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Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Your desperate attempts to defeat my argument has lowered you to a point where you're willing to use poker as justification for stealing from people. Nope. Quote:In poker, the rules are: If you win, you take the money. To play, you must wager money of your own. Therefore, a personal investment constitutes a barrier that "should" motivate a player to aspire to "win", which is have the higher cards given to them through chance. There are plenty more rules than that, involving how much you can bet and when, how to get hold of various hands and how much your they are worth, how you are allowed to turn that hand into a win. These rules allow for some truly dickish behaviour towards your fellow players that still let you derive enjoyment at their expense without disqualifying you from the game. What you're allowed to do in the game is very different from what you're allowed to do outside it. Bringing the in-game state out of the game (or vice versa) is generally not seen as healthy. Quote:In EVE, the rules are GǪmuch the same. There are rules involving how much you can bet and when, how you're allowed to get your hands on stuff much it's worth, and how you're you are allowed to turn it all into a win. These rules allow for some truly dickish behaviour towards your fellow players that still let you derive enjoyment at their expense without disqualifying you from the game. What you're allowed to do in the game is very different from what you're allowed to do outside it. Bringing the in-game state out of the game (or vice versa) is generally not seen as healthy. Quote:You're stating because since they have "rules" they're the same? No, I'm stating that because they're both games, they have the same kind of magic circle.
I choose not to play poker.
I'm choosing to play EVE. EvE lets me choose how I want to win. I can play EVE in a way that does not require "dickish" behavior. Because EVE lets me play this way, it gives me the opportunity to apply good and bad reasoning on people who do and do not subscribe to the same belief as me.
Poker it is understood that you're playing right then and there, by everyone involved, to win themselves or have someone they like win, at the expense of everyone else involved. Technically, you could choose to play poker however you wish, but that's not typically how the game is suppose to be played. Technically, I can join a poker game and tape the cards into a crown, put it on my head and stand on the table screaming I'm the poker king until security knocks me to the floor and escorts me out of the building. But that's not how it's "suppose" to be played.
EvE is a game where you can choose to play without wanting to hurt anyone.
EVE offers an incredibly higher amount of choices one can take, with them setting their own win scenarios.
Your poker-eve comparison is weak. Your desire to push such a weak comparison leads me to believe that you're incapable of formulating real arguments, there fore you should ultimately stop trying. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2830
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:46:00 -
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Quote:EvE is a game where you can choose to play without wanting to hurt anyone.
You can choose to fold every hand in poker as well, that doesn't make you a "good" poker player. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:53:00 -
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Victoria Thorne wrote:Mandarine wrote:
Ethics are not bound by context.
You-¦re welcome!
Actually, ethics are completely bound by context. What is considered an ethical action during a war, would not be outside of it. There are many situations where behavior is ethically sanctioned that would not be otherwise.
Child sacrifice is ethical in a child sacrifice ceremony
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:EvE is a game where you can choose to play without wanting to hurt anyone.
You can choose to fold every hand in poker as well, that doesn't make you a "good" poker player.
But the goal of poker is to earn IRL money, and there-¦s a very strict set of rules, you can-¦t do anything you want.
In EvE, it-¦s a mostly rule-less sandbox, you can do anything you want, and there are no goals but those you make up.
In New Eden, you-¦re only bound by your own idiosyncrasies. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19643
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:53:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I choose not to play poker.
I'm choosing to play EVE. EvE lets me choose how I want to win. I can play EVE in a way that does not require "dickish" behavior. Because EVE lets me play this way, it gives me the opportunity to apply good and bad reasoning on people who do and do not subscribe to the same belief as me. GǪand applying bad reasoning (by, for instance, presuming that in-game and out-of-game behaviour is somehow connected) is a form of prejudice.
Quote:Poker it is understood that you're playing right then and there, by everyone involved, to win themselves or have someone they like win, at the expense of everyone else involved. Just like EVE. There are many ways to win and you get to choose your way. However, the rules for what is and what isn't allowed are (or should be) understood by all. Some might not be fully aware of what's allowed, but that's their error and not a reflection on the game or on the other players.
Quote:EvE is a game where you can choose to play without wanting to hurt anyone. GǪand that's nice and all but doesn't have any impact on the morality, ethics, or personality of how others choose to play. If you break the magic circle and try to connect the relationship between your and their in-game decisions, and your and their out-of-game decisions, then the problem is not with them but with you and your inability to separate the two.
The EVE-poker comparison is pretty much rock-solid because we're talking about the exact same units of analysis: a game and its players. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
41
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:57:00 -
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Victoria Thorne wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Victoria Thorne wrote:All this feels somehow familiar... Did I travel back in time?
EVE = game
Action in game does not equal action in real life.
Best of luck to all in this discussion!
The action in real life creates the action in the game. Real life is real life, sitting at a computer or jogging around the block. You're silly! You are making me smile! It's your choice to play, if you disapprove of the rules of the game, then don't play. Simple as that, really. If you don't approve of morally questionable behavior, then don't play games which involve it. It's like getting mad at someone for assassinating someone in Crusader Kings 2... Your moral objection is completely irrelevant in a game which revolves around it as a core principle of gameplay. If you feel that strongly about it, either do something about it in game, or don't play. Forum warrioring certainly won't achieve your goal.
There's no personal investment. Crusader Kings 2, a great game btw, has a definitive beginning and ending. I don't know if you mean multiplayer, if you do kudos to you for getting it to work, but I would assume since being continuously assassinated by 1 guy causing you to lose the game, well whatever. I didn't have to work for anything. Seeing as that game is over, I'll go start another one. CK2 games start and end constantly. EVE carries on indefinitely. Winning in one game and losing in another, ultimately is the same because win or lose the game is over and if you desire to keep playing, another one must be started.
The only real thing I feel strongly about so far on these forums is my opportunity to discuss opinions with others. If someone wishes to steal/rob/gank/extort someone within the confines of EVE, by all means, have at it! Knock yourself out! Go hard in the paint!
But I'm not going to do it. And while some people will applaud one's ability to "outsmart" others and ruin their game play, well, I'll condemn it for them choosing to ruin someone elses game. |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
41
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand applying bad reasoning (by, for instance, presuming that in-game and out-of-game behaviour is somehow connected) is a form of prejudice.
It's not a prejudice if you're acting like the person I'm accusing you of being.
Prejudice would be me looking at the avatar of your character, taking no action of yours into consideration, and pre judging(what prejudice means) the type of person you are. An example: You choose to have a woman's character so I make an assumption that you enjoy unicorns and butterfles. Or maybe that you're artistic or have beautiful handwriting. Those would be an example of prejudice.
In this situation, I'm seeing a person choose to act in a manner that represents he is capable of being a bad person. A person who personally makes the choice to upset others.
That's not prejudice. That's judgement. Nothing pre about it, just straight up, after the fact, judice. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2830
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:02:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
But I'm not going to do it. And while some people will applaud one's ability to "outsmart" others and ruin their game play, well, I'll condemn it for them choosing to ruin someone elses game.
Do you know what an "awox" is? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19644
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:04:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It's not a prejudice if you're acting like the person I'm accusing you of being. It is prejudice if you're accusing them of being a bad (or good) person just by looking at how they act in a game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:05:00 -
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The magic circle analogy is quite amusing, considering many gankers declare they enjoy the RL rage of their victims much more than anything. They develop glee by witnessing their own selves (i:e. not their character) being the cause of the RL distress of some unknown Joe, which they have created by using a video game as a platform.
Oppose this to the reveries of many gamers imagining their favorite character, whom they impersonate, waging battles, solving puzzles, interacting in some form or another with other player-controlled characters, all in the environment of the game, and all under personas.
Anybody can see which musings are within the magic circle, and which are not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19648
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:06:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:The magic circle analogy is quite amusing, considering many gankers declare they enjoy the RL rage of their victims much more than anything. Do you have anything to support this claim?
Divine Entervention wrote:How they act towards me in the game is the only basis of comparison I have to make regarding their character. Iow, you have nothing. So rendering any judgment on their character is straight up prejudice GÇö you're applying unproven assumptions about spurious connections between two separate contexts.
The only thing they've chosen to do is play a game. Same as you. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1538
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's not a prejudice if you're acting like the person I'm accusing you of being. It is prejudice if you're accusing them of being a bad (or good) person just by looking at how they act in a game.
But Tippia -
Real life IS the game! The game IS real
Eve is real!
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
41
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:09:00 -
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It's not against the law of society, just as ganking a miner in eve isn't against the rules.
But if I go stand outside and pick my nose constantly, then people are allowed to look at me and come to the conclusion that I am some one who stands outside in public and picks his nose.
What you're arguing is that if you want to stand outside and pick your nose, that it's wrong for me to look at you picking your nose, and conclude you're the type of person who enjoys nose picking in public. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1538
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:11:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's not a prejudice if you're acting like the person I'm accusing you of being. It is prejudice if you're accusing them of being a bad (or good) person just by looking at how they act in a game. How they act towards me in the game is the only basis of comparison I have to make regarding their character. Them choosing to do bad things leads me to believe they are people who choose to do bad things. It's not prejudice, it's cause and effect.
Actions taken in a game are not indicative of actions taken out of game.
If you think otherwise it's prejudice.
The only real fact you truly know about anyone playing Eve is - they play Eve.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2831
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:11:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:The magic circle analogy is quite amusing, considering many gankers declare they enjoy the RL rage of their victims much more than anything. They develop glee by witnessing their own selves (i:e. not their character) being the cause of the RL distress of some unknown Joe, which they have created by using a video game as a platform.
Oppose this to the reveries of many gamers imagining their favorite character, whom they impersonate, waging battles, solving puzzles, interacting in some form or another with other player-controlled characters, all in the environment of the game, and all under personas.
Anybody can see which musings are within the magic circle, and which are not.
I think you're a bit off base.
As a sandbox game, one can set whatever goals one wishes. If I want to collect a thousand of that little guy they gave us for Christmas, I can try to do that.
My personal goal is to inflict losses on people. I am a PvP player. Highsec is broken, and doesn't let you do that to the degree that it should. This causes people to think that losses shouldn't happen. When I demonstrate otherwise to them, they give forth an outpouring of tears.
I enjoy "winning" (by inflicting loss), every bit as much as I do "tears". But one is the specific product of someone having the wrong attitude, and it's not me. It's the people who think they can act like this is a single player game, and become unreasonably upset at having the truth pointed out to them. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Gyromite
Stronghold of the Condemned The Bloc
27
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:11:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's not a prejudice if you're acting like the person I'm accusing you of being. It is prejudice if you're accusing them of being a bad (or good) person just by looking at how they act in a game. How they act towards me in the game is the only basis of comparison I have to make regarding their character. Them choosing to do bad things leads me to believe they are people who choose to do bad things. It's not prejudice, it's cause and effect.
I enjoy pirating in lo-sec immensely and putting up outrageous sell orders hoping for easy money, and I'm also a minister of 12 years in real life who (when I'm not playing eve) loves to feed the local homeless. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19648
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:11:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:What you're arguing is that if you want to stand outside and pick your nose, that it's wrong for me to look at you picking your nose, and conclude you're the type of person who enjoys nose picking in public. No. What I'm arguing is that you have not seen anyone pick their nose. All you've done is play a nose-picking simulator. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1538
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:13:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It's not against the law of society, just as ganking a miner in eve isn't against the rules.
But if I go stand outside and pick my nose constantly, then people are allowed to look at me and come to the conclusion that I am some one who stands outside in public and picks his nose.
What you're arguing is that if you want to stand outside and pick your nose, that it's wrong for me to look at you picking your nose, and conclude you're the type of person who enjoys nose picking in public.
If you pick your nose in public in real life - then you are someone who picks your nose in real life. If you shoot someone in a game that is not real life... --->Insert crazy bullshit here<---
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:All you've done is play a nose-picking simulator. This has potential. |
Dani Dusette
Sky Fighters
527
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:15:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:How they act towards me in the game is the only basis of comparison I have to make regarding their character. Them choosing to do bad things leads me to believe they are people who choose to do bad things.
It's not prejudice, it's cause and effect. That is like saying you know what kind of person an author is because you've read one of his stories. Mizhir:-á "Dani Dusette, Best Dusette" Ensign (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia-á The Wormhole Sisters of EVE
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2831
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:15:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tippia wrote:All you've done is play a nose-picking simulator. This has potential.
There is a goat simulator. Supposedly it sells surprisingly well on Steam. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1538
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:15:00 -
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Gyromite wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's not a prejudice if you're acting like the person I'm accusing you of being. It is prejudice if you're accusing them of being a bad (or good) person just by looking at how they act in a game. How they act towards me in the game is the only basis of comparison I have to make regarding their character. Them choosing to do bad things leads me to believe they are people who choose to do bad things. It's not prejudice, it's cause and effect. I enjoy pirating in lo-sec immensely and putting up outrageous sell orders hoping for easy money, and I'm also a minister of 12 years in real life who (when I'm not playing eve) loves to feed the local homeless.
Hey there padre! "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
41
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:What you're arguing is that if you want to stand outside and pick your nose, that it's wrong for me to look at you picking your nose, and conclude you're the type of person who enjoys nose picking in public. No. What I'm arguing is that you have not seen anyone pick their nose. All you've done is play a nose-picking simulator.
No, because I see you (not even you necessarily just whomever this scenario applies to) choosing between choices.
One: Be nice Two: Be mean.
I am seeing it. I can go look on crime and punishment and probably see an instance where a guy has been scammed or has scammed someone.
You and I posting on these forums right now, do you view this as imaginary? That we're not really having this conversation?
EVE is public. Anyone can join. Doing actions in the public of EVE is public, noticeable and observable.
Judgements can be made on that which you've observed.
I'm judging you as a person, right now, based on how I'm seeing you communicate to me. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1540
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:19:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:What you're arguing is that if you want to stand outside and pick your nose, that it's wrong for me to look at you picking your nose, and conclude you're the type of person who enjoys nose picking in public. No. What I'm arguing is that you have not seen anyone pick their nose. All you've done is play a nose-picking simulator. No, because I see you (not even you necessarily just whomever this scenario applies to) choosing between choices. One: Be nice Two: Be mean. I am seeing it. I can go look on crime and punishment and probably see an instance where a guy has been scammed or has scammed someone. You and I posting on these forums right now, do you view this as imaginary? That we're not really having this conversation? EVE is public. Anyone can join. Doing actions in the public of EVE is public, noticeable and observable. Judgements can be made on that which you've observed. I'm judging you as a person, right now, based on how I'm seeing you communicate to me.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
16783
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:20:00 -
[564] - Quote
Gyromite wrote:I enjoy pirating in lo-sec immensely and putting up outrageous sell orders hoping for easy money, and I'm also a minister of 12 years in real life who (when I'm not playing eve) loves to feed the local homeless. This man gets the difference between fantasy and reality. IRL he helps the homeless, in Eve he's a dastardly miscreant who enjoys watching things explode.
His Eve persona is separate from his IRL persona, and rightly so.
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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mandarine wrote:The magic circle analogy is quite amusing, considering many gankers declare they enjoy the RL rage of their victims much more than anything. They develop glee by witnessing their own selves (i:e. not their character) being the cause of the RL distress of some unknown Joe, which they have created by using a video game as a platform.
Oppose this to the reveries of many gamers imagining their favorite character, whom they impersonate, waging battles, solving puzzles, interacting in some form or another with other player-controlled characters, all in the environment of the game, and all under personas.
Anybody can see which musings are within the magic circle, and which are not. I think you're a bit off base. As a sandbox game, one can set whatever goals one wishes. If I want to collect a thousand of that little guy they gave us for Christmas, I can try to do that. My personal goal is to inflict losses on people. I am a PvP player. Highsec is broken, and doesn't let you do that to the degree that it should. This causes people to think that losses shouldn't happen. When I demonstrate otherwise to them, they give forth an outpouring of tears. I enjoy "winning" (by inflicting loss), every bit as much as I do "tears". But one is the specific product of someone having the wrong attitude, and it's not me. It's the people who think they can act like this is a single player game, and become unreasonably upset at having the truth pointed out to them.
Which definitely proves you enjoy yourself (i.e., not your character) causing some unknown dude accross the internet to rage, because you (not your character) think that their way of playing is antisocial.
Obviously, this is not in the magic circle.
There are ways to camouflage this, such as bad RP (Asteroid Surveillance Service, MIneral Liberation Force, etc), but it does not really fool anyone and is just created for the enjoyment of gankers, who revel in their circle-jerk. |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
41
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:20:00 -
[566] - Quote
Dani Dusette wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:How they act towards me in the game is the only basis of comparison I have to make regarding their character. Them choosing to do bad things leads me to believe they are people who choose to do bad things.
It's not prejudice, it's cause and effect. That is like saying you know what kind of person an author is because you've read one of his stories.
The book is fiction. All characters are fake. Unless it's a biography of some sort.
The universe of EVE is fiction, but the people involved playing the game are real, making them non-fiction. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2832
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:21:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Gyromite wrote:I enjoy pirating in lo-sec immensely and putting up outrageous sell orders hoping for easy money, and I'm also a minister of 12 years in real life who (when I'm not playing eve) loves to feed the local homeless. This man gets the difference between fantasy and reality. IRL he helps the homeless, in Eve he's a dastardly miscreant who enjoys watching things explode. His Eve persona is separate from his IRL persona, and rightly so.
Well, according to DE, he feeds the homeless burgers with powdered glass in the meat, or chopped up bits of used bandaids. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19650
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:22:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:No, because I see you (not even you necessarily just whomever this scenario applies to) choosing between choices. GǪin a game. You then pass this observation through some assumed, unproven, unexplained, completely made-up causal chan that straddles the magic circle and somehow connects in-game with out-of-game.
You have seen nothing about the actual, real-life person. You are only applying your prejudices. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2832
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:23:00 -
[569] - Quote
Mandarine wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mandarine wrote:The magic circle analogy is quite amusing, considering many gankers declare they enjoy the RL rage of their victims much more than anything. They develop glee by witnessing their own selves (i:e. not their character) being the cause of the RL distress of some unknown Joe, which they have created by using a video game as a platform.
Oppose this to the reveries of many gamers imagining their favorite character, whom they impersonate, waging battles, solving puzzles, interacting in some form or another with other player-controlled characters, all in the environment of the game, and all under personas.
Anybody can see which musings are within the magic circle, and which are not. I think you're a bit off base. As a sandbox game, one can set whatever goals one wishes. If I want to collect a thousand of that little guy they gave us for Christmas, I can try to do that. My personal goal is to inflict losses on people. I am a PvP player. Highsec is broken, and doesn't let you do that to the degree that it should. This causes people to think that losses shouldn't happen. When I demonstrate otherwise to them, they give forth an outpouring of tears. I enjoy "winning" (by inflicting loss), every bit as much as I do "tears". But one is the specific product of someone having the wrong attitude, and it's not me. It's the people who think they can act like this is a single player game, and become unreasonably upset at having the truth pointed out to them. Which definitely proves you enjoy yourself (i.e., not your character) causing some unknown dude accross the internet to rage, because you (not your character) think that their way of playing is antisocial. Obviously, this is not in the magic circle. There are ways to camouflage this, such as bad RP (Asteroid Surveillance Service, MIneral Liberation Force, etc), but it does not really fool anyone and is just created for the enjoyment of gankers, who revel in their circle-jerk.
No, I said that when they go into an overblown emotional reaction to having their pixels destroyed because they didn't bother to defend themselves...
that I laugh.
Yes, it's funny. It's funny to see an adult lose their freaking mind over a video game. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
41
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:No, because I see you (not even you necessarily just whomever this scenario applies to) choosing between choices. GǪin a game. You then pass this observation through some assumed, unproven, unexplained, completely made-up causal chan that straddles the magic circle and somehow connects in-game with out-of-game. You have seen nothing about the actual, real-life person. You are only applying your prejudices. Quote:The book is fiction. All characters are fake. Unless it's a biography of some sort. The universe of EVE is fiction, but the people involved playing the game are real, making them non-fiction. The people are, but those people are not in the game. The characters and actions and all the in-game content is as make-believe and fake as anything you'll find in a book.
But the real life person is the one choosing to make those actions within the game. He didn't have to make the choice to extort someone, he chose to.
That real life person is the one who controlled himself. The game didn't make him do it, he made the game do it.
O god now you're going to try and say we're all characters in a book? Please think about these things. I read game of thrones awhile back. I didn't get to tell Rhaegar to steal Robert Baratheon's woman, lyanna stark. |
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