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Jodi Bong
Forsaken Enigma
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Posted - 2014.03.02 15:01:00 -
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So I'm sitting here looking at different types gear. Noting the differences in each, Ships, Ammo, Mods, Ect....
We all know that the differences between T1 & T2 can be from marginal to quite large. For example T1 Cruisers vs T2
A T1 cruiser has its base traits, with T2 you get additional traits such as extended web or disruptor/scram range, better damage and tracking, as well as a nice bump in resists. Same goes for T2 mods and ammo they all have some sort of secondary effect weather good or bad..
Now as I look at the Mobile Warp Disruption Fields i.e bubbles there really isnt much of a difference in the T1 and T2 variants... Sure the T2 version of the bubbles cover a larger radius and can be deployed faster then the T1 version. but those are the only differences. The T2 bubbles take up just as much room in your cargo hold as a T1 and cost twice as much.. So to me the time and area differences are not that much of a " Bonus " concidering the time you spend training to be able to deploy them.
T2 Bubble also have no true secondary effect as almost all the rest of the T2 gear does
So here are the changes in which I personally would like to see made to these wonderful and overlooked pieces of deployable goodness..
We all know that these bubbles warp disrupt your ship. What if the T2 version of this also webbed the ship? Now i'm not talking about an 85% or 90% web effect but like a 50-65% reduction in speed or disallows the use of a MWD
T2 Warp disruption bubbles as they currently are in game Using a large for purpose of example Volume: 585 m3 Anchoring delay: 240.00 s Warp Disruption range: 40.00 km
Changes I propose Large T2 Bubble
Volume: 350 m3 Anchoring delay: 300s Warp Disruption range: 40km Speed Reduction 55%
As you can see I've lowered the volume size of this bubble to make it easier for a Cruiser/BC hull to carry them but increased the anchoring delay slightly
Now as for Manufacturing the new bubbles not much would change with the exception of now you would need to add a Stasis webifier into the mix only slightly raising the cost for production.
Also you may have noticed I changed the phrase Warp Scramble Range to Warp Disruption Range the reason for this is quite simple. In game these lovely bubble are called Warp Disruption Fields and as such they disrupt the warp drive of the ship(s) with-in its radius. Also as we all know these Bubbles do NOT warp scramble. A warp scrambler not only scrambles the warp drive of a ship but also disallows the use of an MWD, which these bubbles do not do..
Which brings me to my next point. What about a new variant called the Mobile Warp Scramble Field? A warp scrambler fitted to a ship has the capability to not only stop a ship from warping but also disabling the use of the MWD prop mod as well as having extra points of warp scrambling. But this comes at a cost of reduction in range. Thus the new Mobile Warp Scramble Field would have a smaller radius of area effect the the Disruption Field.
T1 Large Warp Scramble Field
Volume: 585 m3 Anchoring delay: 480s Warp Scramble Range: 13.25km Disables Micro Warp/Jump Drives: True All other attributes same as the Mobile Warp Disruption Field Skill Requirement: Same as the Mobile Warp Disruption Field
T2 Large Warp Scramble Field
Volume: 300 m3 Anchoring Delay: 300s Warp Scramble Range: 20.50km Disables Micro Warp/Jump Drives: True All other attributes same as the Mobile Warp Disruption Field Skill Requirement: Same as the Mobile Warp Disruption Field
Of course the numbers for a small and medium version of these would have to be worked out as I only used the large as an example of what could be done..
I welcome any feed back the Eve community might have on this subject. I can feel the flaming and trolling coming on, but if you could please keep to the subject on hand I know everyone would be thankful... |
s bromz
Knights of Azrael Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.03.02 15:20:00 -
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i like this idea i would love to see changes to the t2 bubbles they don't benefit in any way other than slightly bigger but with the current interceptor changes im not sure if they would even help out in slowing those guys down . |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
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Posted - 2014.03.02 16:25:00 -
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Make them gravity bombs. Same size but rather than warp disruption they web every ship in the field. That which can warp does so a bit faster, most evrrything else is screwed. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2029
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:15:00 -
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worst idea ever "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Jodi Bong
Forsaken Enigma
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Posted - 2014.03.02 18:52:00 -
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Batelle wrote:worst idea ever
Please do tell why you think this.... I know trolling, Flaming and disagreeing with someone is the norm for topics like this. But if you are going to disagree or think its a bad idea then PLEASE for the love of all things internet space ship be able to give at least some what of a reason for why you think its a bad idea or why you disagree.
Unless you just lack the thought process to make a complete sentence let alone form a proper opinion on something
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Jodi Bong
Forsaken Enigma
13
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Posted - 2014.03.02 18:57:00 -
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Mike Voidstar wrote:Make them gravity bombs. Same size but rather than warp disruption they web every ship in the field. That which can warp does so a bit faster, most evrrything else is screwed.
Nice concept, Maybe something like that could be made for a bomber to launch out of its bomb launch... I could see a use for this or better yet use this idea as a form of T2 interdiction probe |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2014.03.02 23:21:00 -
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Just so you're aware, the instant EVE gets bubbles that knock out MWD and MJD is the same instant that regular bubbles become obsolete. |
Jodi Bong
Forsaken Enigma
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Posted - 2014.03.03 00:34:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Just so you're aware, the instant EVE gets bubbles that knock out MWD and MJD is the same instant that regular bubbles become obsolete.
Maybe not... T1 is and always will be the cheapest and easiest to get and make... not to mention if you are just using them as a stop gap to keep a hostile fleet away or even tied down AKA rage caging a POS.. but then again there is always that chance |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2530
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Posted - 2014.03.03 02:03:00 -
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Jodi Bong wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Just so you're aware, the instant EVE gets bubbles that knock out MWD and MJD is the same instant that regular bubbles become obsolete. Maybe not... T1 is and always will be the cheapest and easiest to get and make... not to mention if you are just using them as a stop gap to keep a hostile fleet away or even tied down AKA rage caging a POS.. but then again there is always that chance
Price is not a balancing method.
Cover a gate in these things and there's no way in at all. Guess what they're going to be used for? |
Tsobai Hashimoto
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
205
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Posted - 2014.03.03 03:17:00 -
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55% web on all ships? Sounds pretty op to me.... Maybe 10% lol a nice Lil buff |
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scarify ardonn
The First Kiss
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:38:00 -
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I-çve deployed more than 1000 bubbles, I am master sabre pilot, but....
but, this is stupidest idea ever.
:-)
Ok, I will tell you why Jodi
Difference between T1 and T2 bubbles is good, deploying T2 small or medium bubble doesnt make sence, but large T2 bubbles are good. You can cover with them whole gates or POS. So they are worth it to train.
Your idea is stupid, because you are probably very bad camper and you cant catch anything in bubbles, and you are just whining. Bubbles are fine, I love them, but people should have opportunity to escape and you should realize the anchoring of your epic-web-scrambler-T2-bubble on gate would be a LITLE BIT noobish :-D Did you even think about how to escape from your new bubble? No, you didnt.
Keep your feet on the ground, when your head's in the clouds and learn how to catch people in bubbles with current mechanic. |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
366
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:47:00 -
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The only thing that T2 should have : - you just deploy them , and within 1 ; 2 ; 3 ( based on size ) minutes they become online. - reduction skill need for all deployable bubbles ( new mobile structures are not so demanding , why mobile bubbles still are?)
This is the only buff they need.
Edit : - 55% web when jumping into the system with a ceptor. Nice buff for ceptor taxi -=Constellation Wide Trade Hubs=- |
Jaro Essa
Dahkur Forge
10
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Posted - 2014.03.03 09:13:00 -
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Jodi Bong wrote:Now as I look at the Mobile Warp Disruption Fields i.e bubbles there really isnt much of a difference in the T1 and T2 variants... Sure the T2 version of the bubbles cover a larger radius and can be deployed faster then the T1 version. but those are the only differences. The larger radii of the T2 bubbles is nothing to be sneered at. A T1 large bubble covers 78,000 cubic km of space, whereas a T2 large bubble covers roughly 268,083 cubic km of space, more than 3.4 times as much coverage for less than 3 times more money (at current prices). |
Hottspitta jR
Knights of Azrael Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.03.03 10:00:00 -
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Bubbles that have stats to perform different roles kinda sounds like a neat idea. It's a shame people just glimpse over the very first few things you say and disregard that your not saying that one t2 bubble should be able to stop everything.
The idea of having a T2 bubble with a small radius that shuts down MWD/MJD drives but not big enough to cover gates sounds cool. Although maybe it would need to have a restriction so it isn't possible to spam abuse them. Hottspitta jR / Harbinger'of'Life |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:29:00 -
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It would be about the most ridiculosly OP thing ever, as would bubbles that shut down MWD and MJD. Bubbles alreday make catching ships essentially EZ mode outside of a few specialized types. |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
406
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Posted - 2014.03.03 12:14:00 -
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Making it easier to lock people out of nullsec/pockets/stations/etc is not good for the game. All it would do is make the current highsec/nullsec split even more static.
I'd love to see an overhaul to bubbles to make them more tactically varied (granted, I have no clue how to do that), but they most assuredly do not need buffs in any form. - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2033
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:45:00 -
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Jodi Bong wrote:Batelle wrote:worst idea ever Please do tell why you think this.... I know trolling, Flaming and disagreeing with someone is the norm for topics like this. But if you are going to disagree or think its a bad idea then PLEASE for the love of all things internet space ship be able to give at least some what of a reason for why you think its a bad idea or why you disagree. Unless you just lack the thought process to make a complete sentence let alone form a proper opinion on something
Its neither trolling nor flaming since I sincerely meant what I said.
They would be OP as ****. I agree its a cool idea and gives t2 bubbles unique functionality, but that pales in comparison to how broken these would be. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Jodi Bong
Forsaken Enigma
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Posted - 2014.03.05 01:06:00 -
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scarify ardonn wrote:I-çve deployed more than 1000 bubbles, I am master sabre pilot, but.... but, this is stupidest idea ever. :-) Ok, I will tell you why Jodi Difference between T1 and T2 bubbles is good, deploying T2 small or medium bubble doesnt make sence, but large T2 bubbles are good. You can cover with them whole gates or POS. So they are worth it to train. Your idea is stupid, because you are probably very bad camper and you cant catch anything in bubbles, and you are just whining. Bubbles are fine, I love them, but people should have opportunity to escape and you should realize the anchoring of your epic-web-scrambler-T2-bubble on gate would be a LITLE BIT noobish :-D Did you even think about how to escape from your new bubble? No, you didnt. Keep your feet on the ground, when your head's in the clouds and learn how to catch people in bubbles with current mechanic.
Lets see were to start with this one....
We all know that you can cover entire gates with a Large T2 as well as a POS. Thats not the point of this thread As far as your personal attack on me it makes no difference for this post weather in my 8 years of living in null sec if I have or have not been able to catch people with a bubble. The fact is I've cought quite a few. As far as a way to escape the changes in this thread they are very simple...
YOU HAVE TO SLOW BOAT or you use an afterburner.. These are not huge bubbles. So getting out of them shouldn't pose to much of an issue. I mean they would be smaller then a Lvl4 HIC bubble and maybe just a bit larger then a Dictor bubble..
These changes would not affect any ship that is Nullified, i.e Ceptors and T3 with proper sub-systems. So i'm not talking about changing any of the current game mechanics only bringing a new variant into the game or adding a true secondary effect to whats currently in place The new variant as I said would be smaller then the T1 bubble that is currently deployed in game. Yes you could limit the amount of these units you can deploy with in a given area like a gate or system...
I agree that the stats would have to be played around with to make the warp scramble version viable.. The reason for this post wasn't meant to be about a new variant. The main reason for this thread was to talk about the possablitiy of bringing a secondary effect to whats already in game. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
279
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Posted - 2014.03.05 01:09:00 -
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Maybe if it was a timed mobile structure with a somewhat smaller radius and limitations on where it can be deployed |
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