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Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:04:00 -
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The Two and a Half Minutes Hate
A slave indoctrination ritual, presented for review by Nauplius, Divine Commodore, 24th Imperial Crusade Each day, at a prescribed time of the owner's choosing, slaves are herded into a plain, unadorned room and watch a two and one half minute long holoreel presentation about the Vak'Atioth Massacre. The content of the presentation varies, but invariably features the following:
- The Jove are portrayed as vile, deceptive aggressors, shooting first and ruthlessly slaughtering a brave but doomed Amarrian mercy fleet.
- Individual Jovians must be visually disgusting, putrid yellow and green, constantly uttering blasphemies against God. Jovian boarding parties are shown sexually assaulting Amarrian nuns, forcing Amarrian priests to deny their God and martyring them when they refuse, and so forth.
- The slaves watching the presentation are literally whipped into a frenzy of hatred against the Jove. They are encouraged to shout at and throw things at the holoreel images and attempt to damage the holoreel equipment (which must remain shielded for this reason).
- Lighting is kept deliberately low in order to encourage violent mob-like expression under the cover of anonymity. Sound effects (explosions, women screaming, death throes, metal twisting) shall be grating and reinforce the anger and hatred.
- As the emotion reaches its height, lifelike Jovian effigies are tossed into the crowd of slaves to be ripped apart. Should Jove slaves ever become available, these effigies will be replaced with live Jovians, and these shall suffer the same fate as the effigies.
- At about the two minute mark, images of Vak'Atioth become interspersed with images of Jove scheming and manipulating current events and persons (Karsoth, Shakor, etc.), always seeking to destroy the Amarr.
- The presentation ends with loving, kind images of Jamyl Sarum who reassures the viewers that the Jove will not be allowed to hurt them. The slaves bow and prostrate before her, weeping and crying all the while.
I have beta-tested this Two and a Half Minutes Hate ritual aboard my RKS Reclaimer and RKS Re-Enslaver vessels. Initial tests have been positive, with hatred of the Jove up 20% over pre-test baseline. The primary issue with the Two and a Half Minutes Hate has been excessive time taken to untangle the slaves's chains following the orgiastic, violent actions of the ritual.
Loyal Amarrians (and others) are invited to comment on the Two and a Half Minutes Hate and introduce it on their own starships and colonies. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3270
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:11:00 -
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Just so we're clear - you do accept that the Amarrian fleet at Vak'Aktioth was an invasion fleet tasked with engaging local Jovian fleet assets to allow the Empire to seize Space superiority within that system as a prelude to further seizure of territory?
I just need to be clear in my mind as to whether you're practising this with a clear mind. |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters
3107
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:20:00 -
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Always figured you for a two and a half minute man, Mr Nauplius. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) Just an innocent explorer!-á pâä | -áWormhole Sisters of EVE Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1101
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:24:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:practising It seems a little obvious this man has no idea what he's doing.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:clear mind. The only reason his mind would be 'clear' is because there's nothing there to be seen.
Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:25:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Just so we're clear - you do accept that the Amarrian fleet at Vak'Aktioth was an invasion fleet tasked with engaging local Jovian fleet assets to allow the Empire to seize Space superiority within that system as a prelude to further seizure of territory?
I just need to be clear in my mind as to whether you're practising this with a clear mind.
I believe...that different social classes are meant to believe different things...
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3182
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:27:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Just so we're clear - you do accept that the Amarrian fleet at Vak'Aktioth was an invasion fleet tasked with engaging local Jovian fleet assets to allow the Empire to seize Space superiority within that system as a prelude to further seizure of territory?
I just need to be clear in my mind as to whether you're practising this with a clear mind. I believe...that different social classes are meant to believe different things...
That's not actually an answer to his question. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
126
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:45:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Nauplius wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Just so we're clear - you do accept that the Amarrian fleet at Vak'Aktioth was an invasion fleet tasked with engaging local Jovian fleet assets to allow the Empire to seize Space superiority within that system as a prelude to further seizure of territory?
I just need to be clear in my mind as to whether you're practising this with a clear mind. I believe...that different social classes are meant to believe different things... That's not actually a direct answer to his question.
While not a direct answer, the inferred meaning is quite clear. Sure he is aware the Amarrian fleet was an invasion force and the aggressor. However in his mind, it's perfectly fine to lie to slaves for the purpose of stoking Jovian hate, because they are slaves.
I suppose the train of thought is if your enemy isn't actually evil, lie to make them evil. You combine this with stuffing slaves with Vitoc and you'll be able to have slaves believe almost anything you tell them. I'm sure the slavers feel all this drug use and lying manipulation is in the best interests of the slaves... right? Also murdering Jovians to further the cause is justified to I'm sure.
On a personal note, Nauplius, I personally find you to be a disgusting individual. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3182
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:51:00 -
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I'dd say "Well hell, if he wants to personally re-enact that battle, let him" but of course a lot of innocent people who aren't guano insane would get killed in the crossfire. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4400
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:56:00 -
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What does your god say about lying?
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
451
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:08:00 -
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If you have to lie to justify the Reclaiming, then you are a poor teacher. Slaves are not stupid. They can be taught the truth and understand the righteousness of the Reclaiming just as any free Amarr.
Frankly, Mr. Nauplius, you are setting up yourself or anyone you sell these slaves to for a rebellion. You are not rearing compliant, faithful servants, who will live righteously and in fear of God, you are instead teaching them that violence, hate, and hostility are good things, that it is okay to give into these wild, feral emotions. You are teaching them that, when they are angry, it is right and proper to destroy property and tear people apart. The moment they get the opportunity, they will lash out at the closest thing that causes them pain--their masters and overseers.
Our base impulses must be controlled. Pure thought is the instigator of sin.
When the ears hear only The mouth shouting And the eyes see only The fingers broken The world has turned And God has gone Left us with fond memories Of sweet life without pain. - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 8:18 |
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Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:10:00 -
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Anslo wrote:What does your god say about lying?
Teaching slaves a...different version of the truth is absolutely, positively within orthodox Amarrian thought. A mining slave might be taught that he can literally dig his way out of hell by operating a piece of mining equipment. There is a...sense that this is true, just as there is a sense that the holoreels shown in my Two and a Half Minutes Hate rituals are true. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4400
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:13:00 -
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Right so....right... We'll see you soon nappy~
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1667
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:16:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:
The presentation ends with loving, kind images of Jamyl Sarum who reassures the viewers that the Jove will not be allowed to hurt them.
The Empress is like a big sister to us all.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
366
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:43:00 -
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This is some kind of a... parody, right?
Absurdity of the whole ordeal aside, if we were to hypothetically take this whole thing seriously... why Jovians?
Don't you have any better role models for this pointless hate-mongering than a long dead and buried civilization? - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
15
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:03:00 -
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Are your slaves all children? I can only envisage children buying such simplistic black-or-white manichaeist revanchism. That is a really crude way of presenting facts.
If they're not, and it's working, I'd be worried about the intellectual level of your slaves, if I were you. Unless you use them for breaking rocks. (If I were you I'd actually not have slaves but nevermind that detail)
It's good to be back in State-ruled territory (a.k.a. high and low sec) but I one thing I'll miss about working for corporations in their remote domains was not having to witness this kind of thing. They don't seem to survive long around there. You even forget Amarr are OK with slaves around there. |
Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:13:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote: Frankly, Mr. Nauplius, you are setting up yourself or anyone you sell these slaves to for a rebellion. You are not rearing compliant, faithful servants, who will live righteously and in fear of God, you are instead teaching them that violence, hate, and hostility are good things, that it is okay to give into these wild, feral emotions. You are teaching them that, when they are angry, it is right and proper to destroy property and tear people apart. The moment they get the opportunity, they will lash out at the closest thing that causes them pain--their masters and overseers.
Security, perhaps, is a legitimate objection to my scheme.
Know, however, that: GÇö Each and every slave in my possession, whether owned or in-transit due to Re-Enslavement operations, is constrained by at least five redundant means of slave control: chains, collars, Vitoc, the electric lash, and slaver hounds. GÇö I do not necessarily agree that teaching slaves to hate one (visually unique and identifiable!) race causes slaves to hate indiscriminately. However, when considering which race would be the first subject of the Two and a Half Minutes Hate, I quickly eliminated Minmatar from consideration, lest a malfunction in the conditioning lead to my slaves ripping each other part. GÇö Violence and hate are good things, when focused on proper targets. Read the Scriptures. They are filled with wrath against the Wicked, whom God drowns in the their own blood and against whom he sends avenging angels. Nor are shocking examples of violence limited to God: Molok was sacrificed on the altar of God. Yes, liberals, there's human sacrifice in our religion, right there in one of our best known Scriptures GÇö you don't have to be a Blood Raider to believe it.
Finally, the Jove are worthy only to glorify God in their destruction. They practice "Apotheosis", trying to become like Gods, perhaps the highest of blasphemies. Their seeding of technologies around the cluster in order to create a new generation of quasi-immortal Empyreans follows in the same vein. They must be stopped, and like Molok before them, they are worthy only to be sacrificed.
(That, and revenge for Vak'Atioth GÇö and don't tell me revenge isn't Scriptural; vengeance is everywhere in the Scriptures.)
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Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
126
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:26:00 -
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Apollo Lyserius wrote:If they're not, and it's working, I'd be worried about the intellectual level of your slaves, if I were you. Unless you use them for breaking rocks. (If I were you I'd actually not have slaves but nevermind that detail)
The problem is our dear Amarr uses Vitoc. Intellectual capability is often rendered useless with Vitoc Brainwashing. I'll give you a portion from the Republic research paper that was cleared for public viewing.
Quote:"Roughly 15 years ago, the Amarr introduced a new refinement to the Vitoc Method. A viral agent that would stay in a subject's system forever, producing toxins that were deadly within 24 hours unless they were treated with Vitoc each and every day. This nameless toxin has been dubbed "Vitoxin" by Republic scientists in order to distinguish it from the Vitoc compound that acts as an antidote.
With the new viral agent, a slave's death without the antidote was particularly horrible, while the antidote itself was designed to be blissfully euphoric. This combination of incentive and punishment proved psychologically devastating. Incidents of slaves committing suicide by deliberately refusing or inciting Holders to refuse the antidote ceased almost completely and many informants acting as part of the underground freight route for slaves escaping the Empire turned back to their masters and betrayed those in their care, out of fear of the poison."
As you can see... it's not always about intelligence of the slave. Vitoc is its own method of brainwashing. |
Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Kaltiovon
657
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:46:00 -
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see the quoted verse in my signature? apply it to everything Naupilius says. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3183
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:01:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Don't you have any better role models for this pointless hate-mongering than a long dead and buried civilization?
Long dead and buried? I saw one teleporting about the place on a live newsfeed a few years back.
...Then he exploded, but it was very impressive up to that point, and the detonation itself certainly left an impression too.
I kind of doubt that an entire civilization has just gone belly-up and died in less than a decade. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
42
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:08:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:The Two and a Half Minutes Hate A slave indoctrination ritual, presented for review by Nauplius, Divine Commodore, 24th Imperial Crusade Each day, at a prescribed time of the owner's choosing, slaves are herded into a plain, unadorned room and watch a two and one half minute long holoreel presentation about the Vak'Atioth Massacre. The content of the presentation varies, but invariably features the following... Loyal Amarrians (and others) are invited to comment on the Two and a Half Minutes Hate and introduce it on their own starships and colonies.
No self-respecting holder would even consider this sort of idiocy.
The moment you feel the need to justify something, is the moment you have lost. My charges are not stupid, and there are far better ways of obtaining their loyalty than by turning them into mindless drones.
This is a disgrace and the fact that you are even considering using this policy is a sad reflection on your cognitive abilities. The Jove are our political enemies. They are not, however, supernatural monsters for us to use for brainwashing techniques. They are no different than the Amarr Empire's Minmatar or Gallente adversaries.
Nauplius, you must stop this idiotic crusade against the Jove. Until we come into contact with them again, you are simply causing trouble where none should exist. Your job in the 24th Crusade is to fight in the militia border zones. Not spout off hateful speeches about subjects on which you are obviously woefully uninformed or do not understand.
If one feels the use of psychological manipulation as necessary to bring order to their holdings, they are obviously inept at their job and should be relieved immediately.
We are Amarr. Not Sansha. It is people like you, Nauplius, that make such a distinction so hard to see to many.
- Lord Draconis - Kor-Azor, Holder of the Draconis family, Duke of Athror Fide et honore.
(OOC note: proper form of address is Lord Draconis. Not anything with "Viceroy". Seriously, read my bio - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vulxanis_Viceroy#Extended_Bio)-á((Twitter @VulxanisViceroy)) |
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Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
42
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:13:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:The problem is our dear Amarr uses Vitoc. Intellectual capability is often rendered useless with Vitoc Brainwashing. I'll give you a portion from the Republic research paper that was cleared for public viewing.
I have never, nor will I ever, use such a drug to obtain obedience. It is entirely unnecessary. I am trying to help Holders realize that with my methods of encouragement. No civilization, not even the Amarr, are without fault.
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:As you can see... it's not always about intelligence of the slave. Vitoc is its own method of brainwashing.
Exactly why I absolutely refuse to use it. A Holder's responsibility is to educate and and better those under them. A slave's intelligence is to be worked with, guiding them to a better life, and helping them understand the will of God. The use of brainwashing is entirely counter-intuitive to this goal. Unfortunately, many do not understand that. Hopefully, my methods will become popular enough that vitoc will no longer be widely used. Fide et honore.
(OOC note: proper form of address is Lord Draconis. Not anything with "Viceroy". Seriously, read my bio - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vulxanis_Viceroy#Extended_Bio)-á((Twitter @VulxanisViceroy)) |
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
126
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:30:00 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:Hopefully, my methods will become popular enough that vitoc will no longer be widely used.
I don't know what methods you use, but slavery is abhorrent. I've liberated several slaves within Empire space, and the horror stories I have heard.... from beatings, to spiked collars filled with toxins, Vitoc, slave hounds that hunt down and kill slaves... etc etc.
If you method doesn't use any of this...then if anything, I haven't seen anybody else using something any less terrible, which makes your "methods" outside of the norm, perhaps even radical from what most slavers use.
And Vitoc use continues regardless of any of that. One day, your scientists aren't going to be able to follow a mutation, and Vitoc will grow out of control. It's a disaster waiting to happen. Hopefully scientists in the Republic and Federation figure out a permanent cure. The consequences of an out of control Vitoc plague are to horrible to even contemplate. |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
15
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:32:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
The problem is our dear Amarr uses Vitoc. Intellectual capability is often rendered useless with Vitoc Brainwashing. I'll give you a portion from the Republic research paper that was cleared for public viewing.
As you can see... it's not always about intelligence of the slave. Vitoc is its own method of brainwashing.
Now I feel naive for not knowing about such methods. That is absolutely terrifying, in my view. Also, much obliged for the information and enlightenment.
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote: I have never, nor will I ever, use such a drug to obtain obedience. It is entirely unnecessary. I am trying to help Holders realize that with my methods of encouragement. No civilization, not even the Amarr, are without fault.
Exactly why I absolutely refuse to use it. A Holder's responsibility is to educate and and better those under them. A slave's intelligence is to be worked with, guiding them to a better life, and helping them understand the will of God. The use of brainwashing is entirely counter-intuitive to this goal. Unfortunately, many do not understand that. Hopefully, my methods will become popular enough that vitoc will no longer be widely used.
And it's good to know that such methods aren't widespread. Restores my faith in humanity that even where freedom is not an universal human right, others such as dignity are. |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
43
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:44:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:Hopefully, my methods will become popular enough that vitoc will no longer be widely used. I don't know what methods you use, but slavery is abhorrent. I've liberated several slaves within Empire space, and the horror stories I have heard.... from beatings, to spiked collars filled with toxins, Vitoc, slave hounds that hunt down and kill slaves... etc etc. If you method doesn't use any of this...then if anything, I haven't seen anybody else using something any less terrible, which makes your "methods" outside of the norm, perhaps even radical from what most slavers use. And Vitoc use continues regardless of any of that. One day, your scientists aren't going to be able to follow a mutation, and Vitoc will grow out of control. It's a disaster waiting to happen. Hopefully scientists in the Republic and Federation figure out a permanent cure. The consequences of an out of control Vitoc plague are to horrible to even contemplate.
You are welcome to see for yourself, granted you submit to all of my security restrictions. I can assure you that none of the above mentioned practices will be found, and your safety will be assured. For further proof you may make an unscheduled visit my bar in Kihtaled, The Golden Lounge, and if I am available I shall provide a tour.
And they are not radical, simply unorthodox compared to popular practices such as vitoc use. They are not, however, in any way in opposition to the Scriptures. Fide et honore.
(OOC note: proper form of address is Lord Draconis. Not anything with "Viceroy". Seriously, read my bio - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vulxanis_Viceroy#Extended_Bio)-á((Twitter @VulxanisViceroy)) |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
43
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:45:00 -
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Apollo Lyserius wrote:And it's good to know that such methods aren't widespread. Restores my faith in humanity that even where freedom is not an universal human right, others such as dignity are.
I do not require your approval to know that what I am doing is the better alternative, but I do appreciate the compliment.
Fide et honore.
(OOC note: proper form of address is Lord Draconis. Not anything with "Viceroy". Seriously, read my bio - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vulxanis_Viceroy#Extended_Bio)-á((Twitter @VulxanisViceroy)) |
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
126
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:15:00 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:You are welcome to see for yourself, granted you submit to all of my security restrictions. I can assure you that none of the above mentioned practices will be found, and your safety will be assured. For further proof you may make an unscheduled visit to my bar in Kihtaled, The Golden Lounge, and if I am available I shall provide a tour.
And they are not radical, simply unorthodox compared to popular practices such as vitoc use. They are not, however, in any way in opposition to the Scriptures.
A couple things...
1) By my admitting I'm in Amarr territories freeing slaves, I'm pretty sure that puts me on a fair number of Amarr hit lists for blasphemy and stuff. 2) The Amarr are not unknown to take Gallente slaves while knowing just how much personal liberty means to a Gallente. 3) Is there any sort of good chance that this one Amarr really means what he says? This one Amarr really being different than all the other slavers? 4) Knowing the 3 above, how many reasons would I have to trust an Amarr not to try and force me into slavery via his own security detail that I was just invited to willingly submit to?
Thinking.... thinking.... still thinking.... yea, I'm going with a giant resounding thank you for the kind offer... but No. |
Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:20:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Leopold Caine wrote:Don't you have any better role models for this pointless hate-mongering than a long dead and buried civilization? Long dead and buried? I saw one teleporting about the place on a live newsfeed a few years back. ...Then he exploded, but it was very impressive up to that point, and the detonation itself certainly left an impression too. I kind of doubt that an entire civilization has just gone belly-up and died in less than a decade. Especially a civilization whose approach to diplomacy over the last few centuries has largely consisted of silence interspersed with only occasional appearances each of which was an opportunity to showcase their technological superiority. Why do people keep insisting that they're extinct? I'm not claiming that they aren't, I just see no evidence to support that particular assertion.
Because Pilot Leopold Caine is an Angel loyalist, he might be forgiven for thinking the Jove dead and buried; the Jove left Curse a long time ago.
But Pilot Stitcher is correct: the Jove have been active in the recent past, and so they remain a threat and a legitimate target for hatred and aggression.
Like him, however, I am puzzled by the rather sudden silence. I am also puzzled by the silence about the silence: that the cluster's media outlets have not inquired into the fate of the Jove. If the Empress has ordered the Amarr Certified News to stay away from the Jove, then of course she has good reasons and must be obeyed, but other nations' news outlets have also ignored the Jove story, and I suspect their motives are not so pure.
I believe that the Amarr Navy should solve the mystery of the Jove by sending up a recon fleet. A recon-in-force fleet. A very, very large recon-in-force fleet. With Avatars. Lots of them. |
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
126
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:21:00 -
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Apollo Lyserius wrote:Now I feel naive for not knowing about such methods. That is absolutely terrifying, in my view. Also, much obliged for the information and enlightenment.
And it's good to know that such methods aren't widespread. Restores my faith in humanity that even where freedom is not an universal human right, others such as dignity are.
You're absolutely welcome, the more people that really understand what it going on, the more likely we can effect change. What I don't understand is how you feel that this person owning slaves restores your faith in humanity, or even why you would believe him with what he says about this. As he is a slave owner, I'm pretty sure that gives him an invested interest in keeping you in the dark as much as possible about what is going on in the back scenes. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
481
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:23:00 -
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An excellent thread |
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
126
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:28:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:I believe that the Amarr Navy should solve the mystery of the Jove by sending up a recon fleet. A recon-in-force fleet. A very, very large recon-in-force fleet. With Avatars. Lots of them.
Because that worked out SO WELL for you all before, right? |
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