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Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
162
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:26:00 -
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WORM
Gallente Frigate Bonus: 10% drone damage and hitpoints
Caldari Frigate Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus: 50% to rocket and light missile max velocity
drone bandwidth/drone bay: 50/50
basically a small brother for the gila, (as it should have been)....... |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1017
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:27:00 -
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Ganthrithor wrote: Am I just completely math-tarded (totally a possibility) or is a 300% (or 3x) multiplier to drone damage applied to two drones the equivalent of six un-bonused drones, not 8?
IDK if I'm just doing it wrong, but I get 6x unbonused drones' worth of DPS from the Worm's two drones vs 6.25x un-bonused drones' worth of damage from a 5-drone ship with a 5%/level (25%) damage bonus. How are you getting your 8 drones' worth of damage?
You are right on the math, but wrong on the interpretation.
A 300% bonus ADDS 300%, to the original 100%, totaling to 400%.
It's not a 3x multiplier much like the 100% bonus on a marauder is not a 1x multiplier. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
523
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:28:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:WORM
Gallente Frigate Bonus: 10% drone damage and hitpoints
Caldari Frigate Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus: 50% to rocket and light missile max velocity
drone bandwidth/drone bay: 50/50
basically a small brother for the gila, (as it should have been).......
absolutely awful |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2213
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:28:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:WORM
Gallente Frigate Bonus: 10% drone damage and hitpoints
Caldari Frigate Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus: 50% to rocket and light missile max velocity
drone bandwidth/drone bay: 50/50
basically a small brother for the gila, (as it should have been)....... Just stop, the Worm is amazing as is. Its unique, functional and powerful without being OP. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Methonash Qorranto
Just In Time Science Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
4
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:29:00 -
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Ganthrithor wrote: Am I just completely math-tarded (totally a possibility) or is a 300% (or 3x) multiplier to drone damage applied to two drones the equivalent of six un-bonused drones, not 8?
IDK if I'm just doing it wrong, but I get 6x unbonused drones' worth of DPS from the Worm's two drones vs 6.25x un-bonused drones' worth of damage from a 5-drone ship with a 5%/level (25%) damage bonus. How are you getting your 8 drones' worth of damage?
You're not math-tarded, Sir - you're just forgetting one important little detail: that base damage is already at 100%, and you have to factor that in when counting the bonus.
Thus, a 300% bonus on top of 100% equals 400%, or in other words, an effective multiplier of 4x.
So, 4 * 2 --> 8.
With 5 drones at 25% bonus (on top of 100% base), you get 5 * 1.25 = 6.25, which is what you *did* calculate correctly.
In other words, it's 300% of 100%, or 3, on top of the 1 base --> so 4 total, and 4 by 2 --> 8. |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
405
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:29:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:WORM
Gallente Frigate Bonus: 10% drone damage and hitpoints
Caldari Frigate Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus: 50% to rocket and light missile max velocity
drone bandwidth/drone bay: 50/50
basically a small brother for the gila, (as it should have been).......
You are amazing. Really. Very Special.
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Methonash Qorranto
Just In Time Science Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
4
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:31:00 -
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Mike Voidstar wrote: You are amazing. Really. Very Special.
Much butthurt.
Very melancholic.
Wow. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:33:00 -
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When are these changes going up on the test server? I have to look into the Worm; as it stands I do not agree with the offensive capabilities of the Worm and will not unless circumstances in actual gameplay end up changing my mind. Running through things in my head it still looks like it's not going to have the damage nor the defense to truly get a leg up over competing T2 ships (ie. the Harpy, in terms of defense)- I distinctly recall that the AF survivability buff a while back essentially put these two hulls literally right next to eachother in terms of raw shield HP. The ship won't be fun if it isn't capable, and right now it doesn't look like it's quite finished. Honestly, I'd accept what was happening now if it got just slightly more fittings, enough to accomodate a third launcher- and then got that third launcher hardpoint. I literally do not see the point of a 50% damage bonus to two launchers. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
693
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:35:00 -
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seems pretty good |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
230
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:38:00 -
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Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.
Raw 962.5 1437.5 900
Shield Omni perDT 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55
Armor Omni perDT 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30
Structure 900
Total 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30 900 _____ 4,874 EHP for one drone with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad. |
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Kapytul Gaynez
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:39:00 -
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Worm looks pimp Succubus looks pimp(although will have to see how the tracking holds up) Cruor looks confused but has some definite possibilities. DD and Dram were already pimp.
Overall solid collection of updates. I love the use of new bonuses. I can't wait to see the cruisers. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1242
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:40:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.
Raw 962.5 1437.5 900
Shield Omni perDT 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55
Armor Omni perDT 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30
Structure 900
Total 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30 900 _____ 4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.
Not bad != Being fun.
Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate! The Tears Must Flow |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2308
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:44:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Bertrand Butler wrote:Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.
Raw 962.5 1437.5 900
Shield Omni perDT 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55
Armor Omni perDT 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30
Structure 900
Total 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30 900 _____ 4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.
Not bad != Being fun. Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate!
I personally can't wait to fly it, I think its going to be amazingly fun.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Nimbolic
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation Moist.
0
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:46:00 -
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probably been said, but i wanted to add my opinion. i think these proposed changes all look pretty good so far. i would really hope that serpentis ships keep their extremely strong webs. they may be broken like that but its what makes them fun to fly. honestly i dont know that i would fly a vindicator again if that loses the 90% web (yes i realize battleship changes havent been released yet) whilst i like the strong drone damage bonus on the worm, im not so sure i would like the same '2 strong drones' thing to carry on to the heavier ships. the gila perhaps shouldnt be able to launch 5 heavies/sentries but i think the rattlesnake should. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1242
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:46:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Bertrand Butler wrote:Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.
Raw 962.5 1437.5 900
Shield Omni perDT 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55
Armor Omni perDT 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30
Structure 900
Total 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30 900 _____ 4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.
Not bad != Being fun. Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate! I personally can't wait to fly it, I think its going to be amazingly fun.
I bet a 5(bandwith)/10(bay) drone ship with 600% bonus would be even better right?... The Tears Must Flow |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
845
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:47:00 -
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I really have to chime in and say that the drone bonus on Gurista's hulls should be moved to the Gallente bonus. I know you've stated that it makes the ship perform poorly without Frigate V, but let's face it: these are high SP ships anyway, so you should be flying them with at least perfect spaceship command skills. Step onto the battlefield, and you're already dead, born again at the end of the battle to live on and fight another day.
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
230
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:47:00 -
[587] - Quote
Quote: I bet a 5(bandwith)/10(bay) drone ship with 600% bonus would be even better right?...
It would be demonstratively worse, since it would make the equivalent of 7 drones. Now we have 8. |
Kapytul Gaynez
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:48:00 -
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Seems like the people arguing for the "5 drone vanilla Worm" don't really explain why besides just repeating "That's how it is supposed to be!" ad naseum. Any chance one of them comes up with an actual reason besides "Cuz..."? |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:48:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:
Not bad != Being fun.
Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate!
I strongly urge you to stop suggesting to change it back. I did actual numbermancy on some things- the Worm looks like it'll completely melt face within rocket range. I'm talking 214 DPS with my skills, no doubt more if you have the right implants. Slightly more tank than before, not to mention it's also getting faster, while staying the same (fairly light) mass. These drones are putting out ~111 DPS, will have 4800-5000something EHP and a signature radius of 25m in orbit. This could be a ship that revitalizes drone useage, SOMEWHERE, in New Eden. And it looks like my desire for a missile using shield brawler has come true. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1017
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:49:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Bertrand Butler wrote:Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.
Raw 962.5 1437.5 900
Shield Omni perDT 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55
Armor Omni perDT 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30
Structure 900
Total 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30 900 _____ 4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.
Not bad != Being fun. Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate! I personally can't wait to fly it, I think its going to be amazingly fun. I bet a 5(bandwith)/10(bay) drone ship with 600% bonus would be even better right?... Not terribly different while having less spares(2 vs 2.5 flights) and lower damage? Why? |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1242
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:49:00 -
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Kapytul Gaynez wrote:Seems like the people arguing for the "5 drone vanilla Worm" don't really explain why besides just repeating "That's how it is supposed to be!" ad naseum. Any chance one of them comes up with an actual reason besides "Cuz..."?
"Cuz..." it fun to use 5 drones with 5 spares?
Why not change the new Worm to only use one drone with 600% bonus? The Tears Must Flow |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1242
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:51:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Bertrand Butler wrote:Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.
Raw 962.5 1437.5 900
Shield Omni perDT 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55
Armor Omni perDT 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30
Structure 900
Total 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30 900 _____ 4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.
Not bad != Being fun. Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate! I personally can't wait to fly it, I think its going to be amazingly fun. I bet a 5(bandwith)/10(bay) drone ship with 600% bonus would be even better right?... Not terribly different while having less spares(2 vs 2.5 flights) and lower damage? Why?
Already aswer this, it's fun to fly a 5 drones frigate with 5 spares, it's what makes the current Worm great.
The Tears Must Flow |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
230
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:51:00 -
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why? |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
405
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:52:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Bertrand Butler wrote:Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.
Raw 962.5 1437.5 900
Shield Omni perDT 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55
Armor Omni perDT 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30
Structure 900
Total 240.62 300.77 401.03 601.55 898.43 653.40 479.16 399.30 900 _____ 4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.
Not bad != Being fun. Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate! I personally can't wait to fly it, I think its going to be amazingly fun. I bet a 5(bandwith)/10(bay) drone ship with 600% bonus would be even better right?...
If it was a 700% bonus... I would chew Rise's left arm off trying to get him to give me one of those drones with space to plug my pod in. It would be a frigate with almost a battleships tank.
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Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
162
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:52:00 -
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Kapytul Gaynez wrote:Seems like the people arguing for the "5 drone vanilla Worm" don't really explain why besides just repeating "That's how it is supposed to be!" ad naseum. Any chance one of them comes up with an actual reason besides "Cuz..."?
try to gank a frigate with to 2 "drones" that are basically closer to be frigates (if not destroyers) themselves.....try to look at that from the point of a bigger hull, how are you gonna stop that, with webs?, they would tank any damage done by your drones or smartbombs or other weapons.....while is easier to get rid of a flight of 5 drones in fact, its hard already (got ganked by an ishtar once, it was traumatizing) now imagine a ship with 2 drones with the tank and DPS of 4 each one, but with the rest of the statistics equal to any other light drone, they're practically immortal..... |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1242
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:53:00 -
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Aglais wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:
Not bad != Being fun.
Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate!
I strongly urge you to stop suggesting to change it back. I did actual numbermancy on some things- the Worm looks like it'll completely melt face within rocket range. I'm talking 214 DPS with my skills, no doubt more if you have the right implants. Slightly more tank than before, not to mention it's also getting faster, while staying the same (fairly light) mass. These drones are putting out ~111 DPS, will have 4800-5000something EHP and a signature radius of 25m in orbit. This could be a ship that revitalizes drone useage, SOMEWHERE, in New Eden. And it looks like my desire for a missile using shield brawler has come true.
Being overpowered != of being fun. The current Worm with 25/50 drone configuration is fun ship to fly. The Tears Must Flow |
Kapytul Gaynez
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:53:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Kapytul Gaynez wrote:Seems like the people arguing for the "5 drone vanilla Worm" don't really explain why besides just repeating "That's how it is supposed to be!" ad naseum. Any chance one of them comes up with an actual reason besides "Cuz..."? "Cuz..." it fun to use 5 drones with 5 spares? Why not change the new Worm to only use one drone with 600% bonus?
Not sure how having 5 drones is any more fun that having 2 and your 1 drone version has 7 effective drones instead of the proposed 8 effective drones. The proposed Worm is better than the old one in every way. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
524
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:53:00 -
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Kapytul Gaynez wrote:Seems like the people arguing for the "5 drone vanilla Worm" don't really explain why besides just repeating "That's how it is supposed to be!" ad naseum. Any chance one of them comes up with an actual reason besides "Cuz..."?
because if my dps is in 2 drones, what happens if someone webs one and stops it getting within 8km? also, what of tracking disruptors vs drones?
and if this is the way it needs to be to make combat drone ships good, why is this a guristas-only thing? |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
844
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:53:00 -
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Methonash Qorranto wrote:Ganthrithor wrote: Am I just completely math-tarded (totally a possibility) or is a 300% (or 3x) multiplier to drone damage applied to two drones the equivalent of six un-bonused drones, not 8?
IDK if I'm just doing it wrong, but I get 6x unbonused drones' worth of DPS from the Worm's two drones vs 6.25x un-bonused drones' worth of damage from a 5-drone ship with a 5%/level (25%) damage bonus. How are you getting your 8 drones' worth of damage?
You're not math-tarded, Sir - you're just forgetting one important little detail: that base damage is already at 100%, and you have to factor that in when counting the bonus. Thus, a 300% bonus on top of 100% equals 400%, or in other words, an effective multiplier of 4x. So, 4 * 2 --> 8. With 5 drones at 25% bonus (on top of 100% base), you get 5 * 1.25 = 6.25, which is what you *did* calculate correctly. In other words, it's 300% of 100%, or 3, on top of the 1 base --> so 4 total, and 4 by 2 --> 8.
:shobon:
Thanks, duder! That was dumb :3 |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:56:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Kapytul Gaynez wrote:Seems like the people arguing for the "5 drone vanilla Worm" don't really explain why besides just repeating "That's how it is supposed to be!" ad naseum. Any chance one of them comes up with an actual reason besides "Cuz..."? "Cuz..." it fun to use 5 drones with 5 spares? Why not change the new Worm to only use one drone with 600% bonus?
You may not even NEED spare drones, don't you see? These drones are going to have more EHP than heavies, while having significantly smaller sigs and travelling FAR faster. You'll still have a 'spare set' of drones given that the bay of the Worm will still be 25. |
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