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Johan Lightstrider
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:13:00 -
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dear diary,
There was a loot piniata raven that thought he was playing wow and "fitted his purple gear".
He proceeded to lose it to a suicide gank.
Later he got scammed for a second raven after he bought plex worth 1300 dollars again.
1. Wow that someone would invest 2600 dollars in an internet spaceship game where "dead is dead" 2. Well done to the gankers 3. Does the disclaimer/game warn about the perma death situation in eve. 4. Is there a disclaimer that informs new players that eve is about as trustworth as a somali pirate hooker. 5. Are there really people that would trust a stranger with 1300 dollars in ingame goods?
Has eve changed how we see the world and look at things? Yesterday I loled at the raven fit and the kill mail. Today I read the artikel and was surprised by the naivitee of the individual and the lack of knowledge of critical game mechanics. A few hours later i felt bad for the guy. My ingame character couldn;t care less ans is jealous of the scum and villany denizens that pulled of the gank and the scam. But my rl self is troubled by this thing.
We are not talking about 100 bucks here but 2600 dollars total. The isk was not created ingame but bought. Am I alone in having mixed feelings about this because of the large amount of RL cash involved?
Let the derp derp trolling begin :) |
Bumsicle Wedgie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:20:00 -
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Johan Lightstrider wrote:
Stuff.
A fool and his money, etc.
Also, what artikel are you talking about? I can't use Google, I'm banned.
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Kisey
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:04:00 -
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There was no RL money involved with either player interaction, guy wanted a shortcut so he bought a load of tokens then lost those tokens by not understanding the game at all. No different that pumping a bunch of money into an arcade machine (if people still remember those) and wiping on the first screen because you suck.
I'm not about to pity some dude who has a couple of grand to drop thoughtlessly on a game without doing a single bit of research but I do thank him for paying my subscription. |
Clio Fenatti
Tekniks
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:08:00 -
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Kisey wrote:There was no RL money involved with either player interaction, guy wanted a shortcut so he bought a load of tokens then lost those tokens by not understanding the game at all. No different that pumping a bunch of money into an arcade machine (if people still remember those) and wiping on the first screen because you suck.
I'm not about to pity some dude who has a couple of grand to drop thoughtlessly on a game without doing a single bit of research but I do thank him for paying my subscription.
you were the recruiter? can i has your autographs? |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
573
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:08:00 -
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Bumsicle Wedgie wrote:......... I can't use Google, I'm banned.
You lucky, lucky bastard.
Also.........
People lose money gambling all the time.
Sounds like this idiot likes to gamble with internet spaceships instead of in a casino.
Net result was about the same....... Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Kisey
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:10:00 -
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Clio Fenatti wrote:Kisey wrote:There was no RL money involved with either player interaction, guy wanted a shortcut so he bought a load of tokens then lost those tokens by not understanding the game at all. No different that pumping a bunch of money into an arcade machine (if people still remember those) and wiping on the first screen because you suck.
I'm not about to pity some dude who has a couple of grand to drop thoughtlessly on a game without doing a single bit of research but I do thank him for paying my subscription. you were the recruiter? can i has your autographs?
Sadly not, I've never scammed anyone. Too much ehonour |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
813
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:18:00 -
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Bumsicle Wedgie wrote:Johan Lightstrider wrote:
Stuff.
A fool and his money, etc. Also, what artikel are you talking about? I can't use Google, I'm banned.
This one.
Also, a nice couple of RL threats on top of it. One would guess a RL lawyer would know better (not to mention proper grammar).... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 9
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Bumsicle Wedgie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:33:00 -
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Good lawd. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
573
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:44:00 -
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I think this just about covers it.........
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4065
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Posted - 2014.03.05 14:28:00 -
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Well, this is the 100th alod I've seen. I'd like to see him come out a big winner after all this. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
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MADDOG87 EIGHTSEVEN
Industrial Guard Constabulary
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Posted - 2014.03.05 14:46:00 -
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Shame he didn't re-fare to this prior to forking out all his RL cash https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_gank |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
588
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Posted - 2014.03.05 15:19:00 -
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Johan Lightstrider wrote:dear diary,
There was a loot piniata raven that thought he was playing wow and "fitted his purple gear". ...
The failing here isn't just Raven-WoW-reject's alone....its a tutorial or new user intro that doesn't clearly demonstrate to every new EvE player that they can (and will)...
be ganked be pirate-blapped when stepping into losec be trade scammed be tricked into entering a limited engagement with a pwnboat be awoxed be recruitment scammed etc...
All of which can happen non-consensually, if they dont learn to protect themselves
They should be told this up front, in clear terms.
Hmm...blog post in there somewhere.... Would you like to know more? |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
315
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Posted - 2014.03.05 15:26:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Well, this is the 100th alod I've seen. I'd like to see him come out a big winner after all this.
I feel a bonus room is coming on erotica :) |
Not Hiding
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.05 15:31:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Well, this is the 100th alod I've seen. I'd like to see him come out a big winner after all this. I feel a bonus room is coming on erotica :)
Erotica wishes he had this scam. But instead he is still a destitute plebeian. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
891
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Posted - 2014.03.05 15:54:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:I feel a bonus room is coming on erotica :)
This is why commas are important. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Johan Lightstrider
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
20
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Posted - 2014.03.05 15:55:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Johan Lightstrider wrote:dear diary,
There was a loot piniata raven that thought he was playing wow and "fitted his purple gear". ...
The failing here isn't just Raven-WoW-reject's alone....its a tutorial or new user intro that doesn't clearly demonstrate to every new EvE player that they can (and will)... be ganked be pirate-blapped when stepping into losec be trade scammed be tricked into entering a limited engagement with a pwnboat be awoxed be recruitment scammed etc... All of which can happen non-consensually, if they dont learn to protect themselvesThey should be told this up front, in clear terms. Hmm...blog post in there somewhere....
That was what I was thinking did this person follow the tutorial informing him of how evil eve is. Is there even a tutorial explaining this? I have not seen the tutorial voor the nooblets.
Then a gain dont let my corp see this cause my usual answer is "google it". Maybe someone should post a big screen with GOOGLE **** before you play eve:) |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
590
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:30:00 -
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so..this.
Note new Aura tutorial at the bottom.
F
Would you like to know more? |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
137
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Posted - 2014.03.05 19:42:00 -
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3 grand in real money is a bit harsh, to be honest. Not exactly peanuts.
Expensive lesson. |
Lina Drasselbaff
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.03.05 19:57:00 -
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Johan Lightstrider wrote:We are not talking about 100 bucks here but 2600 dollars total. The isk was not created ingame but bought. Am I alone in having mixed feelings about this because of the large amount of RL cash involved?
In terms of the money spent, there's slight sympathy.
In terms of his RL threats, mocking of Angry Mustache, inability to learn from his mistake, inability to learn what EVE is before or AFTER being shown what EVE is, and then voluntarily giving away his replacement ship without googling "eve scams", and generally being a massive dickhead. Nope, not even a tiny bit.
I await his forum thread demanding CCP nerfs the game to suit him. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
67
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:27:00 -
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I think this settles the question on whether or not PLEX makes EVE PTW. Clearly, that $3000 didn't let him win. |
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Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:53:00 -
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There's a major problem because CCP allows to convert money into ISK by PLEX or GTC. I don't think that an EULA of a gaming developer can defy general laws that someone's money can be taken by another one in a legit way. This means we have an exeptional situation when someone is using the mechanics to convert money to ISK. I know that many people don't want to hear that new people or people not knowing much about EVE will get too much information about the mechanics or bad things what might happen to them. But in my optinion there has to be a clear warning when people transfer money into the game by PLEX or GTC that they might risk to lose this money by losing stuff like getting killed even in hi-sec or getting scammed. With PLEX and their EULA CCP allows people to steal money in this case. If there wouldn't be a method to convert money into ISK they steal your time only. What finally means for sure: no noob will fly a 60 bil ship from the beginning or within the first years if he's not a hardcore Sanctum farmer in null-sec. And this would make a huge difference because when former noobs are flying a 60 bil ship some day they should be aware about the different faces of EVE. If not. Their problem. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2104
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:16:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:There's a major problem because CCP allows to convert money into ISK by PLEX or GTC. I don't think that an EULA of a gaming developer can defy general laws that someone's money can be taken by another one in a legit way.
Well its a good think that ISK isn't money then. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2104
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:17:00 -
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Johan Lightstrider wrote:We are not talking about 100 bucks here but 2600 dollars total. The isk was not created ingame but bought. Am I alone in having mixed feelings about this because of the large amount of RL cash involved?
So he got scammed out of half a titan. Big deal. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:38:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:There's a major problem because CCP allows to convert money into ISK by PLEX or GTC. I don't think that an EULA of a gaming developer can defy general laws that someone's money can be taken by another one in a legit way. Well its a good think that ISK isn't money then.
Finally it's ISK but it's a difference if the source was time for the gameplay or just money. You simply can't fly a 60 bil ship as a beginner if you have to make ISK ingame. You will learn EVE by the normal way with some hard lessons and that a 60 bil ship is totally senseless to fly for missions in hi-sec. At the end you might learn that joining a null-sec corp will open you some fast ways to make billions in a few days or weeks in a simple t2 fitted Ishtar. It doesn't matter here that it's insane to invest $2600 in a spaceship game. Fact is that CCP doesn't warn these people that they will risk their money doing it this way and inform them about the usual mechanics like getting ganked or scammed. I am pretty sure that this is an interesting case for a lawyer. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16849
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:52:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:I am pretty sure that this is an interesting case for a lawyer. I'm pretty sure a lawyer would laugh at someone trying to make a case out if it. Simply put, there isn't one. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2197
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:23:00 -
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There is always a bigger idiot. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
289
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:32:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I think this settles the question on whether or not PLEX makes EVE PTW. Clearly, that $3000 didn't let him win. Question is if Eve is a pay to lose game or not.
Because all the stories I hear about someone buying a bunch of ISK through plexes end with it going badly for the buyer. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
122
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:57:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Batelle wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:There's a major problem because CCP allows to convert money into ISK by PLEX or GTC. I don't think that an EULA of a gaming developer can defy general laws that someone's money can be taken by another one in a legit way. Well its a good think that ISK isn't money then. Finally it's ISK but it's a difference if the source was time for the gameplay or just money. You simply can't fly a 60 bil ship as a beginner if you have to make ISK ingame. You will learn EVE by the normal way with some hard lessons and that a 60 bil ship is totally senseless to fly for missions in hi-sec. At the end you might learn that joining a null-sec corp will open you some fast ways to make billions in a few days or weeks in a simple t2 fitted Ishtar. It doesn't matter here that it's insane to invest $2600 in a spaceship game. Fact is that CCP doesn't warn these people that they will risk their money doing it this way and inform them about the usual mechanics like getting ganked or scammed. I am pretty sure that this is an interesting case for a lawyer.
Yes they do. Full legal disclosure is present in the EULA. Not their fault if you accept it without reading. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4076
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:59:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I think this settles the question on whether or not PLEX makes EVE PTW. Clearly, that $3000 didn't let him win. Question is if Eve is a pay to lose game or not. Because all the stories I hear about someone buying a bunch of ISK through plexes end with it going badly for the buyer.
There are many people who have not lost these ships yet, just flying around afk and such. It's sickening, I know. That's why we need your help in making highsec a better place. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2014.03.06 00:52:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Batelle wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:There's a major problem because CCP allows to convert money into ISK by PLEX or GTC. I don't think that an EULA of a gaming developer can defy general laws that someone's money can be taken by another one in a legit way. Well its a good think that ISK isn't money then. Finally it's ISK but it's a difference if the source was time for the gameplay or just money. You simply can't fly a 60 bil ship as a beginner if you have to make ISK ingame. You will learn EVE by the normal way with some hard lessons and that a 60 bil ship is totally senseless to fly for missions in hi-sec. At the end you might learn that joining a null-sec corp will open you some fast ways to make billions in a few days or weeks in a simple t2 fitted Ishtar. It doesn't matter here that it's insane to invest $2600 in a spaceship game. Fact is that CCP doesn't warn these people that they will risk their money doing it this way and inform them about the usual mechanics like getting ganked or scammed. I am pretty sure that this is an interesting case for a lawyer. Yes they do. Full legal disclosure is present in the EULA. Not their fault if you accept it without reading.
Really? Can't find it. Can you please show us where this is exactly mentioned?
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