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Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2014.03.08 01:50:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:I am thrilled to hear that CCP wants us to be able to customize our ships. I understand that this is something of a first-step, and not representative of what the final product will look like.
That said, I thought we all agreed that AUR need to be given a swift death? Why are they being dredged up for use in painting ships?
Why does ship painting need to have a cost associated with it? I really like how we can customize our characters at will, for me it is one of the best features in EVE. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that painting our ships would be the exact same deal. Please don't introduce microtransactions here, just let us paint our ships as much and as often as we would like without charging for a paint job. THEN PAY WITH ISK (and learn to read) I'm seriously considering starting a running count of all the people who completely miss the point that they can also pay for these custom paint jobs using only ISK (and more ways to do so than one). However, I'm afraid that it would simply take too much time. What? I don't want to pay with ISK either I should have to pay ISK to buy ships and modules. I don't have to pay ISK to recustomize my portrait, and I shouldn't have to pay ISK/AUR to paint my ship. When was the last time you got your car painted for free? Every car I ever bought came with the paint included in the price.
If you went to your local Ford dealership to buy a car, would you find all the various models painted the same corporate colour with repaints in other colours available at 16 times the cost of the basic vehicle?
I think not.
I think you would find each model available in a range of standard colours at an inclusive price, with probably a few special finishes available at a modest premium that represents only a small fraction of the total price.
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Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2014.03.08 02:40:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:You do not have enough evidence to claim that "everyone" wants custom ship colours. Seriously, the forums represent a tiny portion of the player base. Even if everyone on the forums agreed that ship skins are a good idea, you don't know that this is representative of the whole population the forums are a self-selected, especially vocal portion of the community. If that were true then no consumer or political survey ever conducted would have any value. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:06:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:With this pilot project we would like to see if you are interested in ship skin paint, figure out the demand and if we should go ahead and spend more time in developing a full ship paint project. But that is exactly what the pilot project will NOT tell you.
The only concept which the pilot is assessing is how many players are willing to buy a paint job costing 16 times the price of the hull to which it is applied. That is a totally different issue.
If you dropped the price to 10% of what is currently suggested the take-up would obviously increase vastly and I would bet that your income from the scheme would be immensely greater.
But the bottom line is that this is entirely the wrong way to assess the demand for this feature. The right way would be a player survey, sent by e-mail to every customer, asking questions like:
Would you like to choose your ship colour?
Would you want the choice to be
a) applicable to individual ships,
or
b) applied to all your ships?
Are you willing to pay for this feature?
If the above answer is 'yes', what payment method would you prefer? (Followed by a list of options.)
What percentage of the cost of a typical T1 hull would you consider fair? (Using any appropriate conversion from the chosen payment method.)
Etc, etc. |
Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:21:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:The forums for a game are not a random sample of the population. Of course they are. How could they not be?
Mara Rinn wrote:Assuming that the forums are representative of the population is like assuming that everyone in the Gold Lounge is representative of people travelling by air. That is a ridiculous, arrogant and unsustainable comparison. |
Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:26:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:If it is going to cost more than 10% of the ships hull value; this project will fail miserably.
Only a tiny fraction of ships that will be put in harms way will be painted resulting in little to no movement. Ships that will not see real combat will get the one paint job and that's it. Again, no movement.
Lower the price CCP if you remotely desire this to see real use. Bling fit mission boats get blown up all the time. Then the same pilots will be flying a bling fit mission boat very soon after. There will be movement in bling skins, regardless of how expensive they are. 35B Paladin and 45B CNR kills tell you this is the case, and you already know it to be true. edit: In the monetisation of all the F2P games I've read about, there is the concept of a "whale". This is a person who will throw money at the game in order to get some sense of being "better" than other people playing the game. "Look! I have two cows to click and you don't!" I have no qualms about CCP milking cows. As you have seen in this thread, people have volunteered to spend billions of ISK on skins for ships which they expect to be flying for a significant period of time. There is no reason a skin shouldn't cost as much as the hull. Having said that, it would be nice if some crumbs could be dropped from the table of the super-space-rich elite, so that us common mortals could fly into combat flying aliastra derpatrons without significantly raising our FW ship budget. Don't get stuck in the way of thinking about ship skins as "it has to be one size fits all." I have outlined one crazy idea in my previous post, i.e.: an implant to set a custom colour scheme for all my ships, a paint-rig to change the colour of specific ships. I was surprised to read this, in view of your earlier comments about multi-run BPCs. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:35:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:8mill is not a crippling amount of isk, On a 500k hull? Of course it is - unless you're one of EVE's mega-rich.
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Also, no, asking people what they want will not reflect results as accurately as simply placing them out there. Putting your test case out there will always yield more accurate results and reach a wider sample than a survey will. It would show what is the best method to put out to trial, instead of the misconceived shot-in-the-dark we have in this pilot. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:46:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Email surveys are so Twentieth Century.
Oh, dear . . . here endeth all sensible discussion. |
Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2014.03.08 04:05:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:8mill is not a crippling amount of isk, On a 500k hull? Of course it is - unless you're one of EVE's mega-rich. No, it's really not. The vast majority of eve's population makes that up trivially. It doesn't really matter what the hull cost is since it's a luxury item and thus not aimed at people who only have the income to support T1 frigates in game. Why should it be a luxury item?
Tyberius Franklin wrote:You will run up against the fact that only a subset of people will answer the survey and the inherent likelyhood of false information both intentional and not. I can only reply as I did above:Oraac Ensor wrote:If that were true then no consumer or political survey ever conducted would have any value.
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.12 12:44:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:You will be surprised how much people will pay for custom paint jobs or modifications that do nothing but add a cosmetic touch the vehicle. I've seen -ú500 cars drive around with the best part of -ú10k in modifications on that do nothing for the performance of the vehicle Even if that were true, which I doubt, I'd bet any amount that they weren't entered in a destruction derby. |
Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:57:00 -
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Korendil wrote:You named it wrong and give a false impression. You read it (the blog) wrong and gained a false impression.
Read it again - properly (all of it). |
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Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2014.03.20 11:04:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:On the forums? Because people are still posting to the thread. They're ordered by last post, past the announcements at the top. No, he means on the Dev Blogs page. (Hence the link in his post ) |
Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2014.03.20 11:28:00 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:My god, two people have misread my post. Maybe I should use broken English next time. Am I to assume that you include me as one of them?
If so, then if you didn't mean on the forum or on the Dev Blogs page, what did you mean? |
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