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Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:54:00 -
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well im very well used to use a BC for L3s and i have had experience with BSs in L4s, but i dont have the money to cover a new BS for now so i wanted to know if with the las rebalances it has been viable to use a BC to do L4 misions....i know the Drake can get a large buffer with only 2 shield extenders but how about armor ships? and what would be the wanted TDPS for that?
for example this Harbinger fit:
[Harbinger, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin I x5 Hammerhead I x5
625 DPS with hammerheads , the nos module well i dont know if it works with rats but uniwiki says rats have infinite cap or something like that
the other is:
[Prophecy, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Hobgoblin I x5 Hammerhead I x5 Ogre I x3 Warrior I x3 Valkyrie I x5
518 with ogres, is the most it gets...
another option i was looking was using an ABC:
[Oracle, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
but im worried that the Oracle doesnt survive, specially against frigate rats.....
i can fly all T1 subcaps but wanted to cover amarr ships first, could one of those work for L4s? or should i just save some money for an BS again?, need to optimize the isk.....
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
820
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Posted - 2014.03.02 02:19:00 -
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The oracle will take a lot of knowledge to keep alive. Prophecy I have used for L4s, its fine.
Though my setup had a cap booster, sentry drones and 2 omnis.
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Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:14:00 -
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but the repping would be enough? im worried about the damage.....should i go with a double repping setup?, it would gimp my DPS but would allow me to tank the rats...... |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
1101
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Posted - 2014.03.02 08:01:00 -
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Run level 3s until you can afford a battleship. You'll make more money running 3s in a BC than you will running 4s in a BC that can only just barely break the tank on rats. |
Kabal Farcanal
Divine Insanity
0
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Posted - 2014.03.02 08:03:00 -
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My advice its : Dont use a BC in lvl 4 miss Its waste of time and in eve, time = isk
But if you dont have a Bs use a bc harby will do a nice job
1 rep 1adaptive and hardners for rats type dmg
Pulse weps cap rechargers rigs for cap also and with guns and rep on you should be ok. |
Boomhaur
195
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Posted - 2014.03.02 08:48:00 -
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You can run LV4's in a BC but it's not exactly what you would call fast. I used to do it in a Drake, than a Nighthawk years ago before they did all those changes to HML's and to those ships. I can tell you it was quite slow, but I was able to swap to FoF missiles than walk away and make a sandwhich and come back to resume mission running. That was my only perk of not flying a BS now that I look back.
If your skills are good you can make more money in lv4s than lv3s even in a BC. If your skills are bad-acceptable than I stick with lv3s. Realistically though a BS will be a big step up in performance for lv4's so if you can rush through a bunch of lv3's and pick up a BS. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
37
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Posted - 2014.03.02 09:34:00 -
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ive run some missions in an oracle fitted with tachyons. it can be done for some missions but not all. you need an mwd and after arriving in the first room you have to burn away from the rats. if you get webbed you lose your ship. if you manage to get 100km away from the rats the rest is easy.
but that was before the mjd was invented so its much more easy now to do the same with a battleship |
Haoibuni
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
50
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Posted - 2014.03.02 10:47:00 -
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You don't have Tech 2 scout drones in your setup so presumably you don't have the skills for them.
I would get Tech 2 scout drones and Drone Interface 4 (3 if your confident) before doing a Level 4, cos if you screw up and have to bail out quickly, you need to be able to kill the frig that is scamming you asap.
Plenty of BC's can tank L4's they just won't have quite the DPS of a BS so will do it slower eg 1hr or more that a high skilled guy in a pimped ship does in 10-15mins. |
GordonO
Shaltanacs
44
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Posted - 2014.03.02 19:47:00 -
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Join a proper corp that can help you out with a BS. Also go run some lvl 4's with another player and keep the salvage and you will very quickly have enough for a bs.. Shaltanacs-á is recruiting.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4133069#post4133069 |
Gimme more Cynos
Du nervst geh sterben
144
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Posted - 2014.03.02 20:42:00 -
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Fit an MJD if you're affraid to lose your ship. That's your get out of jail card. |
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Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2014.03.02 23:10:00 -
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no more L4s for now, just lost an armageddon a few minutes ago doing The Blockade 4..........thanks for the responses, but guess im not ready for this yet..... |
Arean Proktor
Chilli Joe
0
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:19:00 -
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Do it in safemode next time. Get another player who can save ur *** in case u screw up.
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Alice Ituin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:40:00 -
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Don't use a geddon for l4s. Apoc with micro jump drive and beams is much better for a new player. Jump out and shoot stuff as it burns towards you. Not really the fastest way to do l4s but definitely the safest way. (apart from bringing some friends)
Yes, you can do L4's with a BC but you need reasonable skills and (what some of the vets often forget) some experience. If you shoot the triggers too soon or make other piloting mistakes you will die. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
375
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:34:00 -
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I have run level IVs in both the Ammar BC.
The Prophecy is a touch slow and struggles with the bigger ones but survives OK its a brick. If you don't mind sticking to the "easier" IVs and taking at least 50% longer to complete a Prophecy can manage it.
The Harbinger on the other hand truly sux at level IVs its not up to at all. Do not do it. if you are flying a Harbinger you are better off blitzing level IIIs. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
330
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:06:00 -
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Alice Ituin wrote:Don't use a geddon for l4s. Apoc with micro jump drive and beams is much better for a new player. Jump out and shoot stuff as it burns towards you. Not really the fastest way to do l4s but definitely the safest way. (apart from bringing some friends)
Yes, you can do L4's with a BC but you need reasonable skills and (what some of the vets often forget) some experience. If you shoot the triggers too soon or make other piloting mistakes you will die. This , and the blockade is a tough one for a low sp battle ship. Especially the one you used. Avoid the score as well, simple if you know it, you would struggle with it if not. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
GordonO
Shaltanacs
44
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:11:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:no more L4s for now, just lost an armageddon a few minutes ago doing The Blockade 4..........thanks for the responses, but guess im not ready for this yet..... How weer you fit ? Also use the test server if you want to see if your fits are going to work.
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Batelle
HOMELE55
2039
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:34:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:no more L4s for now, just lost an armageddon a few minutes ago doing The Blockade 4..........thanks for the responses, but guess im not ready for this yet.....
It is a rather notorious mission... "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:54:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:no more L4s for now, just lost an armageddon a few minutes ago doing The Blockade 4..........thanks for the responses, but guess im not ready for this yet..... How weer you fit ? Also use the test server if you want to see if your fits are going to work.
highs:
mega modulated pulse energy beam x5
meds:
100mn AB II Cap Recharger x3
lows:
Larger armor repairer II armor EM Hardener II armor Thermic Hardener II Adaptative Nanoplating II DDA II x3
rigs:
Large Energy Collision Acelerator I Large CCC I x2
guess i needed more tank, a double repping setup should have been better...... |
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:33:00 -
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If you are having that much trouble with level 4's (I saw your post in the WH forum, and it mentioned losing several BS's), the best thing to do would be to avoid any blockade, extravaganza, Assault, or similarly difficult mission, at least for the moment.
I'm not big on Drone BS's, so I can't give much advise on a geddon fit, but I would say to try using a MJD. A friend of mine who I helped out for a while was able to run level 4's successfully in a Rokh I loaned him when he was about 2 months old. His completion times were not especially great, but the MJD reduces risk as you can just warp out when in trouble.
If you are losing multiple BS's, to the point that you can't afford to replace them, you are doing something wrong. I've lost one BS in my 2 years of mission running. (A Raven on Attack of the Drones - I don't like looking at guides until after I've done a mission, and the spawns on that one were an amusing surprise... My drones were out when I triggered all 4 spawns at almost the same time.) |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
381
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Posted - 2014.03.04 00:46:00 -
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Victoria Thorne wrote:If you are having that much trouble with level 4's (I saw your post in the WH forum, and it mentioned losing several BS's), the best thing to do would be to avoid any blockade, extravaganza, Assault, or similarly difficult mission, at least for the moment.
I'm not big on Drone BS's, so I can't give much advise on a geddon fit, but I would say to try using a MJD. A friend of mine who I helped out for a while was able to run level 4's successfully in a Rokh I loaned him when he was about 2 months old. His completion times were not especially great, but the MJD reduces risk as you can just warp out when in trouble.
If you are losing multiple BS's, to the point that you can't afford to replace them, you are doing something wrong. I've lost one BS in my 2 years of mission running. (A Raven on Attack of the Drones - I don't like looking at guides until after I've done a mission, and the spawns on that one were an amusing surprise... My drones were out when I triggered all 4 spawns at almost the same time.)
Edit: Or just stick with level 3's....
MJD means scrams are no longer deadly. Also sniping from range pretty much means only Guristas (World's Gurista room is nasty with low SP) and the odd cruise/torpedo special character like Zor can even hit you. |
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
824
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Posted - 2014.03.04 05:51:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:GordonO wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:no more L4s for now, just lost an armageddon a few minutes ago doing The Blockade 4..........thanks for the responses, but guess im not ready for this yet..... How weer you fit ? Also use the test server if you want to see if your fits are going to work. highs: mega modulated pulse energy beam x5 meds: 100mn AB II Cap Recharger x3 lows: Larger armor repairer II armor EM Hardener II armor Thermic Hardener II Adaptative Nanoplating II DDA II x3 rigs: Large Energy Collision Acelerator I Large CCC I x2 guess i needed more tank, a double repping setup should have been better......
You need to shoot the triggers last if you intend single repping a blockade (presuming you aren't deliberately shooting triggers first from a marauder). also any turret or droneboat user should always snipe elite frigates at range before they get close, so that you can warp out safely if your buffer starts to burn down too much.
You also need to shut sentry drones off if you are damped or jammed and a mouse over of the interface suggests they are shooting the trigger.
The trigger in blockades is usually the most valuable battleship, or a battleship that spawned away from the other battleships.
IMO double repping will not help if you let yourself get scrammed and shoot triggers until the dps is ovewhelming (ie blockade can be done with a myrmidon or a prophecy single repping with a medium repper if you learn the triggers). I also don't need a prop mod for blockades. As long as you have reasonable reach, there is no need to move. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
197
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:05:00 -
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I would advice against doing L4's in BC's.
While you can do them in BC's it is not very worthwhile undertaking in my opinion and you have to cherry-pick your missions. If the best ship available for me would be BC I would blitz L3's instead which should grant you about same income per hour or slightly better (depending on how good you are and how you fit) than doing L4's in solo BC. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
325
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:09:00 -
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I have used the below in L4s to great effect. It is cap stable. I burn off, kill the frigates first, then set your keep at range to 100km, and snipe from distance. Make sure you do not take missions against missile using NPC rats. You won't blitz missions with this, but you will run them about as fast a new player flying a BS.
[Tornado, snipe] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
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Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
14
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:56:00 -
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Alice Ituin wrote:Don't use a geddon for l4s. Apoc with micro jump drive and beams is much better for a new player. Jump out and shoot stuff as it burns towards you. Not really the fastest way to do l4s but definitely the safest way. (apart from bringing some friends)
Yes, you can do L4's with a BC but you need reasonable skills and (what some of the vets often forget) some experience. If you shoot the triggers too soon or make other piloting mistakes you will die.
Hmm...all I use is an Armaggedon for my L4's and it does just fine.
Here's the deal though.
You NEED sentry drones, they are NOT optional.
MJD + Sentry + Overtank if you're new at it.
Even then, watch your triggers and don't be afraid to skip missions you're not sure on. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc.
82
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Posted - 2014.03.05 01:10:00 -
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i think it was already covered but i will say it either way.
First with blitzing l3 u can probably make better money when u r only able to fly a bc. 2nd if u want to run l4 with a smaller ship i have used the ishtar in l4 to great advantage. The tornado was a fun ship to fly with an mwd and arties in l4's too but that i only did out of boredom.
And somebody above said something about the geddon, it is useable but i would probably either aim for the navy geddon or apoc. But thats me who doesnt like to ignore a boni |
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