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mup Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:00:00 -
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Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores? |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
264
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:51:00 -
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Maybe the demand for oxygen isotpoes is higher?there are three caps that use it compared to the other racial isotopes and one of them is a very popular dread (moros). I don't know just a geuss |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
109843
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:09:00 -
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mup Deninard wrote:Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores?
It makes the fuel for Gallente stations, which I gather are the least "popular".
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
264
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:33:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:mup Deninard wrote:Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores? It makes the fuel for Gallente stations, which I gather are the least "popular". well, that was my geuss. I have no idea then
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1219
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:mup Deninard wrote:Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores? It makes the fuel for Gallente stations, which I gather are the least "popular".
that is not correct, they are really popular for moon mining and reactions GRRR Goons |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
109883
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:26:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:mup Deninard wrote:Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores? It makes the fuel for Gallente stations, which I gather are the least "popular". that is not correct, they are really popular for moon mining and reactions
They are the least popular. I did not say that nobody uses them.
And since moon mining (all they have bonuses for is Reactions) is only possible in .3 or less, they are hardly used at all in high sec.
Whatever dude. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1219
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:45:00 -
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based on tower sales in jita the gallente large tower is the most popular, followed by the caldari large
the gallente small and medium towers are the most popular in their respective size.
there may be more caldari towers out there, mainly because they hardly ever get destroyed but the gallente towers are the highest in demand. GRRR Goons |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
109888
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:50:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:based on tower sales in jita the gallente large tower is the most popular, followed by the caldari large
the gallente small and medium towers are the most popular in their respective size.
there may be more caldari towers out there, mainly because they hardly ever get destroyed but the gallente towers are the highest in demand.
Lets see this list of tower sales in Jita then.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1219
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:59:00 -
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there you go:
http://imgur.com/2UPnp2T
the SVR value is not perfect to compare sales. it's not perfect since it does not count absolute sales but rather how long it takes to build what is sold in a day. however, you can use it to compare sizes with each other since build costs and build times scale linear
about prices:
not everything in eve makes sense. GRRR Goons |
Dave Stark
4449
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Posted - 2014.03.02 15:15:00 -
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mup Deninard wrote: is it still better to mine than hisec ores?
What answer did the very simple mathematical calculations tell you? |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110019
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Posted - 2014.03.02 16:15:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:mup Deninard wrote: is it still better to mine than hisec ores? What answer did the very simple mathematical calculations tell you?
Helpful as usual. What an a**. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
mup Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.02 16:29:00 -
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Well thanks for your replies. Seems like a multitude of reasons for the low price but was hoping to hear that it was just a temporaryllullin prices. Yes dave stark I took your advice and did some calculations. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110037
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Posted - 2014.03.02 16:45:00 -
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mup Deninard wrote:Well thanks for your replies. Seems like a multitude of reasons for the low price but was hoping to hear that it was just a temporaryllullin prices. Yes dave stark I took your advice and did some calculations.
Just bear in mind that with some minimal ice mining, combined with your own PI products, means a fortune in Fuel Blocks way over and above just "mining". I have not mined ore asteroids in well over a year. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1559
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Posted - 2014.03.03 05:25:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Maybe the demand for oxygen isotpoes is higher?there are three caps that use it compared to the other racial isotopes and one of them is a very popular dread (moros). I don't know just a geuss
You never know what will happen 3-6 months down the road.
Might come a day when some of those new, larger structures we haven't seen yet will need "fuels"... as was suggested in one early Dev Blog concerning the future of Rubicon and whatever else happens post-Rubicon.
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Marsan
Caldari Provisions
212
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Posted - 2014.03.03 23:52:00 -
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Also I wonder if there are still random stockpiles being sold out, and guys based in Gal space due to the interdiction after effects. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
935
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Posted - 2014.03.04 00:13:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and the one quoting it.
The rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2594
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:20:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Gilbaron wrote:based on tower sales in jita the gallente large tower is the most popular, followed by the caldari large
the gallente small and medium towers are the most popular in their respective size.
there may be more caldari towers out there, mainly because they hardly ever get destroyed but the gallente towers are the highest in demand. Lets see this list of tower sales in Jita then. Also, if they are, then what is your reasoning for the low price of Blue Ice/Oxy Iso ????? Let's hear it. I mean...that's the point of this thread. The only time it was most valuable was when it was Interdicted. Just to elaborate on the other answer to this - Here are the large tower sales from the beginning of feb to date in the forge region (obtained from eve-marketdata): Cal1347 Gal1324 Ama595 Min521
So the Gallente tower certainly sells well. High sec towers are indeed more likely to be Caldari, but more high sec towers are kept offline when not in use or just set to hold a moon. 24/7 towers (the ones that burn the most fuel) will more often than not be in low/null and run to pump materials from moons, since they generally provide passive income over and above the fuel costs.
As for the price, I'd propose the following. Oxygen isotopes are very popular, and have been for a long time. For this reason, people have set up to mine more oxygen isotopes. Many ice miners are likely to stick to single areas, rather than moving every time the price fluctuates a bit, stockpiling in the worst of the troughs. So I'd expect it's simply a high supply-lower demand issue. They don't seem to have dipped to a shockingly low price.
Really the question should be "What is prompting the spike in price for the other isotopes" to which I'd suggest "War" as the answer. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
mup Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:04:00 -
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Makes sense thanks |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:03:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:mup Deninard wrote:Well thanks for your replies. Seems like a multitude of reasons for the low price but was hoping to hear that it was just a temporaryllullin prices. Yes dave stark I took your advice and did some calculations. Just bear in mind that with some minimal ice mining, combined with your own PI products, means a fortune in Fuel Blocks way over and above just "mining". I have not mined ore asteroids in well over a year.
You mean doing a stupid amount of PI and ice mining generates wealth? Why I never...
Of course it's not like you could just sell the products of either..... |
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
67
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:29:00 -
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I would like to point out that the law of Supply and Demand doesn't really care what is most popular vs what is least popular. The onlly thing that matters is the balance between production and consumption.
If more isotopes are produced than consumed, the price can be expected to go down. If more are consumed than produced, the price can be expected to go up.
So you tell me that oxygen isotopes are the cheapest. That doesn't tell me whether the Gallente towers and capital ships are the most popular, or least popular, or somewhere in between. What it does tell me is that there are more ice miners in Gallente space than are needed to fulfill the current demand.
This balance is temporary, of course. If the prices stay this way for a while, you can expect some miners to leave Gallente space and produce a different isotope. That will put upward pressure on the price of Oxygen, but downward pressure on the price of whatever new isotope they are making. Then prices will find a new equilibrium.
So the question is, do you want to be one of the people moving around to chase the highest profit, or will you accept lesser income for the convenience of staying where you currently are? |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110506
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:39:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:mup Deninard wrote:Well thanks for your replies. Seems like a multitude of reasons for the low price but was hoping to hear that it was just a temporaryllullin prices. Yes dave stark I took your advice and did some calculations. Just bear in mind that with some minimal ice mining, combined with your own PI products, means a fortune in Fuel Blocks way over and above just "mining". I have not mined ore asteroids in well over a year. You mean doing a stupid amount of PI and ice mining generates wealth? Why I never... Of course it's not like you could just sell the products of either.....
No thanks for that bad advice.
In the batches I produce (12,000 blocks), for about 135M ISK more than the raw product sales total.
So no, in my case selling the individual products would be idiotic. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1227
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Posted - 2014.03.06 23:11:00 -
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shhht, don't tell anyone how to make sweet sweet ISK :D GRRR Goons |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2608
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:17:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:No thanks for that bad advice.
In the batches I produce (12,000 blocks), for about 135M ISK more than the raw product sales total.
So no, in my case selling the individual products would be idiotic. I somehow feel this is an exaggeration, since the total sale price of the whole batch would be under 200m, which would mean that the sale of the items would at most net you 65m, making the markup for fuel over 200%, which it is not. Is this another of the "Ice i mine is free" profit calculations? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110534
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:23:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:No thanks for that bad advice.
In the batches I produce (12,000 blocks), for about 135M ISK more than the raw product sales total.
So no, in my case selling the individual products would be idiotic. I somehow feel this is an exaggeration,
Feel it all you want.
In fact, go feel yourself.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2608
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:01:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:No thanks for that bad advice.
In the batches I produce (12,000 blocks), for about 135M ISK more than the raw product sales total.
So no, in my case selling the individual products would be idiotic. I somehow feel this is an exaggeration, Feel it all you want. In fact, go feel yourself. Lol, nice rage. And good job at a counterpoint. Should we take your lack of meaningful response to mean you were talking out of your ass? Or are you standing by your "I make 200% profit on ice, yet can't afford to do more than peasant batches"? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2014.03.12 14:51:00 -
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Ignore him. if you just count PI taxes from your HiSec PI as costs for your calculations to produce Fuel Blocks, you of course make wonderful profits and won eve It's like those guys who still produce ships according to the old BPO values. No, I don't talk about stockpiles. I know one of them, but I don't tell him because I like counting the days until he recognise it by himself |
Hamarr Stedi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:22:00 -
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In addition to the Serpentis nullsec regions, the ice belts in the very heavily PvE Drone Regions is Blue Ice. That probably has a lot to do with keeping the supply of Oxygen isotopes high and prices low.
Nullsec Regions: Amarr Ice: 8 Caldari Ice: 8 Gallente Ice: 13 Minmatar Ice: 12 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110539
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:57:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: yet can't afford to do more than peasant batches"?
Did I say how many batches of 12,000 I make in one day ?
Nope. I did not. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:15:00 -
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WOW, why am I not surprised you are wasting 10 slots per day for just making 135M ISK. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2608
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:06:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: yet can't afford to do more than peasant batches"? Did I say how many batches of 12,000 I make in one day ? Nope. I did not. Zomg you are correct you must make hundreds of peasant batches a day! Therefore your ridiculous notion of over 200% profit margin on a T1 item that is incredibly commonly produced must be correct!
So what do you spend all your isk on? Since you obviously must be one of the richest players in the game. Being generous and saying a fuel block sells for 18k that means you are taking 81m of material and turning that into 216m of product. In turn, maximizing your BPO output and manufacturing them solidly on 10 queues, you'd earn 80b isk pure profit per character per month. Seems strange to me that someone with that level of income would ragequit whenever their POS gets attacked. It also seems strange that being a T1 item that literally anyone can produce that you would have no substantial competition collapsing the margin.
Since you clearly are a manufacturing guru though, how about you shed some light on the subject. Please give us a grand display of your genius by showing us how you can calculate such a high margin on such a widely produced item. When you get to the bit that says "this costs nothing since I mined it", all will be explained. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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