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Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:25:00 -
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asteroidjas, my Hyperion is in that category. I intend to buy the BPC and hang onto it for the time being. I figure if they convert to fitting slots, they'll have to convert the BPCs to the socket item. (And convert the special ships to the standard ones with the skin item in the socket.) |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4965
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:32:00 -
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I'll buy that pink and white skin for my Widow for a billion ISK. Why the heck not?
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4965
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:34:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:not sure if asked but will the skin show up on kill mails?
That's what it says in the dev blog. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
The Slayer
Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:36:00 -
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Awesome first step CCP, glad to see ship skins finally landing. Must throw my voice into the "would like this as a module slot" count though, since otherwise how am I ever going to get my "1up Mushroom" themed Avatar? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4966
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:50:00 -
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asteroidjas wrote:Also, this is like trying to gauge the market interest of various colored balls, while only offering RED balls. What if someone doesn't like red, what if they like yellow, or green?
Here's how I figure it might have happened:
CCP Blue: "So, we want to test the waters with custom ship skins before we commit to the development work required to do it properly. Should we offer a sampler platter first?"
CCP Red: "Yup, sounds good."
[CCP Red digs around in database for a few minutes]
CCP Red: "There you go Blue, the most commonly lost battleships are Abaddons and Rokhs, so perhaps we should start with those?"
CCP Blue: "Sounds good, what could possibly go wrong?"
Here's how I would have done it:
CCP Flood: "But guys, why don't we start a Trebor style voting thing? List all the ships and get people to vote for their favourites, then pick the top four?"
[Time passes]
CCP Flood: "See! Everyone wants a custom yellow and black striped Dominix. That's what we should offer for the sake of testing the waters. And you already know what the most popular bling ships are."
CCP Drought: "Yeah, everyone in Lanngisi is flying officer-fit Machariels and CNRs. You reckon they'd buy this stuff?"
CCP Flood: "Yup. Make the Domibee a disposable option, five bucks a copy. Make the shiny platinum CNR 7000 Aurum. They'll lap it up."
CCP Drought: "Two PLEX for a ship skin?"
CCP Flood: "Never underestimate the depth of a player's wallet."
[Time passes]
CCP Drought: "We just made two million dollars on shiny platinum CNRs, and a few thousand on Domibees. What the hell?"
CCP Flood: "Yup. All the mission runner bruthas gotta honour their mothas. And we controlled the level of proletariat rage by offering them cake and circuses. You'll keep making a thousand a month off the combat skins, but the once a year replacement of bling skins are pretty much your bread and butter."
i.e.: note to CCP: if you want to make money, you go where the money is.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4966
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:52:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:Awesome first step CCP, glad to see ship skins finally landing. Must throw my voice into the "would like this as a module slot" count though, since otherwise how am I ever going to get my "1up Mushroom" themed Avatar?
Read the dev blog.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4966
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:54:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Just don't clutter up the market (add filters and such.)
WHOOP WHOOP!
They address both issues in the dev blog!
Of course the second issue is addressed in the seminal work by CCP Games, THIS IS THE SOUND OF THE SPACE POLICE! Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4966
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:07:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:PS: I really really really want to see some FW LP Store Skins!
Yup.
Would also be nice if NPC LP stores could accept Aurum in place of LP. So one price in LP + ISK, a difference price in Aurum + ISK. Get rid of the Noble Exchange, or move it to its own NPC faction with their own station.
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Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Knights of Vindication
54
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:12:00 -
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I really like the idea but the current method of implementation is not good at all. Why not just do like some here have suggested, maybe something like an insurance window with paintjobs that cost a certain amount of ISK, or something obtained through loyalty point stores. I know this isnt final for CCP but I do hope they change it. Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever! |
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:15:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Woop Woop!
CCP FoxFour wrote:Woop! Woop!
CCP Logibro wrote: WOOP WOOP!
CCP Falcon wrote:woop woop!
CCP Legion wrote: WOOP WOOP!
Look at all of these posers biting off Mr. G!!!
Where is the real thing?!? Free CCP Guard!!!! |
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Badden Powell
Future Dynamics
11
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:22:00 -
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Every time the topic of custom ship skins comes up, my knee jerk response is "paint all my ships orange with black racing stripes" in honor of my dearly departed Mustang (may she rest in pieces). The approach using BPC's for paint jobs isn't what i expected. But in the context of gathering information on interest in the project, it works as a first step. I look at the character creation tool, and how detailed it is and dream of that power applied to the painting of a ship. I'm not a programer, I don't know the first thing about how to make eve as it is now adapt to the possibility of every Tom, Richard (it wont let me use the short name), and Jane flying completely different colored spaceships. But it is a highpoint to aim for. That said, I love that the police comet is making a comeback. I'm seeing the price for the hull spike in forge region. this is your first data point for this experiment, market fluctuation of the Fed navy comet in anticipation of the new skin. I bought 3 just for that purpose |
Verner Aihaken
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:23:00 -
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Jurik McMoney wrote: I think pink ships will destroy any space ship atmosphere, so you should allow just those typical eve colours in all of it's dark directions and more less light directions.
I can't get the vision out of my head... I warp into an asteroid belt and it's crawling with pink miners. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
466
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:47:00 -
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Regarding prices on frigate ships at least: 8-10 million isk is a fairly steep price for a 5-6 million isk ship that is generally regarded as totally disposable. I would buy 1 or 2 of each as collectors items at that price, but the ships I undock to fight in would mostly be sporting the standard paint job.
You may want to cut the prices by a factor of 5-10 for frigates. It wouldn't be every ship, but I wouldn't balk at using a stack of rusty merlins for pvp. An extra million isk per ship on a stack of 20 ships is more overall movement than 10 million isk on a single hangar decoration. |
Kiela Paine
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
20
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:58:00 -
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i like it.
But what I'm hoping for is a more customizable feature in the future. The pre-determined ones are great, but I would really like to see custom ship skinning implemented in the manufacturing process, the only extra cost being perhaps some newly created item that is implemented into the game with said feature.
That way an individual or corporation who manufactures ships etc can add their own sort of flavor to the world of EVE! And furthermore, alliances can set up a color scheme for ships in their navy.
I understand that there are legacy coding issues for something that like that at the moment, but wouldn't that be grand? |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
845
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:08:00 -
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These paint jobs should probably be extremely cheap. If they cost the same as any of the T2 modules you'd be fitting to your ship (You could base the price of the skins on the price of that hull-size's weapon modules, for example) then I'd guess there wouldn't be many people who would undock without a paintjob.
Regardless, I don't know how you're going to accurately gauge interest in skins as a feature when the test-feature is nothing like what the end result would be. I know I'm not very interested in a Rokh covered in blotchy red spots or an Abaddon that looks like it was Plastidipped blue, but I'd go nuts if I could paint my Machariel* in a Sukhoi winter-dazzle theme :D (See this image).
Give me the ability to make my own skins and then apply them to ships for a reasonable amount of money (the cost of a module or two), and I'll almost never undock in an un-skinned ship again, I can promise you that.
*And by "my Machariel," I mean, "Every ship I own." |
Sieges
51
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:15:00 -
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This looks really cool. One question though: can we revert a paint job back to the original color if we want to? Like with a "Paint Job Removal BP"? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4967
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:18:00 -
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Verner Aihaken wrote:I can't get the vision out of my head... I warp into an asteroid belt and it's crawling with pink miners.
Pink care bear ships would be awesome, just for harvesting tears from the "elite PvPers" who take the dark, cold thing a bit too seriously. I'll be signing up for a Pink orca and a half dozen pink skiffs please! Just like the pink Scorpion that Caldari Prime Pony Club was joking with.
Anyone CCPer who says, "no pink ships," is oblivious to the trolling potential of such colours. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Vendetta Mercenary Group
3326
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:24:00 -
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Black Legion People.... a BLACK LEGION!!! "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
122
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:26:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:[CCP Red digs around in database for a few minutes]
CCP Red: "There you go Blue, the most commonly lost battleships are Abaddons and Rokhs, so perhaps we should start with those?"
CCP Blue: "Sounds good, what could possibly go wrong?" If this were true factsGäó this little discussion would have taken place in late 2011, wouldn't it? I like that thought for some reason, because I am very weird.
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
693
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:27:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:MeBiatch wrote:not sure if asked but will the skin show up on kill mails? That's what it says in the dev blog. It shows the new name of the ship, no mention of a change unless you know what you are looking at. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
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Sacu Shi
Up2-NoGood Intrepid Crossing
18
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:29:00 -
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Ill just leave this here...
and this...
but mostly this :) |
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S Northern Associates.
276
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:35:00 -
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CCP Xhagen wrote:Max Von Sydow wrote:Some quick questions about your plans for this.
What kind of limitations (if any) will there be? Will I we able to for example make a Khanid Interon V or an interbus Tengu?
Will the blueprints be ship specific? Ie, we'll have to buy a "Qafe Dominix" BP or would it be something more like a "Quafe Battleship" BP that can be used with any battleship?
How about a "skin slot" on ships. Instead of manufacturing a ship with a specific skin, we just create the skin as an item and then apply it to a ship of appropriate size. Ie, I buy a Thukker Mix Cruiser skin BP, produce some Thukker Mix Skins and then put one on my Legion, one one my Thorax and sell the rest on the market.
If we make a skinning system proper, we would have to go the route of "the thing that changes the color of your ship" is an item of some sort that can then be applied/fitted/affect to your ship. We will not continue with the BPC implementation as it is very limiting and unsustainable in the long run. I was thinking of something little different Depending on the number of different base colours on the primary skin, have this number of Slots on the fitting window each correlating to the base colours(shades of colours not included as they can be expressed as a variation of the base colour), and you can drop a paint item into each of them, to get different combinations of colours. Made them like rigs that you have to destroy them to remove them, and then sell the paint colours on the NEX Store. |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
122
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:01:00 -
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These are nice. But,.. T'Ambers greatest creation is sadly missing. Behold the *cough* Megathron. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4969
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:02:00 -
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*swoon*
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Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
91
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:07:00 -
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There are a few posts from Devs stating that this may not remain as an Aurum thing. And that they are thinking of other options.
This test is relatively pointless. I have LOTS of Aurum that I have never had the desire to use. I may use it for this. I may not. I WOULD use custom skins on my ships. I would buy countless skins over and over for corp ships. We would probably sink isk equal to the price of the fit ship on the skins for frigates at least.
This test will not show ANY of those figures. It will simply show how many people consider this the acceptable reason to waste their bank of Aurum.
Punisher is a Tech 2 Component. 2 mid brawler is not useful in today's game.
The skins need to be player designed. Cost ISK and/or materials to create a design. Cost less ISK / Materials to copy the design to use on a ship. Stop taking creation AWAY from the players. You keep saying "We have such a helpful and talented community".
Make things cost ISK. If people want more ISK than they can make in game, they will PLEX. You are watering down your own product (PLEX) with a counterfeit (AURUM).
Admiral of PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Chosen by God to serve the Empire. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5334
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:08:00 -
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Salpun wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:MeBiatch wrote:not sure if asked but will the skin show up on kill mails? That's what it says in the dev blog. It shows the new name of the ship, no mention of a change unless you know what you are looking at.
Quote:To reiterate, the only thing that changes is the color. All the stats will remain the same. Also, to state the obvious: When your painted ship is destroyed, wellGǪ then it is destroyed. Yes, this destruction will be supported in killmails. It's pretty clear to me that a kill mail will have the painted ships unique name (and market value) listed. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
934
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:14:00 -
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Does CCP have a way to monitor what will be the free AUR spent and what will actually be people paying for these with newly created AUR to see what kind of demand there is? I imagine the initial release is going to see a surge of purchases from people due to the free AUR on accounts but am wondering if that will be added to data making it look like people are willing to pay for items.
I guess you could just look at how much AUR is people buy, on which note...
FIX THE AUR PRICES IN ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT! It's been more efficent to just buy and convert a PLEX since forever! Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |
Cranky Wraith
Journal Juggling Scrap Scoundrels
2
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:17:00 -
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Is it too early to request Graffiti drones? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5334
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:20:00 -
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Ascentior wrote:There are a few posts from Devs stating that this may not remain as an Aurum thing. And that they are thinking of other options.
This test is relatively pointless. I have LOTS of Aurum that I have never had the desire to use. I may use it for this. I may not. I WOULD use custom skins on my ships. I would buy countless skins over and over for corp ships. We would probably sink isk equal to the price of the fit ship on the skins for frigates at least.
This test will not show ANY of those figures. It will simply show how many people consider this the acceptable reason to waste their bank of Aurum.
Punisher is a Tech 2 Component. 2 mid brawler is not useful in today's game.
The skins need to be player designed. Cost ISK and/or materials to create a design. Cost less ISK / Materials to copy the design to use on a ship. Stop taking creation AWAY from the players. You keep saying "We have such a helpful and talented community".
Make things cost ISK. If people want more ISK than they can make in game, they will PLEX. You are watering down your own product (PLEX) with a counterfeit (AURUM).
While it is true that many people will use AURUM they already have, the metrics generated on people purchasing new AURUM will tell them a great deal.
I'm sure they'd LOVE to be able to allow people to go crazy with designs, but there are many well documented technical (and social) issues that make that extremely problematic.
And finally, AURUM is simply a way to break PLEX down into smaller pieces in a manner that allows CCP to track how that particular revenue stream (for them) is being used in game very precisely. It will also facilitate (and offer a method of control) for future economic interactions with DUST. At our end using AURUM or ISK is essentially the same... at CCP's end it's a different story and serves a distinct purpose. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5334
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:24:00 -
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By the way, in case you haven't guessed, R1 approves.
Well done. A lot of careful thought, retrospection, and hard work went into this.
It's appreciated. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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