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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:29:00 -
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How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.
I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.
Thanks!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:33:00 -
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Ships would explode without a shot being fired, especially on the Jita 4-4 undock. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:33:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.
I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.
Thanks!
Posting in a stealth "nerf bumping" thread.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:38:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.
I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.
Thanks!
Posting in a stealth "nerf bumping" thread.
I promise that I am not.
I was more thinking about the large fleet battles where it just ends up being a mass of ships bouncing off one another. But yes, it would definitely change the dynamic of 'bumping'. On that note....I can see where there would be plenty of 'Bumpers' would not like it.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:43:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.
I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.
Thanks!
Posting in a stealth "nerf bumping" thread. I promise that I am not. I was more thinking about the large fleet battles where it just ends up being a mass of ships bouncing off one another. But yes, it would definitely change the dynamic of 'bumping'. On that note....I can see where there would be plenty of 'Bumpers' would not like it.
I'm not a bumper. I don't necessarily agree with the whole bumping thing. I think these guys should just splat the miners or anyone else that refuses to submit to their demands and call it a day. But it is what it is. They have the devs blessing - C'est la vie.
This being what it is - collisions of ships causing damage = no bueno. Though the mayhem and chaos outside IV-4 would be spectacular.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:49:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.
I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.
Thanks!
Someone like me would park a huge ship on an undock, and everyone else would get blown up.
Oh, and someone like me would use it to "bump" miners and exhumers.
This idea has been proposed before. A lot. It was a stupid idea then, and it's a stupid idea now. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:51:00 -
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I see that 12945 threads on this same subject with the same ideas just were not enough, and we required 12946.
Search > New Topic. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Marit Mankalas
Marit Mankalas Corporation
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:57:00 -
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Maybe, there would be something like "the shield of both ships reduce the speed of the colision and there is no domage in normal conditions".
So there will be real damage only if one of the ship is at full speed... or if the shield of one of them is down.
I would find this cool, if it would be "not too often".
P.S.: Please excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker. |
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.
I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.
Thanks!
Someone like me would park a huge ship on an undock, and everyone else would get blown up. Oh, and someone like me would use it to "bump" miners and exhumers. This idea has been proposed before. A lot. It was a stupid idea then, and it's a stupid idea now.
On the parking the huge ship - I would guess the current mechanics that don't allow bumping until you make an action would get around that...or at the very least there would be a mechanism that would inhibit this.
On the "bumping" of miners and exhumers, I would think that these ships should rightfully be the biggest and most mass laden of all the ships in EVE...so if you did 'bump' them...you would cause yourself just as much damage as you inflict.
Stupid idea? That a real world physics situation would be in effect? Bouncing multimillion / billion ton objects together without any damage is.....well stupid.....to use your own term. |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:03:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I see that 12945 threads on this same subject with the same ideas just were not enough, and we required 12946.
Search > New Topic.
sad part is that I can't tell if this is true or fake. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:06:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Stupid idea? That a real world physics situation would be in effect? Bouncing multimillion / billion ton objects together without any damage is.....well stupid.....to use your own term. You don't want real world collision mechanics. With regards to the bumping of freighters and mining ships, hitting a slow moving multimillion ton ship with another multimillion ton ship travelling at 2km/s is going to leave a bloody big hole in the slower ship if real world physics were imposed. Kinetic energy has to be part of the equation.
Slightly off topic; theoretically you can make a real mess of a planet using an object millions of times smaller if it's going fast enough. It's been a staple of sci-fi for years and was a commonly touted idea during the cold war. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:09:00 -
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How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.. and other useless "what if" questions next time on GD. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:14:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote: Stupid idea? That a real world physics situation would be in effect? Bouncing multimillion / billion ton objects together without any damage is.....well stupid.....to use your own term.
The game is based off an underwater physics model, actually. It's a submarine simulator.
Also, if you want psycho realism, you shouldn't be playing an MMO. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:15:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow. It would be as if we played a horribly balanced Bethesda game with hilarious AI.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow. It would be as if we played a horribly balanced Bethesda game with hilarious AI.
I just hope "horn lube" is an affordable commodity in this game. Or maybe a debuff you put on the player closing on your six. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:22:00 -
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Not sure where the negativity is coming from. I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.
Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:23:00 -
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Unicorns can only be piloted by virgins.
... just saying ... |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:26:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Not sure where the negativity is coming from.
I can tell you where it's coming from.
Vanity Tian wrote:I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.
A question that has been asked again and again, over and over, ad nauseum.
Vanity Tian wrote:Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question.
You're very welcome. Enjoy the rest of your day. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1541
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:27:00 -
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Marit Mankalas wrote:P.S.: Please excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker.
Your English is strides better than some of the native speakers here.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:27:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Unicorns can only be piloted by virgins.
... just saying ...
According to comments I get in local, my unicorn pilot's license is valid. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:37:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:Not sure where the negativity is coming from. I can tell you where it's coming from. Vanity Tian wrote:I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play. A question that has been asked again and again, over and over, ad nauseum. Vanity Tian wrote:Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question. You're very welcome. Enjoy the rest of your day.
You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response?
It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:41:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response?
It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic.
Vanity Tian wrote:It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do.
I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums.
Enjoy the rest of you day. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:43:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Not sure where the negativity is coming from. I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.
Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question.
It's not a valid question. Not even a little bit. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:51:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Not sure where the negativity is coming from. I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.
Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question.
As said above the "rubber ducks in a bath tub" physics of EVE has been discussed ad infinitum before.
However for a more serious answer, consider the unexpected consequences of your proposal, in particular what would happen if:
- you are mining and accidently bump an asteroid - select approach on any object with MWD engaged - anything large (orca freighter etc) plows through all the small ships on dock at Jita - you are trying to navigate through any of the "scenery" (large abandoned stations etc)
Plus ... to be even slightly realistic you will need a much more sophisticated damage model for ships, more akin to that used in combat flight sims, and what part of a ship you bump would suddenly matter. The scenery would also require a damage model. This stuff is more a thing for Valkerie.
It is far simpler to simply say "Ships in EVE have a funky force field that makes them bounce off things". |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:03:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response? It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic. Vanity Tian wrote:It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do. I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums. Enjoy the rest of you day.
You complete me. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1546
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:05:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response? It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic. Vanity Tian wrote:It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do. I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums. Enjoy the rest of you day. You complete me.
Holy ****! Brought tears to my eyes laughing so hard. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:47:00 -
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As an aside, you will prolly see how bad an idea this is when and if that other game people are drooling over comes out. They will have collision damage... yea...
And it would take a complete reworking of all aspects of eve to even remotely make it work. So not gonna happen and its a horrible idea |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:01:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:As an aside, you will prolly see how bad an idea this is when and if that other game people are drooling over comes out. They will have collision damage... yea...
And it would take a complete reworking of all aspects of eve to even remotely make it work. So not gonna happen and its a horrible idea
They are campaigning for "bumping" to be an illegal action and cause their version of CONCORD to intervene... If that happens... I cant wait to repeatedly fly my ship in front of them so they can have a taste of CONCORDOKKEN pie ala Eve Online. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:02:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.
I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.
Thanks!
How would EVE change if CCP fixed the bumping mechanic? For the better.
I say this because they would also have to fix the sloppy controls so that everyone in Jita wouldn't be blowing themselves up at the undock. Imagine being able to control your ship,instead of just pointing it at something and stopping by running in to it.
I'd go as far as to suggest a WASD control system but if CCP did that half the player base, with their irrational fear of those letters, would quit without even trying it.
Point and pray is really not a good system for a game to have in 2014. It needs some serious reworking. The bonus being that CCP could implement a proper collision mechanic while they're at it.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:07:00 -
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An image comes to mind of a Titan steamrolling through an entire fleet. I <3 Boobees
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