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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4077
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Posted - 2014.03.06 01:13:00 -
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If that was true, they would just exclude your small island nation from eligibility to play surely. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
123
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Posted - 2014.03.06 01:24:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Batelle wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:There's a major problem because CCP allows to convert money into ISK by PLEX or GTC. I don't think that an EULA of a gaming developer can defy general laws that someone's money can be taken by another one in a legit way. Well its a good think that ISK isn't money then. Finally it's ISK but it's a difference if the source was time for the gameplay or just money. You simply can't fly a 60 bil ship as a beginner if you have to make ISK ingame. You will learn EVE by the normal way with some hard lessons and that a 60 bil ship is totally senseless to fly for missions in hi-sec. At the end you might learn that joining a null-sec corp will open you some fast ways to make billions in a few days or weeks in a simple t2 fitted Ishtar. It doesn't matter here that it's insane to invest $2600 in a spaceship game. Fact is that CCP doesn't warn these people that they will risk their money doing it this way and inform them about the usual mechanics like getting ganked or scammed. I am pretty sure that this is an interesting case for a lawyer. Yes they do. Full legal disclosure is present in the EULA. Not their fault if you accept it without reading. Really? Can't find it. Can you please show us where this is exactly mentioned? Accepting the EULA is one thing. But it doesn't mean that CCP's EULA doesn't breach the laws of my country.
Do the laws of your country allow you to sign contracts? Yes?
Show me on the doll where the law touched you... |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
54
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Posted - 2014.03.06 02:04:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Batelle wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:There's a major problem because CCP allows to convert money into ISK by PLEX or GTC. I don't think that an EULA of a gaming developer can defy general laws that someone's money can be taken by another one in a legit way. Well its a good think that ISK isn't money then. Finally it's ISK but it's a difference if the source was time for the gameplay or just money. You simply can't fly a 60 bil ship as a beginner if you have to make ISK ingame. You will learn EVE by the normal way with some hard lessons and that a 60 bil ship is totally senseless to fly for missions in hi-sec. At the end you might learn that joining a null-sec corp will open you some fast ways to make billions in a few days or weeks in a simple t2 fitted Ishtar. It doesn't matter here that it's insane to invest $2600 in a spaceship game. Fact is that CCP doesn't warn these people that they will risk their money doing it this way and inform them about the usual mechanics like getting ganked or scammed. I am pretty sure that this is an interesting case for a lawyer. Yes they do. Full legal disclosure is present in the EULA. Not their fault if you accept it without reading. Really? Can't find it. Can you please show us where this is exactly mentioned? Accepting the EULA is one thing. But it doesn't mean that CCP's EULA doesn't breach the laws of my country. I'll try to make this as easy as possible.
Crazy dude decides to spend 3,000$ for a few pixels on a screen. RL and its laws end exactly here: CCP offered him pixels, he paid and got the pixels.
He didn't RISK his money in any way. He SPENT his money. His money is now gone FOREVER, because re-converting pixels back to $ is not allowed.
Later, his pixels interacted with other pixels in a game called EVE. They did exactly what they were supposed to do.
If his pixels had failed to properly interact with other pixels, he could have asked for a reimbursment I guess.
But they sure did interact, right? |
ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
50
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Posted - 2014.03.06 02:38:00 -
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pretty sure im not the only one who added this guy into watchlist, ready for a 3rd round pinata bash RIP Iron Lady |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1200
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Posted - 2014.03.06 02:57:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote: Really? Can't find it. Can you please show us where this is exactly mentioned? Accepting the EULA is one thing. But it doesn't mean that CCP's EULA doesn't breach the laws of my country.
In no event shall CCP, its affiliates, licensors or suppliers be liable to you or to any third party for any special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive or exemplary damages (including without limitation, lost profits or lost data), arising out of or in connection with your Account, the System, Software, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, or any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, whether based on warranty, contract, tort or any other legal theory, and whether or not CCP is advised of the possibility of such damages, and even if any stated remedy fails of its essential purpose.
That, and:
You shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless CCP and its affiliates, licensors and suppliers, and their respective employees, contractors, officers and directors, from any and all claims, loss, damages and demands, including reasonable attorneys' fees, arising out of: (i) your use or misuse of the Software; (ii) your access to the System; (iii) any activities conducted through your Account (whether by you or another person); and (iv) your playing of the Game. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
101
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Posted - 2014.03.06 04:56:00 -
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Jimblidge > I come from WOW, that is a well-balanced game, not this.
Explains it all. |
Graabeerd Khagah
ImaNicePirate.com Ideal Society
121
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Posted - 2014.03.06 05:02:00 -
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For anybody who is insane enough to spend that kind of RL cash on a game ought to be shot. I don't care if this guy who claims to be a lawyer even knew what this community all about. Certainly his grammar and sentence structure told me right away what kind of education he has and it's shows in the transcripts.
But HOW in the name of the Empress did this person get into the situation he gotten into?? Did he buy from the Character Bazaar and proceeded to get in the game or what was he trying to cover up something that he doesn't want to reveal about why he did what he did?? I am almost certain from telling about his conduct he's very much a question mark in my system and even mentioning he came from WoW makes it more interesting. And then to be scammed by of all people, somebody from the GSF.
Gotta love those delicious tears!! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17012
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Posted - 2014.03.06 06:34:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:There's a major problem because CCP allows to convert money into ISK by PLEX or GTC. I don't think that an EULA of a gaming developer can defy general laws that someone's money can be taken by another one in a legit way. He gave his $3000+ to CCP in return for presumably PLEX, the moment he did so is the moment at which the money ceased to be his. He spent his money on temporary, virtual goods; ones, that while having an equivalent monetary real world value, have no actual real world value; because you can't resell them.
TL;DR He bought an internet spaceships sandwich, and then ate it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17012
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Posted - 2014.03.06 06:40:00 -
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double post |
Johan Lightstrider
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
20
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Posted - 2014.03.06 07:37:00 -
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Nice discussion going here. This is so very unlike the scum that frequent this dark damp corner of the station.
In my country the government limited the amount of lottery tickets a person could buy to 250 euros a day. To protect idiots from themselfs.
Anyway love that aura thingy 'that is the least of your problems' |
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
26
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Posted - 2014.03.06 08:28:00 -
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Im pretty sure its not $3000 has to be nearer $5000 as he must have clearly bought his character from the bazaar. All with plex. Frankly this reminds of the news story from august 2013 about Kimmy boy over in north korea having his ex girlfriend executed by firing squad (as you do...). My very public reaction to this news was to loudly complain that I too wanted to be an evil dictator. Its not fair I tell you. Its just not fair...
Wasting $5k on a video game? some people have too much money. Erotica 1: "I would create a massive pyramid scheme in Eve to show you what it is, but I'm an honest business person, so you'll just have to find education elsewhere. Start with the wiki link that was linked by a person who didn't even read what he linked." Theres a reason I play eve XD |
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
290
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Posted - 2014.03.06 09:32:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I think this settles the question on whether or not PLEX makes EVE PTW. Clearly, that $3000 didn't let him win. Question is if Eve is a pay to lose game or not. Because all the stories I hear about someone buying a bunch of ISK through plexes end with it going badly for the buyer. There are many people who have not lost these ships yet, just flying around afk and such. It's sickening, I know. That's why we need your help in making highsec a better place. True. But most of them are just plodding along like any other carebear trying to avoid interaction with other players.
I'm not away of any case where someone spent a large amount of cash on PLEX and had it turn out well for them. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2960
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Posted - 2014.03.06 09:46:00 -
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It's kinda funny to me, the people who pop up suggesting that he sue CCP for losing his pixels.
You can immediately tell who read their user agreement and who didn't.
Grr, lawsuits. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
297
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Posted - 2014.03.06 10:50:00 -
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Graabeerd Khagah wrote:For anybody who is insane enough to spend that kind of RL cash on a game ought to be shot.
Nah, its people like that who make OUR world go round. In after the lock :P -á - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies |
exotic chaser
7
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Posted - 2014.03.06 10:56:00 -
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I have spoken to this dude in game and does seem like a nice guy, I know he got scammed and blown up but that should be the end really> But for him its not as he is now getting hassle from others saying if he undocks they will hunt him down, lots of insalt's surely there should be a line between what is legal in eve and cyber bullying as i would class the hassle he is getting now as cyber bullying. CCP needs to draw a line some were and i hope they will stop all the added agro he is getting. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2961
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:04:00 -
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exotic chaser wrote:I have spoken to this dude in game and does seem like a nice guy, I know he got scammed and blown up but that should be the end really> But for him its not as he is now getting hassle from others saying if he undocks they will hunt him down, lots of insalt's surely there should be a line between what is legal in eve and cyber bullying as i would class the hassle he is getting now as cyber bullying. CCP needs to draw a line some were and i hope they will stop all the added agro he is getting.
You know what? For me, it's not about that he's basically a loot pi+¦ata. It's that he made irl threats, and expressed the willingness to carry them out.
That cannot be tolerated, not one little bit.
So all the "you guys are bullying him!" people can go jump in a lake. I genuinely hope that people chase him right out of this game. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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exotic chaser
7
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:08:00 -
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the threats was made from rage surely you would rage if this happend to you and maybe say things we cant take back. Did the mittani do the same at fan fest, should he be chased out of the game for what he said? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2961
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:11:00 -
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exotic chaser wrote:the threats was made from rage surely you would rage if this happend to you and maybe say things we cant take back. Did the mittani do the same at fan fest, should he be chased out of the game for what he said?
Mittens got a pretty hefty game ban for what he said, 30 days I believe. And people bring it up basically any time there is a discussion about him or involving him.
So, should it follow this guy any less?
Oh, and I wouldn't rage out if this happened to me. Firstly I'm not so vastly stupid as to fly ships fitted like that, and secondly I actually have a healthy disconnect between online and reality, so I don't rage over pixels. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Johan Lightstrider
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
20
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:12:00 -
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exotic chaser wrote:I have spoken to this dude in game and does seem like a nice guy, I know he got scammed and blown up but that should be the end really> But for him its not as he is now getting hassle from others saying if he undocks they will hunt him down, lots of insalt's surely there should be a line between what is legal in eve and cyber bullying as i would class the hassle he is getting now as cyber bullying. CCP needs to draw a line some were and i hope they will stop all the added agro he is getting.
2 things popped in my head while reading this.
1/ auwww knight in shiney armor :)
2/ your just setting urself up for a "can i haz ur stuffz when u quite?"
BTW I do not think anyway is trying to suggest he sues CCP.
The dude wanted to sue in a rage.
I think there is a large % of reactions that suggest ccp should at least use that epic text to warn peeps this isnt your average mmo. Maybe even with that drawing of the learning cure image embedded in the tutorial but pimped up. |
exotic chaser
7
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:13:00 -
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So if CCP did the same here and put a 30day ban on him, and then he cam back to play would you still want him chased out of eve then |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2961
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:19:00 -
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exotic chaser wrote:So if CCP did the same here and put a 30day ban on him, and then he cam back to play would you still want him chased out of eve then
Yep. Because of the 2, he is the worse offender.
Mittens said "kill himself" instead of "quit the game" because he was drunk. If he had said "quit the game", he'd have been completely in the clear. He also publicly apologized, and emptied his wallet (which was pretty goddamn big since he's the King of Space) to the guy.
This new guy was sober, and expressed his intent to hunt someone down in real life, with no remorse or remittance. That is unacceptable. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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exotic chaser
7
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:19:00 -
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2 things popped in my head while reading this.
1/ auwww knight in shiney armor :)
2/ your just setting urself up for a "can i haz ur stuffz when u quite?"
in fact this is not my reasons at all, when i was new i got scammed a few times, but not to this scale so i generly feel sorry for the guy and if he does stay in eve i would be willing to give up some of my game time to help teach him about the way eve works and help him train up right so he does not make the same mistake again. |
exotic chaser
7
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:24:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:exotic chaser wrote:So if CCP did the same here and put a 30day ban on him, and then he cam back to play would you still want him chased out of eve then Yep. Because of the 2, he is the worse offender. Mittens said "kill himself" instead of "quit the game" because he was drunk. If he had said "quit the game", he'd have been completely in the clear. He also publicly apologized, and emptied his wallet (which was pretty goddamn big since he's the King of Space) to the guy. This new guy was sober, and expressed his intent to hunt someone down in real life, with no remorse or remittance. That is unacceptable.
well his wallet has been emptied all ready so all he needs if the CCP ban and make a public apolagy while showing some form of remorce and regret for what he said then things would be sorted right?
As that's the vibe am getting from your statement
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exotic chaser
7
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:29:00 -
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I have said what i feel didnt want to take this convo as far as it has gone so am going to step away from it now. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
2961
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:30:00 -
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exotic chaser wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:exotic chaser wrote:So if CCP did the same here and put a 30day ban on him, and then he cam back to play would you still want him chased out of eve then Yep. Because of the 2, he is the worse offender. Mittens said "kill himself" instead of "quit the game" because he was drunk. If he had said "quit the game", he'd have been completely in the clear. He also publicly apologized, and emptied his wallet (which was pretty goddamn big since he's the King of Space) to the guy. This new guy was sober, and expressed his intent to hunt someone down in real life, with no remorse or remittance. That is unacceptable. well his wallet has been emptied all ready so all he needs if the CCP ban and make a public apolagy while showing some form of remorce and regret for what he said then things would be sorted right? As that's the vibe am getting from your statement
I can't speak for anyone but myself of course, but he's on my permanent **** list. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
55
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:36:00 -
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Johan Lightstrider wrote:In my country the government limited the amount of lottery tickets a person could buy to 250 euros a day. To protect idiots from themselfs. That's cute.
My country's government scams people too (lottery winnings are always laughably low compared to the odds), but they do it properly, no limits. |
Flybiere
F'n'F Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:57:00 -
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This conflicts me.
The guy is clearly a tool.
But he also clearly has problems.
For his family's sake don't make this a campaign. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
56
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:01:00 -
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exotic chaser wrote:I have spoken to this dude in game and does seem like a nice guy, I know he got scammed and blown up but that should be the end really> But for him its not as he is now getting hassle from others saying if he undocks they will hunt him down, lots of insalt's surely there should be a line between what is legal in eve and cyber bullying as i would class the hassle he is getting now as cyber bullying. CCP needs to draw a line some were and i hope they will stop all the added agro he is getting. Yeah, the 'in-game punishment' that he's getting because of a few silly words he typed in a couple of convos is arguably excessive.
But remember, it's the toon that's getting a virtual beating, not the guy behind the keyboard.
OTOH, the guy behind the keyboard could actually profit and/or get some fun out of the temporary EVE-wide popularity of his toon!
Think scams or wardecs, for example. He just needs to either ally with a bunch of more experienced and creative EVE players, or sell them the toon for ISK. Then sit back, get some popcorn, and enjoy being on the good guys' side. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
72
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:38:00 -
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exotic chaser wrote:I have spoken to this dude in game and does seem like a nice guy, I know he got scammed and blown up but that should be the end really> But for him its not as he is now getting hassle from others saying if he undocks they will hunt him down, lots of insalt's surely there should be a line between what is legal in eve and cyber bullying as i would class the hassle he is getting now as cyber bullying. CCP needs to draw a line some were and i hope they will stop all the added agro he is getting.
I have to laugh when I see this stupidity. You can't cyberbully Jimblidge. Jimblidge is not a real person. Jimblidge is an avatar in a video game.
Is he being harassed online out of game? Are people posting his IRL info? *Then* it is cyberbullying. If anyone did any fail cyberbullying, it was Jimblidge with his threats he made. People here are only threatening to blow up his internet spaceships, not IRL violence.
Get a grip. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17015
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Posted - 2014.03.06 14:08:00 -
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exotic chaser wrote:in fact this is not my reasons at all, when i was new i got scammed a few times, but not to this scale so i generly feel sorry for the guy and if he does stay in eve i would be willing to give up some of my game time to help teach him about the way eve works and help him train up right so he does not make the same mistake again. You can't fix stupid. Once is naivety, he thought he could play Eve the way he played WoW and that gear is everything. He was wrong.
Falling for the most publicised recruitment scam in the history of Eve almost immediately after? Having just lost a shitton of purple stuff, would you trust goons with x000 dollars worth of virtual assets without at least googling for info about them?
That's stupid, sorry I have no sympathy.
I got 99 problems being that guy ain't one. |
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