faction milita?
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