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Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2014.02.24 09:34:00 -
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Hi all,
I'm looking for a low-sec exploration vessel and was wondering about the possibilities.
A while ago everyone would've said Ishtar or Tengu. Due to lack of sentry drone skills (and no interest in them on this character) the Ishtar is out. Now I am mainly a turret user, but will be skilling missiles if it turns out to be the best option.
The reason I was looking for alternatives is the buff for medium long range turrets, and the fact that they might affect the use of non-tengu ships.
I am mainly looking at Serpentis / Guristas, but BR, Sansha and Angels are also an option if the ship is able to.
I can fly all but amarr up to T3.
Fittings are appriciated aswel! |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.02.24 12:17:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote:Hi all,
I'm looking for a low-sec exploration vessel and was wondering about the possibilities.
A while ago everyone would've said Ishtar or Tengu. Due to lack of sentry drone skills (and no interest in them on this character) the Ishtar is out. Now I am mainly a turret user, but will be skilling missiles if it turns out to be the best option.
The reason I was looking for alternatives is the buff for medium long range turrets, and the fact that they might affect the use of non-tengu ships.
I am mainly looking at Serpentis / Guristas, but BR, Sansha and Angels are also an option if the ship is able to.
I can fly all but amarr up to T3.
Fittings are appriciated aswel!
You can use the proteus with rails for serp/gur, it does sufficient dps, but its never appealed to me. I was using a rails/covops/nullifier fit before they gave us mobile depots, for doing ded 6/7/8 escalations from anomolies into hostile space, but I dropped that and went back to droneboat fit for everything once the depots came in (and I could refit at destination).
You don't need the nullifier for lowsec, but if you decide to take any of the highsec content they added to lowsec, you might need to stash some T2 ships along your route (I've never tried it but afaik the gate requirements are still the same).
Vigilant and deimos rail fit should both be able to do serp+gurista ded 5s and the gurista ded 6, no bother.
IMO the tengu seems faster than any PVE I've done with the proteus, ever. Maybe the maze with its defenders from the station a blaster fit proteus might be faster, I dunno. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2014.02.24 14:43:00 -
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medium rails are better, but very few cruisers, especially non-sentry cruisers, will be able to compare with the dps and projection of a hml fury tengu. Rail deimos might be worth considering though, just because med rails are good, the resists are good, and the rep bonus is quite good, but still no reason to use over a proteus.
If you're willing to go short range, ham tengu is also really good.
All of the ships i've mentioned however will have a rough time vs em enemies. Angels aren't quite as hard, but you won't want to armor tank vs them (at least not in a gallente ship). "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
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Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:17:00 -
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hybrids? long range?, you could use a Ferox, if you feel gallente, then a Brutix, but i dont know would it pan out, the Proteus is a good idea anyways......if not then there are other options, Thorax, Moa.... |
Floyd Perdoo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:58:00 -
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yo i heard ppl actually fly rail tengus now huehue |
Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2014.02.25 12:10:00 -
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So I went to SISI yesterday and tried a blaster and railgun Proteus.
Pro: looks awesome Blasters really face-melt up close
Con: Blasters make me look less awesome in the stasis-tower room Railguns while better still seem mehh - faction AM ammo gives good DPS for mehh range |
Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2014.03.04 10:30:00 -
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Any more advice on this? |
acemastr Ocer
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.04 11:58:00 -
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HAM Tengu can project out to 70km with javelins (600dps) or 40km with Rage (850-900dps)
Rails will always have better damage projection due to instant hit and target speed isn't much of a problem...
Difficult question you ask! |
Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2014.03.04 12:02:00 -
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acemastr Ocer wrote:HAM Tengu can project out to 70km with javelins (600dps) or 40km with Rage (850-900dps)
Rails will always have better damage projection due to instant hit and target speed isn't much of a problem...
Difficult question you ask!
Won't that extra DPS be compensated by extra explosion radius? |
acemastr Ocer
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.04 12:11:00 -
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I personally use a target painter on BC and smaller, this pretty much negates the effects of the explosion radius |
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Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2014.03.04 22:32:00 -
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acemastr Ocer wrote:I personally use a target painter on BC and smaller, this pretty much negates the effects of the explosion radius
Is it possible to provide a fit able to reach out that far with hams? I seem to miss something (with 5's) |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2014.03.06 00:11:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote:acemastr Ocer wrote:I personally use a target painter on BC and smaller, this pretty much negates the effects of the explosion radius Is it possible to provide a fit able to reach out that far with hams? I seem to miss something (with 5's)
Here is an example.
[Tengu, Tengud+ì]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Gist B-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
It will give you 39km with Rage and 70km with Javelin before implants. Together with the popular MP-705, you get 41km with Rage and 74km with Javelin. Personally, I tend to fit a T2 flare rig in the third rig slot, but your mileage may vary. |
Treborr MintingtonJr
Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.03.06 09:49:00 -
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Just being curious, why use HAMs over Heavy missile Launchers? |
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.03.06 10:26:00 -
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Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:Just being curious, why use HAMs over Heavy missile Launchers? DPS.
Coreli Corporation: Small gang PVP & Drug Production, Apply now! |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2014.03.06 10:32:00 -
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Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:Just being curious, why use HAMs over Heavy missile Launchers?
More DPS, more damage application, still good damage projection.
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Qalix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:49:00 -
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I know it's totally crazy and pointless, but I would love it if you'd revise the thread title to "Tengu or Not Tengu." The rhythm of the original quote just doesn't fit the current title. |
Vartan Sarkisian
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:51:00 -
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Why would you use 4 BCS? the staking penalties ust make at least one of those pointless. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die. |
Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:50:00 -
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Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Why would you use 4 BCS? the staking penalties ust make at least one of those pointless.
What to put in the low then? |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:05:00 -
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Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Why would you use 4 BCS? the staking penalties ust make at least one of those pointless.
Your only other options are a DC (not that good on a shield ship), a PDS (good for cap stability and some buffer but worse than a fourth BC) or a sig amp (good for the scan res and bringing your targets to 7 from the low 5 the hull gets).
For PvE, gank is king. Since you need your rigs for projection/application and cannot put a T2 damage mod there, going for 4 damage modules is the most efficient thing to do for the hull.
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Qalix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.03.07 17:47:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Why would you use 4 BCS? the staking penalties ust make at least one of those pointless. Your only other options are a DC (not that good on a shield ship), a PDS (good for cap stability and some buffer but worse than a fourth BC) or a sig amp (good for the scan res and bringing your targets to 7 from the low 5 the hull gets). For PvE, gank is king. Since you need your rigs for projection/application and cannot put a T2 damage mod there, going for 4 damage modules is the most efficient thing to do for the hull. Those aren't your only options. Nanofiber is what I put in the fourth slot; more speed is always good. Sig amp increases the number of targets that can be locked, but the lock range of a tengu is already further out than it's missiles can actually reach. The bonus of a fourth BCS is tiny. In practice, you'll see no real difference. |
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2014.03.07 17:55:00 -
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Qalix wrote: Those aren't your only options. Nanofiber is what I put in the fourth slot; more speed is always good. Sig amp increases the number of targets that can be locked, but the lock range of a tengu is already further out than it's missiles can actually reach. The bonus of a fourth BCS is tiny. In practice, you'll see no real difference.
In practice, and after rigorous testing, I have seen a lot of difference. In my toon I get 50+DPS from a fourth T2 BC, as well as the necessary 2000 DP alpha needed to kill a variety or rats with one less salvo.
A nano if not bad btw, but still suboptimal. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2014.03.07 17:56:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Why would you use 4 BCS? the staking penalties ust make at least one of those pointless. Your only other options are a DC (not that good on a shield ship), a PDS (good for cap stability and some buffer but worse than a fourth BC) or a sig amp (good for the scan res and bringing your targets to 7 from the low 5 the hull gets). For PvE, gank is king. Since you need your rigs for projection/application and cannot put a T2 damage mod there, going for 4 damage modules is the most efficient thing to do for the hull.
Seconding all of this. 4th bcs adds 5.6% damage, nothing to sneeze at. Naturally you're only going to want it if you're well enough tanked already. 2 extra targets from sigamp is really nice/convenient but I normally do without (unless im blitzing frig/destroyer heavy level 2 missions lol). Nano is cool if you want to align faster to escape pvp, but tank wise i would always go with a damage control. Power diag if its the difference between cap stable or not. However if jamming isn't an issue, the truly best solution if you don't need the dps is to use the emergent locus analyzer and get an extra midslot. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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