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Kucial Kinan
Sancte Sapienter
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:34:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote: And just who the hell are you?
Did your poor attempt at a snarky reply satisfy your need to make yourself seem relevant? What has your pitious comment added to "raise the level" of discussion? Nothing. Surely you've seen my response to these types of posts enough times before to have known the outcome.
It would not take much to raise the level of discussion at this moment. I was simply curious if you would defend your post as anything but lashing out, but I see that you will not. "Beware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone; The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word, Great misery follows those who heed what only the weak have heard." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:14 - 2:17 |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1542
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:47:00 -
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As a Pilot, citizen of the Gallentean Federation and a free Matari living in the Republic I don't feel that I need to justify my posting to anyone, least of all to someone I don't know. Perhaps your time would be better spent policing the mad ramblings of your countryman Nauplius as he does a far better job of making your cause look bad than I ever could.
I'll however answer your question. I started this thread in response to something Pilot Kernher stated in another thread. I wanted to challenge the assertion that slavery was the best way to spread the Amarr religion. I also asked (and am still waiting for responses) how humanity would be better off under Amarrian subjugation, why all other cultures should be wiped out in favor of yours, etc. My questions are found in my original post.
Perhaps you'd care to actually address any of those questions or defend the institutional practice of slavery rather than attacking me? When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
Kucial Kinan
Sancte Sapienter
13
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:02:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:As a Pilot, citizen of the Gallentean Federation and a free Matari living in the Republic I don't feel that I need to justify my posting to anyone, least of all to someone I don't know. Perhaps your time would be better spent policing the mad ramblings of your countryman Nauplius as he does a far better job of making your cause look bad than I ever could.
I'll however answer your question. I started this thread in response to something Pilot Kernher stated in another thread. I wanted to challenge the assertion that slavery was the best way to spread the Amarr religion. I also asked (and am still waiting for responses) how humanity would be better off under Amarrian subjugation, why all other cultures should be wiped out in favor of yours, etc. My questions are found in my original post.
Perhaps you'd care to actually address any of those questions or defend the institutional practice of slavery rather than attacking me?
I have clearly stated my opinion of Nauplius' statements in other places.
Regarding your supposed questioning, there have been plenty of people that have responded sufficiently to them where a response was called for. Curiously, it seems as though you have let others follow up your own discussion instead of continuing it yourself. This is fairly standard for those who merely wish to harangue instead of discuss.
In addition, it is quite a stretch to interpret my words as an attack. "Beware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone; The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word, Great misery follows those who heed what only the weak have heard." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:14 - 2:17 |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1553
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Posted - 2014.03.05 15:26:00 -
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Ladies and gentlemen I here present the ultimate "gift" from one of the most pious and zealous of the imperials.
I'm sure his fellows will rush to state that Nauplius is a heretic, en extremist, that his views do not represent those of the average faithful. I counter that these excuses matter not to the million innocents he butchered. They remain just as dead.
It was the culture of the "reclaiming", omnipresent religion and the constant reinforcement of racial supremacy that drove Nauplius mad. Unless that culture changes there will be more like him.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
483
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:16:00 -
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Except Nauplius is a heretic. His actions, just like the similar atrocity committed by J4LP after the Battle of Arzad, are not authorized by the Empire. This has been confirmed through inquiries made to Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order.
If you would consider Nauplius' example applied to the Empire, then I'm sure you consider the treaty violations at Yulai and Colelie, the murderers of Abel Jarek, the Matari prison camps, Havohej and Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics, and the Murientor Tribe to all be acceptable representations of the Republic, too. |
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
142
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:25:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Except Nauplius is a heretic. His actions, just like the similar atrocity committed by J4LP after the Battle of Arzad, are not authorized by the Empire. This has been confirmed through inquiries made to Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order.
So... how many people does a single person have to murder in your Empire without "authorization" before you all... gee I dunno... DO SOMETHING ABOUT HIM!?
Just a question. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
483
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:32:00 -
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How much are you doing? It's easy to deride others for doing nothing while sitting on your hands yourself.
Just because something is not announced in big bold letters on the IGS does not mean it is not happening. The IGS is not the end-all-be-all of the universe. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1553
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:33:00 -
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How predictable of you Kernher. You're attempting to equate the noble battle to save the Starkmanir and Nefantar, who were going to be murdered by your then de-facto ruler Karsoth, with the wanton killing for self-aggrandizement of Nauplius.
Have you been so brainwashed by your masters that you can no longer think for yourself or, do you just reflexively parrot the words and ideologies of your masters? I can't believe that even a shill such as you would attempt to justify the acts of Nauplius in this way and equate his heinous deed, designed only to garner attention and make himself appear "evil", with the rescue of two lost Minmatar Tribes.
Colelie has been discussed ad nausium. It was a stupid political and military decision, not a genocide. Abel Jarek was a single man who knowingly (and provocatively) put himself in harm's way. I have no comment on the acts of Havohej or Murientor Tribe as I'm unfamiliar with what they are alleged to have done.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
22
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:38:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Ladies and gentlemen I here present the ultimate " gift" from one of the most pious and zealous of the imperials. I'm sure his fellows will rush to state that Nauplius is a heretic, en extremist, that his views do not represent those of the average faithful. I counter that these excuses matter not to the million innocents he butchered. They remain just as dead. It was the culture of the "reclaiming", omnipresent religion and the constant reinforcement of racial supremacy that drove Nauplius mad. Unless that culture changes there will be more like him.
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Except Nauplius is a heretic. His actions, just like the similar atrocity committed by J4LP after the Battle of Arzad, are not authorized by the Empire. This has been confirmed through inquiries made to Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order. So... how many people does a single person have to murder in your Empire without "authorization" before you all... gee I dunno... DO SOMETHING ABOUT HIM!? Just a question.
It appears to me that The Empire silently condones the actions of Nauplius and other Amarrian's like him. Or perhaps those in power are too afraid to look their own evil square in the face, while coming to grips with this atrocity.
The silence of The Empire is deafening, yet it speaks volumes. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
483
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:43:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:How predictable of you Kernher. You're attempting to equate the noble battle to save the Starkmanir and Nefantar, who were going to be murdered by your then de-facto ruler Karsoth, with the wanton killing for self-aggrandizement of Nauplius.
Have you been so brainwashed by your masters that you can no longer think for yourself or, do you just reflexively parrot the words and ideologies of your masters? I can't believe that even a shill such as you would attempt to justify the acts of Nauplius in this way and equate his heinous deed, designed only to garner attention and make himself appear "evil", with the rescue of two lost Minmatar Tribes.
Colelie has been discussed ad nausium. It was an illegal and stupid political and military decision, not a genocide. Abel Jarek was a single man who knowingly (and provocatively) put himself in harm's way. I have no comment on the acts of Havohej or Murientor Tribe as I'm unfamiliar with what they are alleged to have done.
Havohej and his group murdered over 300,000 former Minmatar slaves because they would not give up their faith. He is bragging about it over in Ms. Riordan's thread.
The example of Abel Jarek was just one example, he is not the only casualty of anti-Amarrian violence in Republic space, as the above example shows. As for the Murientor Tribe, your own corporation denounced their efforts to motivate violence and hate against faithful Minmatar in the Republic--namely the new Nefantar tribal chief.
None of that is relevant, though, because I was not equating the severity of anything. I made one very simple point: If you are going to consider a criminal extremist to be representative of one nation, then you must also take ownership of the criminal extremists of your own nation. |
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Lucien Rouen
3
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:47:00 -
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Can't everyone just admit he is off his rocker and move on? He'll get his. In the meantime, he seems happy to cost himself significant amounts of money for no good reason. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken. |
Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
129
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:54:00 -
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Lucien Rouen wrote:Can't everyone just admit he is off his rocker and move on?
No, the Republicans and Imperials will have to go around in circles, rehashing exhausted arguments and tired histories for a few more pages first.
Meanwhile, armchair pundits will wring their hands at how terrible Pilot Nauplius is without so much as running a locator agent on him.
Fancy some crystal egg to pass the time? Thukker Outrider Frigateer Booster Smuggler |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
484
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:58:00 -
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Noden Vorpalstar wrote:It appears to me that The Empire silently condones the actions of Nauplius and other Amarrian's like him. Or perhaps those in power are too afraid to look their own evil square in the face, while coming to grips with this atrocity.
The silence of The Empire is deafening, yet it speaks volumes.
Clearly you condone him as well, since you are also doing nothing.
When you have his ship on your killboard and his corpse in your cargo hold, then you can denounce others for their lack of effort. |
Lucien Rouen
3
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:59:00 -
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Karynn Denton wrote:Lucien Rouen wrote:Can't everyone just admit he is off his rocker and move on? No, the Republicans and Imperials will have to go around in circles, rehashing exhausted arguments and tired histories for a few more pages first. Meanwhile, armchair pundits will wring their hands at how terrible Pilot Nauplius is without so much as running a locator agent on him. Fancy some crystal egg to pass the time?
You're just all sorts of blunt aren't you. Refreshing. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken. |
Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:59:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Except Nauplius is a heretic. His actions, just like the similar atrocity committed by J4LP after the Battle of Arzad, are not authorized by the Empire. This has been confirmed through inquiries made to Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order.
If PIE have received a ruling regarding the sacrifice of slaves from Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel, perhaps they might suggest that His Grace publicize his ruling in order that those of us who need guidance on this issue receive it. I would invite communication from His Grace on this matter. After all, it seems odd that His Grace would only confirm to PIE what PIE already believes, and offer nothing to those of us who believe the contrary.
Also, I would be interested in whether PIE has received a ruling specifically regarding either my case or the J4LP case or they are inferring a prohibition against slave sacrifice from statements on other matters or more general subjects.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3230
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:22:00 -
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Noden Vorpalstar wrote:It appears to me that The Empire silently condones the actions of Nauplius and other Amarrian's like him. Or perhaps those in power are too afraid to look their own evil square in the face, while coming to grips with this atrocity.
The silence of The Empire is deafening, yet it speaks volumes.
The Republic have been similarly quiet on the subject. Somehow, I doubt that their silence constitutes tacit approval. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
484
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:47:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Also, I would be interested in whether PIE has received a ruling specifically regarding either my case or the J4LP case or they are inferring a prohibition against slave sacrifice from statements on other matters or more general subjects.
Inquiries were made directly to the Ministry of Internal Order following and specifically concerning the incident at Arzad. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
916
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:14:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Except Nauplius is a heretic. His actions, just like the similar atrocity committed by J4LP after the Battle of Arzad, are not authorized by the Empire. This has been confirmed through inquiries made to Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order. So... how many people does a single person have to murder in your Empire without "authorization" before you all... gee I dunno... DO SOMETHING ABOUT HIM!? Just a question. So... how many gallentean skulls we need to crack to spill their useless brains out, before they STOP MEDDLING INTO OTHER PEOPLES BUSINESS?!
Just a question. |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
71
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:27:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote: Colelie has been discussed ad nausium.
To be frank, I don't think it's been discussed enough. And I was around when the ad nauseum was in full swing.
After all it's not every day your alleged friends, allies, and neighbors try to go on a rampage through your nation's space. Well, okay, neighbors maybe, but not the first two. |
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
143
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Posted - 2014.03.05 19:26:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:How much are you doing? It's easy to accuse others of doing nothing while sitting on your hands yourself.
I think I mentioned in another spot that I've petitioned your government for kill rights. Have to do that considering this is less a blow up his ship and he just wakes up in a fresh clone, and my petition that would involve death outside the pod. Being from another government, avenging our Minmatar Citizens... myself getting charged with murder for killing a mass murderer would be quite silly.
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2173
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:52:00 -
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Bryen Verrisai wrote:Anabella Rella wrote: Colelie has been discussed ad nausium.
To be frank, I don't think it's been discussed enough. And I was around when the ad nauseum was in full swing. After all it's not every day your alleged friends, allies, and neighbors try to go on a rampage through your nation's space. Well, okay, neighbors maybe, but not the first two.
Here we go again...
There is literally NOTHING more to talk about regarding Colelie. Hell, we can't even yell at Shakor anymore since he's effectively getting rid of most of his power. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
71
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Posted - 2014.03.06 04:28:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote: Here we go again...
There is literally NOTHING more to talk about regarding Colelie. Hell, we can't even yell at Shakor anymore since he's effectively getting rid of most of his power.
As a matter of fact there is plenty to talk about, and plenty that continues to be talked about. It's not something people have forgotten, and it's not something they've forgiven.
With that said, I have no intent of starting that discussion here. I simply wished to say my piece on the alleged irrelevance of the incident, particularly since it was a member of Gradient doing the dismissive handwaving. |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
222
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Posted - 2014.03.06 04:56:00 -
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That's ok.
No one has forgotten about the ineptitude of the Federal Security forces either. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1555
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Posted - 2014.03.06 05:14:00 -
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Bryen Verrisai wrote: As a matter of fact there is plenty to talk about, and plenty that continues to be talked about. It's not something people have forgotten, and it's not something they've forgiven.
With that said, I have no intent of starting that discussion here. I simply wished to say my piece on the alleged irrelevance of the incident, particularly since it was a member of Gradient doing the dismissive handwaving.
People like you make me ashamed to be a Federal citizen at times. Just what the **** do you and your ilk want? Most reasonable Matari including ME denounced the incursion. If you'd bothered to do a little background check you'd know that but hell, that's asking way too much. Better to shoot off your mouth first and make assumptions. Also, just what the hell does my corporation have to do with anything?
Ok so, for the 100th (and from me final) time: Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Je suis tres desole. Lo siento mucho. Pick the apology in your preferred language.
There. Happier now? When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
71
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Posted - 2014.03.06 05:30:00 -
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I'm well aware of the fact that the event was denounced in varying degrees by various individuals (but never by the Republic government as a whole, in either of its incarnations), and I respect those who chose to do so.
Anabella Rella wrote: Also, just what the hell does my corporation have to do with anything? Unless something has changed from now and then, your corporation has publicly stated that should events identical or similar occur in the future it will support unwarranted aggressive actions against the Federation again. I certainly won't dictate how your corporation should set its policies; that's none of my business. But as long as the stance "We will do this again" holds true, you don't have much of a right to dismiss the incident as no longer relevant or worthy of discussion.
What I personally want (though I won't speak for my "ilk", whomever that may be) is an assurance that such a betrayal will not occur again. And that has been something that has not been given by your corporation, by your compatriots, or by your government.
I apologize for derailing your thread with what was meant to be an off-hand comment on a specific point of disagreement. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3040
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Posted - 2014.03.06 08:11:00 -
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How dare you derail a thread that is supposed to be about how terrible the Amarr are! Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
917
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:41:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:How dare you derail a thread that is supposed to be about how terrible the Amarr are! Because Amarr in fact aren't terrible. They are nice, trustworthy business peoples and allies of the State and Caldari people. On other hand, gallentes are terrible and must be eradicated. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
265
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:04:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Havohej and his group murdered over 300,000 former Minmatar slaves because they would not give up their faith. He is bragging about it over in Ms. Riordan's thread.
Yet this should surprise no one. A Minmatar of the Faith is one whom will not take up arms against the Amarr Empire, and therefore is of no use to Shakor's regime. The hypocrisy of the constant and callous purging of all those Minmatar whom do not toe the Republic party line of "FreedomGäó" by their own government has become so sadly routine that it is debatable to consider it even news at all. The sound of the Amarrian heart |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2176
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:35:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:. A Minmatar of the Faith is one whom will not take up arms against the Amarr Empire, and therefore is of no use to Shakor's regime. .
Not necessarily. I'd imagine if there was an emperor/empress that was unpopular with faithful minmatar, or they disagreed with the Empire on political terms rather then religious ones, they would go to war.
Of course, it's less likely, but still quite a possibility given the circumstances. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
487
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:47:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:. A Minmatar of the Faith is one whom will not take up arms against the Amarr Empire, and therefore is of no use to Shakor's regime. . Not necessarily. I'd imagine if there was an emperor/empress that was unpopular with faithful minmatar, or they disagreed with the Empire on political terms rather then religious ones, they would go to war.
Then they wouldn't be faithful. You cannot be of the faith and opposed to God's Chosen. This isn't the Federation, where the government is a secular entity. Opposing the Amarrian government is opposing the faith. |
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