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Ruin Rolmera
11
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:35:00 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote: To put it simply, the situations aren't as similar as they appear to be. The connotations of "kin" for people such as Pieter and myself, are altered by both orign and upbringing. I, for instance, have only one blood relation that I know of, and no extended ties in either direction beyond those who could loosely be called kirjuun by affiliation (Kaalakiota). The remainder of those whom I consider to be "family" in a more real sense are people who, for whatever reason, have grown to mean something more to me than being faces in the crowd. Some aren't even Caldari.
I am not sure which associations would be comparable since the perspectives are so different, but be assured I wasn't attempting to tell him what his kirjuun was or was not to him. I was merely referring to another use of kin that some may not have thought of. Just as I could not understand what someone being kirjuun means to you, I would have difficulty explaining the meaning of my tribe to you.
But I assume that you would have pretty powerful reactions to some of them being enslaved. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
220
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:42:00 -
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Ruin Rolmera wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote: To put it simply, the situations aren't as similar as they appear to be. The connotations of "kin" for people such as Pieter and myself, are altered by both orign and upbringing. I, for instance, have only one blood relation that I know of, and no extended ties in either direction beyond those who could loosely be called kirjuun by affiliation (Kaalakiota). The remainder of those whom I consider to be "family" in a more real sense are people who, for whatever reason, have grown to mean something more to me than being faces in the crowd. Some aren't even Caldari.
I am not sure which associations would be comparable since the perspectives are so different, but be assured I wasn't attempting to tell him what his kirjuun was or was not to him. I was merely referring to another use of kin that some may not have thought of. Just as I could not understand what someone being kirjuun means to you, I would have difficulty explaining the meaning of my tribe to you. But I assume that you would have pretty powerful reactions to some of them being enslaved. It wasn't meant to be deeply comparative, to be clear. I've spent time among the Minmatar, specifically a sub-tribe of Sebiestor, so I do have a limited understanding of tribe and family in that sense, just not the same deep life experience in such matters.
And yes, Mister Rolmera, I would have a very unpleasant reaction indeed to finding anyone I care about held against their will. That, you need not explain further. |
Ruin Rolmera
14
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Posted - 2014.03.02 15:00:00 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote: It wasn't meant to be deeply comparative, to be clear. I've spent time among the Minmatar, specifically a sub-tribe of Sebiestor, so I do have a limited understanding of tribe and family in that sense, just not the same deep life experience in such matters.
In my short time as a capsuleer, I've heard people say the phrase "I've spent time among the Minmatar" surprisingly often. What does this mean? People take vacations to us? What, are we a curiosity? I do not understand where this comes from. Do people just think one day, "My, that's an odd bunch. I'm going to go spend time with them and see what that's all about." |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3293
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Posted - 2014.03.02 18:30:00 -
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Ruin Rolmera wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote: To put it simply, the situations aren't as similar as they appear to be. The connotations of "kin" for people such as Pieter and myself, are altered by both orign and upbringing. I, for instance, have only one blood relation that I know of, and no extended ties in either direction beyond those who could loosely be called kirjuun by affiliation (Kaalakiota). The remainder of those whom I consider to be "family" in a more real sense are people who, for whatever reason, have grown to mean something more to me than being faces in the crowd. Some aren't even Caldari.
I am not sure which associations would be comparable since the perspectives are so different, but be assured I wasn't attempting to tell him what his kirjuun was or was not to him. I was merely referring to another use of kin that some may not have thought of. Just as I could not understand what someone being kirjuun means to you, I would have difficulty explaining the meaning of my tribe to you. But I assume that you would have pretty powerful reactions to some of them being enslaved.
You are quite correct there. I would move heavens and stone. In this I quite empathise with the morivations of the Matari - except for where they stretch that need to intervene out to people who haven't been their kin for a thousand years and who may not even welcome 'rescue'.
Caldari like myself and Saya are perhaps alone in the Cluster in not conflating kin with blood family - I, myself, have only siblings and no parents, for example. |
Ruin Rolmera
15
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Posted - 2014.03.02 20:47:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You are quite correct there. I would move heavens and stone. In this I quite empathise with the morivations of the Matari - except for where they stretch that need to intervene out to people who haven't been their kin for a thousand years and who may not even welcome 'rescue'.
Caldari like myself and Saya are perhaps alone in the Cluster in not conflating kin with blood family - I, myself, have only siblings and no parents, for example.
You should probably not attach your notion of kin to us, then. It is that simple, sadly. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3294
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:42:00 -
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Nothing sad about it. I wouldn't expect all cultural constructs to translate between us - but it is useful knowing how YOU use the word, for reference. |
Ruin Rolmera
17
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:47:00 -
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When specific words are needed, they are used. When broad words are needed, they are used. Much like I assume you use kirjuun in a very specific manner and only when intended. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2340
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Posted - 2014.03.02 23:12:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:We Amarr can discern whether someone is unrighteous or sub-human without assistance from the Blood Raiders, thank you very much.
Then why are you here?
Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2014.03.03 02:46:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Nauplius wrote:We Amarr can discern whether someone is unrighteous or sub-human without assistance from the Blood Raiders, thank you very much. Then why are you here?
My accusers need to get their story straight. Some of you think I'm a Sansha; others, a Blood Raider; others, the Cult of the Lash; others, a Minmatar plant.
I am none of these things. I am an Amarrian loyal to Jamyl Sarum who wants to glorify God in the destruction of the Wicked, the Jove chief among them. |
Kucial Kinan
Sancte Sapienter
4
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Posted - 2014.03.03 03:43:00 -
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Nauplius wrote: I am an Amarrian loyal to Jamyl Sarum who wants to glorify God...
You have failed in your desire immeasurably. "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 |
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Gaufres
Old Timers Guild Inc. Coalition of Old Timers
58
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Posted - 2014.03.06 16:24:00 -
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"Nauplius wrote: I am an Amarrian loyal to Jamyl Sarum who wants to glorify God... "
Is this so? You contacted the Theology Council, the Imperial Chancellor and even a representative in the Emperial Family and they all signed off on your slaughter of a million slaves?
I hardly think so. The Empress Jamyl does not appear to publically support those types of activities.
It may be time for you to put down the sword and spend some time back at the Theology Council to clear up any misconceptions you have about the treatment of slaves under your care. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
1467
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Posted - 2014.03.06 21:55:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:My concern is only this, as somebody that also knows about these seeds and trees.
A new tree is most vulnerable to those bigger and more established trees around it. Also it is more vulnerable to the animals that would eat it. What you are talking about, is changing the way the Amarr view their entire theology, this is not an easy task by any means and if those such as Lord Draconis are truly as you say... then they are also the most vulnerable to those that would see this effort squashed to keep things as they are. What is being done to keep the new tree from being infected by it's neighbors? That may be true, but that is also entirely an Amarrian matter. No outside force will be able to help these trees; in fact, they hinder them. The more wars there are on the borders of the Empire, the more terrorists in its heart, and the more hatred and fear grips the Empire the more they strangle voices for peace and understanding. The only way the Empire will change is while it is at peace, as Heideran's rule thoroughly proved. Every time a Minmatar fires an autocannon round at an Amarrian ship, they drive a nail into both our coffins.
Youre so cute when you do this victim blaming thing. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2014.03.06 22:43:00 -
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Gaufres wrote:"Nauplius wrote: I am an Amarrian loyal to Jamyl Sarum who wants to glorify God... "
Is this so? You contacted the Theology Council, the Imperial Chancellor and even a representative in the Emperial Family and they all signed off on your slaughter of a million slaves?
I hardly think so. The Empress Jamyl does not appear to publically support those types of activities.
It may be time for you to put down the sword and spend some time back at the Theology Council to clear up any misconceptions you have about the treatment of slaves under your care.
I do not consult with the Theology Council, much less the Empress(!) every time I dump some garbage out the airlock, nor do I need to consult with them before offering some subhuman filth up to God GÇö in Khanid space.
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Erin Savonarola
House Savonarola
11
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:23:00 -
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You're a subject of the Kingdom, certainly not an Imperial citizen. You're also a commoner, who should not have slaves in the first place, the Kingdom's laws not withstanding. You speak out of both sides of your mouth, heretic. One side proclaims your devotion to the Empress, the other rejecting her laws and councils. If the Minmatar are considered subhuman, than surely the Khanid are as well. When we first found the Khanid, you were barbarians, savage warriors untamed by civilization. You killed for fun and valued only strength of force. The True Amarr showed you the light of God and tempered your barbarity with Faith. Now, you have returned to your barbaric roots. Those that are faithful and humble before God are righteous. Those that are not are subhuman filth. |
Straton Technos
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:28:00 -
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I find this thread intriguing. Little was I aware that the Amarr people were such advocates of human rights. Perhaps the empire is not as united as it would like us to think. Very good.
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Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:52:00 -
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Erin Savonarola wrote:You're a subject of the Kingdom, certainly not an Imperial citizen. You're also a commoner, who should not have slaves in the first place, the Kingdom's laws not withstanding. You speak out of both sides of your mouth, heretic. One side proclaims your devotion to the Empress, the other rejecting her laws and councils. If the Minmatar are considered subhuman, than surely the Khanid are as well. When we first found the Khanid, you were barbarians, savage warriors untamed by civilization. You killed for fun and valued only strength of force. The True Amarr showed you the light of God and tempered your barbarity with Faith. Now, you have returned to your barbaric roots. Those that are faithful and humble before God are righteous. Those that are not are subhuman filth.
Contessa GÇö
If I seem to speak with two minds at times it is because I am a Unionist and a member of an Amarr Corporation, the 24th Imperial Crusade. I do hope that when union comes, it is the Khanid customs surrounding slavery that pervail.
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Erin Savonarola
House Savonarola
11
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:11:00 -
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Where commoners like yourself hold slaves? Not bloody well likely. Where slaves are massacred en mass? Over my dead body. The economy would collapse in a month, notwithstanding the theological argument. You do not understand what it means to be a holder. You will never understand what it means to be a holder. You are incapable. Now, do the cluster, the Kingdom and the Empire a favour and kill yourself. Every moment you continue to breathe is a slight upon the Empress and your King. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
918
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Posted - 2014.03.07 10:14:00 -
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Gaufres wrote:"Nauplius wrote: I am an Amarrian loyal to Jamyl Sarum who wants to glorify God... "
Is this so? You contacted the Theology Council, the Imperial Chancellor and even a representative in the Emperial Family and they all signed off on your slaughter of a million slaves?
I hardly think so. The Empress Jamyl does not appear to publically support those types of activities.
It may be time for you to put down the sword and spend some time back at the Theology Council to clear up any misconceptions you have about the treatment of slaves under your care. Oh, and here comes another gallentean upstart, who pokes his huge subhuman nose into Empire affairs. To make them stop, we should all stay united and destroy their flilthy Federation. |
Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:31:00 -
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Erin Savonarola wrote:Where commoners like yourself hold slaves? Not bloody well likely. Where slaves are massacred en mass? Over my dead body. The economy would collapse in a month, notwithstanding the theological argument. You do not understand what it means to be a holder. You will never understand what it means to be a holder. You are incapable. Now, do the cluster, the Kingdom and the Empire a favour and kill yourself. Every moment you continue to breathe is a slight upon the Empress and your King.
Contessa GÇö
I respectfully decline your invitation to kill myself.
As for the economic argument, trillions of potential slaves are available in the Minmatar Republic, Gallente Federation, and Jove Empire. With Vitoc and TCMCs, any or all of them can be made economically productive slaves without possibility of Rebellion. |
Erin Savonarola
House Savonarola
13
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Posted - 2014.03.07 15:02:00 -
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You're so conservative, you're liberal!
Regardless, I think you need to talk to Sansha Kuvakei. He's more your style. |
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3254
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Posted - 2014.03.07 15:22:00 -
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Nah, say what you like about Kuvakei, but Nation's propaganda at least doesn't include such a backwards notion as "subhuman". An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Lucien Rouen
5
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Posted - 2014.03.07 15:40:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: Oh, and here comes another gallentean upstart, who pokes his huge subhuman nose into Empire affairs. To make them stop, we should all stay united and destroy their flilthy Federation.
I assume "flilthy" is a portmanteau of "filth" and "flare"? So while you, for some odd reason, think the Federation is filthy, you admit it also has flare? Be yourself; everyone else is already taken. |
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