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Farsiris Arbosa
StarFleet Central Command
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:15:00 -
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Piracy and "blue collar" crimes, in general, are viewed as fair game in the EVE community.
Scamming, scheming, and white collar crimes, on the other hand, seem a lot more controversial. I hear a lot of people say that they think of it as something outside of normal moral EVE boundaries, and others who say it's just another way to make some ISK.
So I ask you: where do you stand on scamming in EVE? Fair game, or exceptionally awful?
Personally, I think that all is fair in love and EVE. My opinion may be a little biased, since I've never been a victim of a scam (nor scammed anyone else), but I generally harbor the philosophy that anything in EVE that doesn't involve a) hacking, b) messing with someone's account or c) the real world is within the realm of fair game. Look at my sig, my sig is amazing |
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
125
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:17:00 -
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its good |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1540
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:18:00 -
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I typically don't stand when I play.
When I do stand, it's over there. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1540
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:21:00 -
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Hey Lord Jita! Everyone's trying to get into you!
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
124
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:22:00 -
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Working as intended. The only ones complaining about scams are the greedy victims of the scams. Leave it as is. Scams generate both content and good tears |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
16783
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:24:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Piracy and "blue collar" crimes, in general, are viewed as fair game in the EVE community.
Scamming, scheming, and white collar crimes, on the other hand, seem a lot more controversial. I hear a lot of people say that they think of it as something outside of normal moral EVE boundaries, and others who say it's just another way to make some ISK.
So I ask you: where do you stand on scamming in EVE? Fair game, or exceptionally awful?
Personally, I think that all is fair in love and EVE. My opinion may be a little biased, since I've never been a victim of a scam (nor scammed anyone else), but I generally harbor the philosophy that anything in EVE that doesn't involve a) hacking, b) messing with someone's account or c) the real world is within the realm of fair game.
I agree with you, if the game allows it, it's fair game. The problem that people have with scams is not that they were scammed, but that they don't like admitting that they were dumb and or greedy enough to fall for them. |
Dawn Lewis
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:27:00 -
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I dont care apart from when they are terrible and then they are just annoying.
Brand new character in an NPC corp telling me that he is from Goons and can he have 500 million to join them.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2834
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:27:00 -
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If the rules permit it, it is fair game.
The rules do, therefore it is. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
126
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:29:00 -
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First page life lesson (RL and in-game) kiddies, so gather round:
If you're ever talking to someone, anyone, and they utter the words "trust me" you are about to get scammed, cheated and left without.
You can trust me on that |
Mascha Tzash
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:34:00 -
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Is there a line where you call it profit from lazy/greedy players and beyond that a scam?
My little trading alt (side project for fun) is about to hit the 100mil mark from trading only (never fired a shot) from his 5000 starter ISKies. Did I scam people? I wouldn't say so. I charged them for their lazyness.
The thing with margin trading is somewaht debatable in my view but the basic rule "if it looks to good to be true then it is too good to be true" (ergo a scam) applies in de facto all cases.
I fell to a pretty obvious scam and learned from it. So I basically paid pixel monies to learn something I can also apply in real life. It's somewhat of a win-win. |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
310
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:40:00 -
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Whilst legit play they are annoying.
Especially since most of the spam in Jita, Dodi etc is only really going to fool new players. There is always the block option of course.
I prefer Hek, most of the local conversation is posting killmails with comments like "look at the officer crap this idiot fitted" or asking stuff like "does anyone want to duel my Abbadon" .
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10461
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:50:00 -
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Scams are good. Unless theyre bad, in which case theyre still kinda good. Kinda like Sex or Pizza.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
127
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:54:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Kinda like Sex or Pizza.
I personally like Sex and Pizza...... Just stay away from those Sex with Pizza people. They nasty...........and scam alot. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19653
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:57:00 -
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On the sidelines, smugging it up. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
16786
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:57:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Kinda like Sex or Pizza. I personally like Sex and Pizza...... Just stay away from those Sex with Pizza people. They nasty...........and scam alot. I'd have thought that pizza burns would prevent the latter for most non sado masochists. |
Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
145
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:06:00 -
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I'm totally fine with scamming. In fact, I encourage clever scamming. Put some thought into it, make it elaborate. Make the tears run thick.
I've been scammed. Once. Lost a billion ISK. Up front, looked like a good deal. All seemed reasonable. Looking back on it, it was pretty obvious. I accept it, that's life. I can make it back in no time.
What I don't like are the 'scams' that are spammed 23.5/7 in busy systems. The people who fall for those are the uninformed. AKA. Rookies/Newbies. People who are likely to quit after losing any real amount of ISK.
It hinders the growth of the game and crushes any real live trade in the hub systems.
Props to CCP for going in and cleaning out on occasion, but something more permanent needs to be done there.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19654
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:12:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I'd have thought that pizza burns would prevent the latter for most non sado masochists. Pizza burns? But in the latest Top Gear, they demonstrated that pizza was an excellent heat shield. I'm so confused now.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Hal Morsh
The Witch's Hammer
68
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:21:00 -
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I tossed 2 mill at an isk doubler for entertainment, and a creative explanation on how I broke the rules.
He won't tell me D: I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
1941
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:25:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Kinda like Sex or Pizza. I personally like Sex and Pizza...... Just stay away from those Sex with Pizza people. They nasty...........and scam alot.
pizza "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
SabotNoob
Sabot Industries
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:26:00 -
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My first thought was that this can't be good for the game, driving away customers that would pay money, etc.
But EVE has been going strong for 11 years now so I guess they're doing something right?
I've never been scammed so I guess I can say that without really relating to scam victims... |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
16789
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I'd have thought that pizza burns would prevent the latter for most non sado masochists. Pizza burns? But in the latest Top Gear, they demonstrated that pizza was an excellent heat shield. I'm so confused now. +1 for Top Gear reference. Pizza burn is when you bite into that delicious smelling, fresh out of the oven pizza and scorch and blister the roof of your mouth with the cheese that's as hot as the sun, and then spend the next few hours teasing the flap of tissue from the burst blister with your tongue. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1241
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:30:00 -
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Send me your forum post and I'll double it. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
128
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:33:00 -
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Scams are OK if victim is given full information.
Problem is margin scams.
Margin scams are a grey area because victim cannot see that a buy order does not have enough isk to cover it - thats unfair. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
16789
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:36:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Scams are OK if victim is given full information.
Problem is margin scams.
Margin scams are a grey area because victim cannot see that a buy order does not have enough isk to cover it - thats unfair. Margin trading scams rely on stupidity, drunkeness or greed, I know this because I've been caught by one though being both drunk, and greedy. Lesson learnt, I don't play drunk, often, and now diligently research anything that looks too good to be true, 99.999999% of the time it's a scam.
They're easy to avoid, all of the information required to figure out that A: the item(s) you purchased are way over market value, and B: that the buy order is also way over market value is readily available ingame. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4254
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:37:00 -
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If it's okay by CCP then it's okay by me. Not that I have a lot of choice in the matter if I want to play this game.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3893
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Posted - 2014.02.26 23:39:00 -
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As a reputable isk doubler of some note, I am against scamming. However, as a tireless advocate of the sandbox, I fully support scammers being free to carry out their operations. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
97
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:06:00 -
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Props for being able to pull one off. I <3 Boobees
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Orlacc
625
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:26:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:I typically don't stand when I play.
When I do stand, it's over there.
Jeff "Measure Twice, Cut Once." |
Jelly Fat
Greedy Bastards
9
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:28:00 -
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There I stand. I am a professional Fedo Breeder.
Buying high pedigree Fedos since 2013 |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1555
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:28:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:I typically don't stand when I play.
When I do stand, it's over there. Jeff
Jeff indeed!
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |
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