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Touk
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hugo Kaviene Edited by: Hugo Kaviene on 18/04/2006 04:18:13 OOC:
I am going to speak out here.
I DON'T NEED TO HEAR YOUR SMACK HERE.
Why is that when V posts their contact info in in-character galnet that no one smacks?
And why on Earth it is suddenly acceptable that CHIMP and V start hijacking the thread?
I am really getting sick and tired of smart-ass comments that spills even over to simple "RA is multi-lingual alliance" postings.
Even when the general information about RA has been NOTHING if not factual. In fact, I even didn't put any comments about how and why the war began. WHY is there a constant barrage of smack about how "oh you don't have any regions" and such?
And Touk, I am especially surprised at your less than civil display of "And the point is?" comment. Even when everyone at CWRA still doesn't smack at your posts even in the other Corporations and Alliances forum.
You don't like RA, FINE, don't come to a simple diplomatic contact postings and blab about your uberness.
edit: spellings and such
erm.....i never said i was uber.....i never intended to say i was uber...im not uber....in fact this is the first time iver ever used the word 'uber' in any sentence, thread or in anyway.
Anyway....i apoligise Hugo....if i could find the edit button on my post i would remove it. Iwas under the influence of beer and other substances and should never have let my intoxicated brain get the better of me.
Im ashamed that i dislike pointless posts and have some how become apart of that through my own stupidty.
So please consider this an official apology from me to CWRA.
Ya know i love you guys :D
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Exaali Vendraxxil
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Touk Ya know i love you guys :D
You should come back Touk, you'll have more targets.
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Jago Kain
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Posted - 2006.04.18 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jago Kain on 18/04/2006 21:52:11 Edited by: Jago Kain on 18/04/2006 21:33:11
Originally by: Hugo Kaviene Edited by: Hugo Kaviene on 18/04/2006 04:18:13 Why is that when V posts their contact info in in-character galnet that no one smacks?
And why on Earth it is suddenly acceptable that CHIMP and V start hijacking the thread?
If you post a puff-piece about RA on Alliances Summit, rather than in recruitment where it might be more at home, you have to expect that people are going to have a go at you.
Couple of questions Hugo: Are you really that bothered? I can't see that your enemies trolling your thread is going to alter anyone's opinion of either RA or them. Also, did you honestly expect V and CHIMP to leave the thread alone after your members have been just as guilty of forum sniping in recent weeks?
If you can't stand the heat, don't post flame-bait on the forums.
Notice the complete lack of references to popular RA related jibes here; I'm not flaming, just expressing an opinion.
Incidentally, I know it's not a popular opinion and I am risking being labelled a carebear, but the real heroes of any Alliance may well be those supplying the minerals and labour to build the infrastructure of your area. Any alliance without proper logistics support will run out of steam very quickly indeed. Fighting is not the be all and end all and they also serve who sit and mine.
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Hugo Kaviene
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Posted - 2006.04.19 04:23:00 -
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I will reply in the same spirit and not be confrontational about it.
"post a puff-piece about RA" 1. History of Red Alliance is a history of heroic resistance and struggle. True. Everyone can agree, though heroic may be debatable possibly but mild in comparison.
2. RA was formed in the aftermath of Curse Alliance's demise. True
3. Since then Red Alliance has fought many regional neighbors. True
4. Through all, the real heroes of Red Alliance, the fighting men and women in pod-fitted ships, perservered. Perservered.
5. Their contribution to the preservation of values and culture of cooperation that exists within the alliance is immense. True. Their contribution, such as when Goonies stayed up 2 days for an op, is examplary.
"Also, did you honestly expect V and CHIMP to leave the thread alone..." Yes. I did, but not because I felt that I have some special previlege or anything. If anything was false in your eyes, I encourage that you call me on it.
"...after your members have been just as guilty of forum sniping in recent weeks?" Not V or CHIMP's thread in IC forum in here.
"If you can't stand the heat, don't post flame-bait on the forums." How was this topic a flame bait? Have I: 1. Insulted CHIMP, V, LV, KOS? 2. Insulted eve populace in general? 3. Posted outrageous accusations? 4. Have been personal in the original post directing it to individuals? 5. Cried foul about in-game mechanics? 6. Boasted over kills?
Last one I agree with. But who says that miners/industrials never ever fighted? ----------------------------
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.19 08:43:00 -
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Hugo, if you do care about your alliance as any good leader, why not you guys just sign a treaty to your current enemies and get permission to stay and prosper in Cache?
Under the surrender terms, you could,
1. Pay a monthly regional rent of billions to allied forces for war damage and campaign bills.
2. Allow allied forces to do contraband checks on Cache choke points.
3. Allow allied forces to do military embargo/sanction on RA military wing so the region can be stable.
4. Allow allied forces to be stationed in Cache to ensure peace and prosperity of RA.
In return, allied forces can help RA to rebuild an empire and have a peaceful Cache.
An example of offical terms of surrender can lead to
a) Everybody wants a peaceful region.
b) Allied forces have a say who RA can NAP and can not NAP with.
c) Giving some % of ISKs per month as a tribute. Does not need billions but maybe 500M and above. This is better to see a good use of ISKs than RA rebuilding 20 Dreads, Motherships or Titans.
d) Allied forces will not seize loot. Just checking what is being moved to Cache. I am sure, nobody wants to see a few Titans growing behind our backyard. Wink
e) RA not dissolving military forces. It is called population control or imposing a quota on military strengths so RA can not organise a suprise attack of 1600 BSes in Cache. Wink
Like I said, I do not think allied forces are bad or evil. I am sure allied forces will help RA to prosper and rebuild if RA help themselves.
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Trembler
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Posted - 2006.04.19 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Hugo, if you do care about your alliance as any good leader, why not you guys just sign a treaty to your current enemies and get permission to stay and prosper in Cache?
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blah-blah snipped.
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Ease up on Vitox.
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Exaali Vendraxxil
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire blah
Didn't you already tell this joke in another thread? Get some new material, and get out of Hugo's thread. PS: shouldn't you be buying more wcs for your ravens?
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HeadHunta II
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hugo Kaviene Edited by: Hugo Kaviene on 18/04/2006 04:18:13 OOC:
I am going to speak out here.
I DON'T NEED TO HEAR YOUR SMACK HERE.
Why is that when V posts their contact info in in-character galnet that no one smacks?
And why on Earth it is suddenly acceptable that CHIMP and V start hijacking the thread?
I am really getting sick and tired of smart-ass comments that spills even over to simple "RA is multi-lingual alliance" postings.
Even when the general information about RA has been NOTHING if not factual. In fact, I even didn't put any comments about how and why the war began. WHY is there a constant barrage of smack about how "oh you don't have any regions" and such?
And Touk, I am especially surprised at your less than civil display of "And the point is?" comment. Even when everyone at CWRA still doesn't smack at your posts even in the other Corporations and Alliances forum.
You don't like RA, FINE, don't come to a simple diplomatic contact postings and blab about your uberness.
edit: spellings and such
My 5 Cents to this reply Hugo:
I saw now real smack from V-Members before your post, so i am wondering why you wrote this reply. And if you just wanted to show the community of eve your new Diplomats, then post the names and thats it. Your post sounded to me like a kind of recruitement post, and if you get comments into that direction this is no wonder. And the point of this post i still dont get, since a info post of your diplomats has been done before.
"-V- Vice President" "-V- Minister of Foreign affairs" "CEO Ascendancy-Inc."
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Pastora
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: HeadHunta II I saw now real smack from V-Members before your post, so i am wondering why you wrote this reply. And if you just wanted to show the community of eve your new Diplomats, then post the names and thats it. Your post sounded to me like a kind of recruitement post, and if you get comments into that direction this is no wonder. And the point of this post i still dont get, since a info post of your diplomats has been done before.
And stop being paranoid. For me, it didn't sound as a recruitment post. Even if it did, what do you complain about? More targets for you to shot! Were you not (I don't mean you personally, but some members of your coallition) whining/crying on the forums that you don't get enough fights? Or are you too afraid there might be too many if we get more members? _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants. |
G'ulSera
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Posted - 2006.04.19 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: HeadHunta II I saw now real smack from V-Members before your post, so i am wondering why you wrote this reply. And if you just wanted to show the community of eve your new Diplomats, then post the names and thats it. Your post sounded to me like a kind of recruitement post, and if you get comments into that direction this is no wonder. And the point of this post i still dont get, since a info post of your diplomats has been done before.
And stop being paranoid. For me, it didn't sound as a recruitment post. Even if it did, what do you complain about? More targets for you to shot! Were you not (I don't mean you personally, but some members of your coallition) whining/crying on the forums that you don't get enough fights? Or are you too afraid there might be too many if we get more members?
It's a recruitment post inside an info post, that's why you get reactions... simple as that... And we don't complain, we just point it out...
Let's just have fun and leave the smack in kindergarten or something. *For Blood and Honour* *The difference between a killer and a soldier is a question of loyalty*
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Corak
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Posted - 2006.04.19 16:01:00 -
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to D75485 Gallente Underworld Zombies yes and this 5 % fight 3 months vs 5 aliances = 4000+ members :)
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Exaali Vendraxxil
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Posted - 2006.04.19 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: G'ulSera It's a recruitment post inside an info post
I didn't read it that way, but whatever. If the forum moderators feel this is a recruitment post they can lock it or move it themselves - i'm pretty sure they don't need your help. Btw if this were a recruitment post, so what? Does that threaten you? I mean, it wouldn't it be just terrible if the numbers in our little conflict were a bit more even?
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G'ulSera
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Posted - 2006.04.19 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil
Originally by: G'ulSera It's a recruitment post inside an info post
I didn't read it that way, but whatever. If the forum moderators feel this is a recruitment post they can lock it or move it themselves - i'm pretty sure they don't need your help. Btw if this were a recruitment post, so what? Does that threaten you? I mean, it wouldn't it be just terrible if the numbers in our little conflict were a bit more even?
I'm just explaining WHY the reaction is that way. Not if YOU do/don't feel the same way.
And like i said, i DON'T care if it's a recruitment post. But this is just discussion for the sake of discussion (don't really like the going round-and-round part)
And we get the "you're big and i'm small, that's not fair"-thingy. That's your fault not ours, so drop it. *For Blood and Honour* *The difference between a killer and a soldier is a question of loyalty*
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Touk
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Posted - 2006.04.19 22:35:00 -
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that part at least is true....
RA have few allies due o thier actions in the past....sure we have more pilots than you....and as you say we are 4 alliances.....you are 1 (maybe).
CHIMP was formed thanks to RA....in responce to your taking over detorid and trying to inforce a tax system upon the residents or just plain kicking them out.
You have alot of enemies due to your own actions...not ours.
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Treebeard dk
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Posted - 2006.04.20 13:43:00 -
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You claim to be fighting from Curse to Cache, hmmm, thats odd, how come your main numbers are in Rens and surroundings + hanging around in Egbinger and the pipe down to E02? I know you have an empire war with V atm so that explains the GW part and partly Rens but not quite....and a gang of 20-40 every now and 2nd day does not count as "fighting from Curse to Cache" if you ask me.
But maybe I am just not sane (which also explains what my friends have been telling me for ages )
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Beyond Horizon
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Posted - 2006.04.20 19:38:00 -
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RA 40 ppl gangs in Rens? Wow, that's something new you came up with - good for you, keep telling those little fairy tails of yours.
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Treebeard dk
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Beyond Horizon RA 40 ppl gangs in Rens? Wow, that's something new you came up with - good for you, keep telling those little fairy tails of yours.
Keep teeling yourself just that m8, when you are done with that, please read my post again and let me know when I said 40 ppl gangs in Rens, after that, wake up and run away from your comp please.
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Trembler
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Posted - 2006.04.21 01:44:00 -
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First of all, I would like to point out that all our enemies suck! (of course ;)
Chimps got what they earned.
And now, stop hijackin Hugo's topic plz, fight us in-game instead.
Thank you all (enemies). You are all lovely, although you do not all drop T2 loot :(
Bye!
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Lord Wimbishi
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Posted - 2006.04.21 07:49:00 -
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Well Hugo was posting out of honor and loyalty to his alliance and didn't start it as smack.
As any respect his attempts should be honored and himself respected. I just wish RA had more such individuals higher up in the RA leadership in trying to provide a positive example. But I fear it is to late as the Red Alliance is/has fallen from grace and any attempt to reasablish it's honor will be largely wasted because so many voice a a negative weight against it.
If RA is REALLY trying to reorganize its leadership I advise you open your arms to help write up a document and presentation to show just that without arrogance, pride or resentment to show a true professionalism that people will respect. Doing so will AT LEAST try to show a change of RA's diplomacy skills with a hope of changing itself and its stance towards its neighbors. But still I fear it is coming at a time to late to really save what is largely seen as a dishonorable alliance.
I don't blame the pilots in RA largely for the failures of the RA community.
I do blame the individuals the lead with more arrogance then a righteous leader should have since most of the past actions speak for RA's diplomatic attitude towards others. It just isn't tolerate and like everything in the game and world at large. things must adapt and change to be current with the present times and not so clinging to the past for strength and pride. If PA could do this RA can to.
It only takes single strong leader to make it happen. One that all can look up to and depend on to make wise direct decisions for the benefit of all the members in your alliance and corporate community? It is a heavy burden to be the figurehead and reconised leader of an alliance or even just a key leader of an alliance. You must stand for something of strong moral unselfish value to serve the people you respresent.
Are you such a leader Hugo?
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Exaali Vendraxxil
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Posted - 2006.04.21 12:41:00 -
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Last post. Getting sick of these forums (and this game, tbh).
I find it hilarious and ironic that a bunch of so-called "pvp alliances" are giving RA a hard time about being "undiplomatic" and not being nice to its neighbors.
Until recently, I don't even know if we had any "diplomats" in the alliance.
Of course the smack in the forums is that RA are just miners/npcers/complex*****s/etc. Right. That's what we are, meanwhile the rest of you are all happily NAP'd with each other and singing kumbayah together. And when you state one of your goals as being a "stable south", its basically code for "No more mean RA people preventing us from carebearing it up in peace." If thats not what it means, then what exactly does it mean?
"Don't need Diplomats. f1,f2,f3.."
kthxbuhbye
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Treebeard dk
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Posted - 2006.04.21 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Treebeard dk on 21/04/2006 13:26:15
Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil And when you state one of your goals as being a "stable south", its basically code for "No more mean RA people preventing us from carebearing it up in peace." If thats not what it means, then what exactly does it mean?
"Don't need Diplomats. f1,f2,f3.."
kthxbuhbye
I can answer that one I believe. RA will, by no means negotiate with anyone that have enither made a mistake (in their eyes) or have friends that RA dont like so basicly it means that RA aint open to changes or to reach a hand out to create the peace that 3, maybe even all 4 alliances you are currently fighting, offered you along the road. SO you are trying to mine in peace while not wanting to offer any relations with our neighbours whatsoever, all because those alliances wont turn around and shoot at eachother as RA demands in return for peace.
Suck up some of the pride of yours and the south would be a happy place for everyone living there.
That answer enough?
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.04.21 14:51:00 -
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Altz left RA.
Now RA has 1 last corp that gets some respect. XIII. Without them and without your small POS spammage you die. Natural selection will make you die RA.
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Beyond Horizon
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Posted - 2006.04.21 14:58:00 -
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That is a brave post for such an arrogant man.
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Jago Kain
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Posted - 2006.04.21 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil Last post. Getting sick of these forums (and this game, tbh).
There is a simple solution; I should imagine you can figure it out for yourself. Whatever happens, it's a big universe and you won't be missed. Can I have your stuff btw?
If the forums bother you so much, why do you keep posting on them? I've seen your ill-informed comments and smackky lies in a lot of threads recently and I find them tiresome.
Please note, I have no problem with the rest of RA, other than the obvious one that our alliances are crossing swords, I just get sick of this muppet popping up in every thread with his flame-bait.
If you fought half as hard in game as you do on forums, maybe you'd still have a region. It's over Ex, let it go and you'll feel a whole lot better.
BTW I hear WoW are looking for "a few good men". Lots of potential for griefing and ninja looting; might be more up your street. Come back to us when you tire of all the 12 yr old Elf Ladyboys. Or not. Whatever.
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Derrios
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Posted - 2006.04.21 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Derrios on 21/04/2006 19:23:23 Edited by: Derrios on 21/04/2006 19:23:10 n/t misspost
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Beyond Horizon
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Posted - 2006.04.21 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil Last post. Getting sick of these forums (and this game, tbh).
If you fought half as hard in game as you do on forums, maybe you'd still have a region. It's over Ex, let it go and you'll feel a whole lot better.
But hey... we actually do have a region :)
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Majikthize Vitesse
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Posted - 2006.04.22 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil Last post. Getting sick of these forums (and this game, tbh).
If you fought half as hard in game as you do on forums, maybe you'd still have a region. It's over Ex, let it go and you'll feel a whole lot better.
But hey... we actually do have a region :)
Don't want to fight smack with smack, but i can't help it...
Everyshore?
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Fojar
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Posted - 2006.04.22 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Majikthize Vitesse
Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil Last post. Getting sick of these forums (and this game, tbh).
If you fought half as hard in game as you do on forums, maybe you'd still have a region. It's over Ex, let it go and you'll feel a whole lot better.
But hey... we actually do have a region :)
Don't want to fight smack with smack, but i can't help it...
Everyshore?
It's quite blatently Heimatar Don't speak Russian.....F1, F2, F3, F4, F5 etc. |
Nork
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Posted - 2006.04.22 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tassi Altz left RA.
Now RA has 1 last corp that gets some respect. XIII. Without them and without your small POS spammage you die. Natural selection will make you die RA.
Correction: Section XIII left RA. Seems only the carebears and alts are left now.
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.04.22 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nork
Correction: Section XIII left RA. Seems only the carebears and alts are left now.
I need to correct myself than. RA is dead. No respect left.
Go and mine veld in rens.
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