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Lemon Nado
Gallentinos
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:06:00 -
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I was in a .6 System mining.... Retriever, nothing in the ore hold.... I noticed a small venture coming in and flying by. Next thing two guys show up and blow me up. wtf... One guy had -9 security.... I am not whining.... just thought there is police, or concord or something above .5.... What gives??? Once they shot at me, I could not even hit the jump button so quickly I blew up... Is that concord thing a myth??? System was Raneilles....
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3235
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:11:00 -
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CONCORD guarantee consequences, but they do not guarantee safety.
If you are un-docked, your ship and pod can be destroyed. |
Lemon Nado
Gallentinos
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:18:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:CONCORD guarantee consequences, but they do not guarantee safety.
If you are un-docked, your ship and pod can be destroyed.
I thought that pirates cannot get past the gates into highsec with such a low standing... And that the risk of being ganked is almost nill in above .5... So the documentation is shmockumentation.... I get it....
Really... how do they get in when they are not supposed to be able?!
Now I have two kill rights.... I don;t even know what to do with that 8))).... I heard I can give them away.... Anyone want two kill rights???
L...
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Sarpy Aranori
Cosmos To Chaos
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:20:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CONCORD guarantee consequences, but they do not guarantee safety.
If you are un-docked, your ship and pod can be destroyed. I thought that pirates cannot get past the gates into highsec with such a low standing... And that the risk of being ganked is almost nill in above .5... So the documentation is shmockumentation.... I get it.... Really... how do they get in when they are not supposed to be able?! Now I have two kill rights.... I don;t even know what to do with that 8))).... I heard I can give them away.... Anyone want two kill rights??? L...
Anyone can enter high sec, but with -5 sec status it's hard to stay in the same place for an extended period of time without being jumped by the NPC police. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
654
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:20:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:I thought that pirates cannot get past the gates into highsec with such a low standing... And that the risk of being ganked is almost nill in above .5... So the documentation is shmockumentation.... I get it....
Fly a well tanked Procurer until you are comfortable with game mechanics. And make sure to train for a T2 tank first, before training for T2 mining crystals.
Remove insurance. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3777
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:22:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:I was in a .6 System mining.... Retriever, nothing in the ore hold.... I noticed a small venture coming in and flying by. Next thing two guys show up and blow me up. wtf... One guy had -9 security.... I am not whining.... just thought there is police, or concord or something above .5.... What gives??? Once they shot at me, I could not even hit the jump button so quickly I blew up... Is that concord thing a myth??? System was Raneilles....
Well does sound like a whine to me.
To clarify
0.5 or up have CONCORD.
CONCORD punishes, it does NOT protect. It's easy to kill people even in 0.8 before CONCORD shows up if you know what you are doing.
MIning in an retriever IS asking for a gank.
Venture was warp in point for the gankers.
-5 or lower sec status...well, you SHOULD watch local, could have seen him in local you SHOULD have watched D-scan, you could have seen him coming.
So basically, you are just whining that CONCORD didn't save you. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Lucas Padecain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
5
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:24:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CONCORD guarantee consequences, but they do not guarantee safety.
If you are un-docked, your ship and pod can be destroyed. I thought that pirates cannot get past the gates into highsec with such a low standing... And that the risk of being ganked is almost nill in above .5... So the documentation is shmockumentation.... I get it.... Really... how do they get in when they are not supposed to be able?! Now I have two kill rights.... I don;t even know what to do with that 8))).... I heard I can give them away.... Anyone want two kill rights??? L...
It's not that they can't enter the system, it's that the faction police in that system will chase them around and can blow them up if they're caught. CONCORD will only come when there's been an unlawful act of aggression and will destroy the culprit. However, the security status of the system also plays a factor in this. The time from the act of aggression to CONCORD showing up gets longer the lower the security status. In a 0.5 system it's somewhere around 20 seconds if I remember right, with a 1.0 system being a matter of a few seconds.
Just remember, people can go into whichever system they want to want to and nothing will stop them. But, based on standings and security status, their activities/movements within those systems can be hampered. Nobody is ever "truly" safe when they're undocked. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3777
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:24:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CONCORD guarantee consequences, but they do not guarantee safety.
If you are un-docked, your ship and pod can be destroyed. I thought that pirates cannot get past the gates into highsec with such a low standing... And that the risk of being ganked is almost nill in above .5... So the documentation is shmockumentation.... I get it.... Really... how do they get in when they are not supposed to be able?! Now I have two kill rights.... I don;t even know what to do with that 8))).... I heard I can give them away.... Anyone want two kill rights??? L...
LEARN the mechanics.
CONCORD punishes for non legal offences, it's called being CRIMINAL flagged.
Being lower then -5 just means you are a legal target to anybody, NPC navy hunts you (NPC Navy =/= CONCORD) and most of all, you get a big fat flag on local chat so EVERYBODY can see you entered local, it's called being OUTLAW flagged.
They are 2 TOTALLY different things. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
208
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:37:00 -
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To clarify even further, the lowers you go in sec .9-.5 the more time it takes concord to respond. If I remember right, concord will respond faster in a 1.0 system with more ships then a .5 system Its been YEARS since I have tested this though.
And concord has to warp to the pilot, your -9 can jump around and it will take concord time to respond. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
208
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:40:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CONCORD guarantee consequences, but they do not guarantee safety.
If you are un-docked, your ship and pod can be destroyed. I thought that pirates cannot get past the gates into highsec with such a low standing... And that the risk of being ganked is almost nill in above .5... So the documentation is shmockumentation.... I get it.... Really... how do they get in when they are not supposed to be able?! Now I have two kill rights.... I don;t even know what to do with that 8))).... I heard I can give them away.... Anyone want two kill rights??? L...
right click the kill right and select 'sell kill rights' this will give bounty hunters a chance to kill the guys who got you. If they are -.9 this is not necessary, but for future reference. Also don't sell them for an ungodly amount, if you want them used, sell it for a price that good for a hunter to grab but might make an alt of the dude with the bounty take pause before buying |
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Lemon Nado
Gallentinos
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:48:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Lemon Nado wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CONCORD guarantee consequences, but they do not guarantee safety.
If you are un-docked, your ship and pod can be destroyed. I thought that pirates cannot get past the gates into highsec with such a low standing... And that the risk of being ganked is almost nill in above .5... So the documentation is shmockumentation.... I get it.... Really... how do they get in when they are not supposed to be able?! Now I have two kill rights.... I don;t even know what to do with that 8))).... I heard I can give them away.... Anyone want two kill rights??? L... right click the kill right and select 'sell kill rights' this will give bounty hunters a chance to kill the guys who got you. If they are -.9 this is not necessary, but for future reference. Also don't sell them for an ungodly amount, if you want them used, sell it for a price that good for a hunter to grab but might make an alt of the dude with the bounty take pause before buying
Thx for the advice. And no... no whining here. Just was surprised because I interpreted what I read incorrectly. I thought that the patrols at the jump gates would instantly take care of anyone flagged.... This actually leads to interesting new avenues for my alt 8)....
So, one can warp in, then hit and run... I got it. I'll sell the kill rights for one ISK lol...
Btw... I took my covert into that area and it seems that Concord DID engage. The place was full of them. And at least one of the punks got it according to wreck information. lol...
I did not quite get what ship type sank me...... But I blew up in less than a second... splat...
Thanks for all the info. A little less noob!
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:57:00 -
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Look up the guys that you have killrights on on eve-kill.net if you're curious about the ships they were flying.
Also, warping away from CONCORD is technically doable but currently against the EULA, iirc. |
Lemon Nado
Gallentinos
1
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:01:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Lemon Nado wrote:I was in a .6 System mining.... Retriever, nothing in the ore hold.... I noticed a small venture coming in and flying by. Next thing two guys show up and blow me up. wtf... One guy had -9 security.... I am not whining.... just thought there is police, or concord or something above .5.... What gives??? Once they shot at me, I could not even hit the jump button so quickly I blew up... Is that concord thing a myth??? System was Raneilles....
Well does sound like a whine to me. To clarify 0.5 or up have CONCORD. CONCORD punishes, it does NOT protect. It's easy to kill people even in 0.8 before CONCORD shows up if you know what you are doing. Mining in an retriever IS asking for a gank. Venture was warp in point for the gankers. -5 or lower sec status...well, you SHOULD watch local, could have seen him in local you SHOULD have watched D-scan, you could have seen him coming. So basically, you are just whining that CONCORD didn't save you.
Na... really no whining... I thought there is something like a 'god ray' hahaha.... Instant Concord in the face.... Hey.... my first time...
I was an ignorant idiot....
I saw them in local..... : Oh look.... someone is flagged! How funny.... But not on grid.. so who cares....
Then there was the venture.... Look a little ducky floating behind me.... maybe we wants to see which cool ore I am after....
And..... the golden FAIL.... I did not D-Scan... I felt to safe there.... They were probably 150 out and warped onto the ducky right into range.
BLAM BLAM BLAM...
HA....
Next time I have a cloaked surprise cake ready for the party. One learns 8))))
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
654
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:08:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:Na... really no whining... I thought there is something like a 'god ray' hahaha.... Instant Concord in the face.... Hey.... my first time...
I was an ignorant idiot....
I saw them in local..... : Oh look.... someone is flagged! How funny.... But not on grid.. so who cares....
Then there was the venture.... Look a little ducky floating behind me.... maybe we wants to see which cool ore I am after....
And..... the golden FAIL.... I did not D-Scan... I felt to safe there.... They were probably 150 out and warped onto the ducky right into range.
BLAM BLAM BLAM...
HA....
Next time I have a cloaked surprise cake ready for the party. One learns 8))))
The only time I was ganked more than three years ago, I could have prevented it. Gankers weren't ready yet, but scout was already sitting in belt. I was very curious and wanted watch it happen though . Still a cheap lesson . Remove insurance. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3778
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:10:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:J'Poll wrote:Lemon Nado wrote:I was in a .6 System mining.... Retriever, nothing in the ore hold.... I noticed a small venture coming in and flying by. Next thing two guys show up and blow me up. wtf... One guy had -9 security.... I am not whining.... just thought there is police, or concord or something above .5.... What gives??? Once they shot at me, I could not even hit the jump button so quickly I blew up... Is that concord thing a myth??? System was Raneilles....
Well does sound like a whine to me. To clarify 0.5 or up have CONCORD. CONCORD punishes, it does NOT protect. It's easy to kill people even in 0.8 before CONCORD shows up if you know what you are doing. Mining in an retriever IS asking for a gank. Venture was warp in point for the gankers. -5 or lower sec status...well, you SHOULD watch local, could have seen him in local you SHOULD have watched D-scan, you could have seen him coming. So basically, you are just whining that CONCORD didn't save you. Na... really no whining... I thought there is something like a 'god ray' hahaha.... Instant Concord in the face.... Hey.... my first time... I was an ignorant idiot.... I saw them in local..... : Oh look.... someone is flagged! How funny.... But not on grid.. so who cares.... Then there was the venture.... Look a little ducky floating behind me.... maybe we wants to see which cool ore I am after.... And..... the golden FAIL.... I did not D-Scan... I felt to safe there.... They were probably 150 out and warped onto the ducky right into range. BLAM BLAM BLAM... HA.... Next time I have a cloaked surprise cake ready for the party. One learns 8))))
Ooh more fun
You will lose the miner...and give them rights to kill your cloaked surprise.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
654
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:15:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:Btw... I took my covert into that area and it seems that Concord DID engage. The place was full of them. And at least one of the punks got it according to wreck information. lol...
Sure, Concord gets them always. There is no escape from that anymore. If one knows how to escape them, it's considered an exploit and he might get a ban for trying it.
Lemon Nado wrote:I did not quite get what ship type sank me...... But I blew up in less than a second... splat...
Probably Catalysts.
If you want to know more about it, this is a good source. Remove insurance. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2187
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Posted - 2014.03.04 22:43:00 -
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In 0.6, CONCORD arrive after 16 seconds, IIRC.
If you survive that 16 seconds, the gank fails. If you do not, the gank succeeds.
Compare that to RL police response times - I don't think police would respond inside 16 seconds to an RL assault that happened outside a police station. CONCORD are pretty good at their job. (Not to mention they always get the right person) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Lemon Nado
Gallentinos
1
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Posted - 2014.03.04 22:56:00 -
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Ooh more fun
You will lose the miner...and give them rights to kill your cloaked surprise. [/quote]
I fear you're right..... lol |
Jared Lennox
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
13
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Posted - 2014.03.04 23:21:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CONCORD guarantee consequences, but they do not guarantee safety.
If you are un-docked, your ship and pod can be destroyed. I thought that pirates cannot get past the gates into highsec with such a low standing... And that the risk of being ganked is almost nill in above .5... So the documentation is shmockumentation.... I get it.... Really... how do they get in when they are not supposed to be able?! Now I have two kill rights.... I don;t even know what to do with that 8))).... I heard I can give them away.... Anyone want two kill rights??? L...
Never have you been so wrong my friend.. Besides activating the killrights wouldn't do anything because they are already below -5 which means they are kill on sight targets if they are caught. You would just give them a material to laugh at even more. :))
The only thing you can do against ganking, first acquiring a MP or tank your ship and stay at your keyboard.
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
Vila eNorvic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.03.04 23:36:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:-9? You can remove them from their ships without Concord retaliation everywhere in highsec. No killrights required. Though they will get killrights for you then. No.
You only get kill rights if you are attacked illegally and don't shoot back. |
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
273
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Posted - 2014.03.05 00:28:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Also, warping away from CONCORD is technically doable but currently against the EULA, iirc.
Uh, no, its not doable. Going GCC in high sec prevents you from warping. The reason that escaping concord is against the EULA is that you have to exploit a bug to do so.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3778
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Posted - 2014.03.05 00:35:00 -
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Vila eNorvic wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:-9? You can remove them from their ships without Concord retaliation everywhere in highsec. No killrights required. Though they will get killrights for you then. No. You only get kill rights if you are attacked illegally and don't shoot back.
They however DO get LE flags on you. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3778
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Posted - 2014.03.05 00:36:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Also, warping away from CONCORD is technically doable but currently against the EULA, iirc.
You do know that CCP patched that out A LONG time ago.
Escaping CONCORD isn't possible without exploiting the system. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
100
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Posted - 2014.03.05 00:40:00 -
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Lemon Nado wrote: Next time I have a cloaked surprise cake ready for the party. One learns 8))))
One is about to learn another lesson :)
If you want a better bet than trying to stop them by shooting at them, mine in a Procurer instead, or fit a cheap logi ship and have it remote rep you. You just have to survive a few seconds. They will pick another target, unless they are looking for fun.
All you need to do is make them pick someone else. You don't need to fight (and you'll lose if you do). |
Rob Kashuken
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.03.05 01:20:00 -
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Ah, learned something from this thread...
Warped into a 0.6 system last night (trying my luck at lower sec systems outside of the newbie areas) and started mining in a venture, there were a few others in retrievers and ventures around, and rapidly found myself chatting with a navy Raven pilot whilst a few other larger ships appeared nearby.
Couldn't work out why I was the focus of so much attention then.... now I know. |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
100
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Posted - 2014.03.05 01:34:00 -
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Next time, say nothing and orbit the white knights at 500. It's fun. |
Vila eNorvic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2014.03.05 02:31:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Vila eNorvic wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:-9? You can remove them from their ships without Concord retaliation everywhere in highsec. No killrights required. Though they will get killrights for you then. No. You only get kill rights if you are attacked illegally and don't shoot back. They however DO get LE flags on you. Of course.
Anyone who is shot at is entitled to shoot back, whatever the circumstances. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
654
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Posted - 2014.03.05 05:18:00 -
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Vila eNorvic wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:-9? You can remove them from their ships without Concord retaliation everywhere in highsec. No killrights required. Though they will get killrights for you then. No. You only get kill rights if you are attacked illegally and don't shoot back. My bad. I need to stop carebearing I guess . Remove insurance. |
Frank Pannon
101
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Posted - 2014.03.05 07:27:00 -
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Lemon, you can check what killed you ingame in your combat log/losses. I also found your loss on zkillboard.com by entering your name in the top right corner.
Your loss may feel big now, but is actually quite minor, and you will see it later. It is good that you experienced loosing pixels with something that cheap. Only a small wound.
As other suggested, try mining in a more well tanked ship. You will sacrifice your yield, but gain survivability.
Keep an open and curious mind, and you will have fun and succeed in EVE. Good luck! |
Allas-Ruii
Beyond New Frontier
5
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Posted - 2014.03.05 08:35:00 -
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Rob Kashuken wrote:Ah, learned something from this thread...
Warped into a 0.6 system last night (trying my luck at lower sec systems outside of the newbie areas) and started mining in a venture, there were a few others in retrievers and ventures around, and rapidly found myself chatting with a navy Raven pilot whilst a few other larger ships appeared nearby.
Couldn't work out why I was the focus of so much attention then.... now I know.
A navy raven isn't going to gank you. In fact I would want a Navy raven to gank me, because I'm so whoring on that kill mail :P
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