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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:59:00 -
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Hello
I'll try to keep this post brief.
As many of us are aware, limited edition reskins are already prevalent in EVE. While we have things such as the Inner Zone Shipping Imicus which is very inexpensive and common, we also have things such as the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, which is priced well into the billions.
In the interests of being a completely functional and choice laden feature, I think most of us want even those ships to be available under Ship Painting. However, there are collectors who spent an order of magnitude more ISK on the ships when they first came out, than they would on the ships under Ship Painting's equivalent costs.
How can we reconcile this?
- Should the LE ships be excluded from Ship Painting?
- Should they be priced under Ship Painting differently from their hull equivalents? (i.e. higher prices)
- Should they be offered at the same costs as their equivalent hull types, collectors be damned?
What do you think would be the best solution to the problem? Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:00:00 -
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I think LE patterns should be excluded from ship painting. Problem solved. The Ishukone Scorpion also has gimped stats IIRC. Not a forum alt.-á |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:01:00 -
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Anything more than one paragraph isnt brief!
And I guess the logo will still be different...
I honestly dont care about the limited edition ships or their value, I just wanna mess around with ship colours. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
560
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:02:00 -
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CCP clearly stated the Ishukone Scorp was never supposed to be rare, its a gift they intended to spam around to whoever they wanted. If someone paid a lot of money for one then tough luck for that person.
Coreli Corporation: Small gang PVP & Drug Production, Apply now! |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1050
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:02:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Hello I'll try to keep this post brief. As many of us are aware, limited edition reskins are already prevalent in EVE. While we have things such as the Inner Zone Shipping Imicus which is very inexpensive and common, we also have things such as the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, which is priced well into the billions. In the interests of being a completely functional and choice laden feature, I think most of us want even those ships to be available under Ship Painting. However, there are collectors who spent an order of magnitude more ISK on the ships when they first came out, than they would on the ships under Ship Painting's equivalent costs. How can we reconcile this?
- Should the LE ships be excluded from Ship Painting?
- Should they be priced under Ship Painting differently from their hull equivalents? (i.e. higher prices)
- Should they be offered at the same costs as their equivalent hull types, collectors be damned?
What do you think would be the best solution to the problem?
The Ishukone Scorpion was given out freely with the understanding that it was never intended to be a limited-edition ship, only a reward for people who contributed an outsize amount of content or community support to the game.
Unless CCP specifically says, "this is a limited edition ship," it's not a limited edition ship, and collectors should make their purchases with that in mind. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:02:00 -
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CCP doesn't care. If you invested in something that CCP now decides it wants to sell that to people cheap, well, welcome to EvE.
"Self help is all in your head" |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10621
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:06:00 -
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I cant wait for the trade hub painted ship scams to begin! ::tingles::
Also: Stealth ship painting thread is still ship painting thread. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2612
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:08:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I cant wait for the trade hub painted ship scams to begin! ::tingles::
Also: Stealth ship painting thread is still ship painting thread. why would you paint a trade hub on a ship |
Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:10:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I cant wait for the trade hub painted ship scams to begin! ::tingles::
Also: Stealth ship painting thread is still ship painting thread.
I swear to god it's a Widow! I just "renamed" it to "Scoprion Red and Black Edition" to be ironic! Not a forum alt.-á |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3042
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:16:00 -
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So, would you players be okay with the concept of offering these Limited Edition ships again through the painting store, without regards to the current rarity market enjoyed by what few have already been released? Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:20:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:In the interests of being a completely functional and choice laden feature, I think most of us want even those ships to be available under Ship Painting. However, there are collectors who spent an order of magnitude more ISK on the ships when they first came out, than they would on the ships under Ship Painting's equivalent costs. How can we reconcile this?
- Should the LE ships be excluded from Ship Painting?
- Should they be priced under Ship Painting differently from their hull equivalents? (i.e. higher prices)
- Should they be offered at the same costs as their equivalent hull types, collectors be damned?
What do you think would be the best solution to the problem?
Katrina Oniseki wrote:So, would you players be okay with the concept of offering these Limited Edition ships again through the painting store, without regards to the current rarity market enjoyed by what few have already been released?
The best solution is for collectors to suck it. Their value is based entirely on rarity and speculation, CCP is under no obligation to protect them. Specifically in the case of the IWS, CCP said they would consider releasing more in the future. IF CCP decides to release those skins as part of general options for any ship (or something), then its safe to assume the value of the IWS will plummet. If you paid money for rarity, you should enjoy it while its still rare. Demanding uniqueness or rarity to persist forever is unreasonable (except when explicitly stated otherwise).
However, I would expect many of these LE ships to remain as distinct typeIDs in the database rather than being completely converted into whatever scheme CCP has for reskinning other stuff (without defining thousands of new item types). They often have flavor text and the ISW doesn't refine into minerals. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10621
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:25:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:[why would you paint a trade hub on a ship
Because corp and alliance logos would be too mainstream.... duh. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jasmine Assasin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:33:00 -
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As someone that collects ships, I don't care.
My ship collection is for my enjoyment, I sometimes undock them for others to enjoy as well when I have the time to "go visit" them. I don't treat them as an investment, and people that do probably aren't "true" collectors (ie. market speculators) anyway. Those of us that collect because that's what we like generally aren't as worried about the actual value as some might believe.
My .02 ISK.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6106
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:34:00 -
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To be honest, I've been anticipating this issue ever since I got back in and saw a bunch of cosmetic 'limited edition' ships.
LE should be made special in some way, sure-- but it'd be asinine to have gaps in the ship skins because marketing got to the old Incarna assets before the game developers could get them in. Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1500
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:43:00 -
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Ishukone Watch Scorpion is this "limited edition"
Painted one would be - Scorpion Ishukone Edition
Why exclude "standard" skin like Ishukone just beacause there is a LE ships that has it. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4107
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Posted - 2014.03.06 23:27:00 -
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Give Somer millions of ship paintjobs for distribution. Maybe as a bonus for GTC sales. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
400
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Posted - 2014.03.06 23:29:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I cant wait for the trade hub painted ship scams to begin! ::tingles::
Also: Stealth ship painting thread is still ship painting thread. why would you paint a trade hub on a ship
To scam people into thinking your Jita of course :D |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2014.03.06 23:37:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Also: Stealth ship painting thread is still ship painting thread.
Except that nobody can see a stealth ships paint job. hur hur |
I Riven I
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:00:00 -
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they should be called legendary and should NOT be available in painting schemes feature.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3043
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:30:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:they should be called legendary and should NOT be available in painting schemes feature.
Can you be more specific?
Do you mean they should be renamed, and be distinct in that way? Or do you mean that color scheme should not be available at all in the paint store?
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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Regan Rotineque
Rl'yeh Interstellar Ltd. Mildly Sober
232
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:54:00 -
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Without having checked - I thought that the LE ships did have modified stats for some things
LE to me means that they may have a logo/skin/stat change that is not available elsewhere and should not be available in the new painting/schemes that they may release or implement.
I dont think for example my purple Iterons with Quafe logo's will be available in the new painting shop - but if someone paints an iteron purple - i still think my LE is actually different as it has the Quafe Logo on it....
However the point is well taken OP - CCP should think about this as they approach the subject in general. LE needs to be "special" somehow from people trying to paint something to "look" like and LE ship.
CCP can modify stats/logo's/paint schemes to make sure they are unique and prized possessions.
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Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
151
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:19:00 -
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Ishokune Watch should not get special treatment, it never was supposed to be special, just a "thank you". The whole drama started ONLY because some collectors with more ISK than sense payed billions for them. So I say, screw those guys and make it a normal painted scorp just like all the other repainted ships.
All those small reskinned frigates and destroyers, they aren-¦t that expensive anyway, so no special treatment there.
The Quafe Iterons though...well, they really have some special flavour. But I think it just makes sense that the main hauler of one of the biggest corporations in New Eden is seen often, so they really shouldn-¦t get special treatment either. That said, I want a Quafe Obelisk. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1060
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:01:00 -
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I would repaint Mona Lisa if i could. You will not stop artist from creating fine art. _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |
ReheL't
INSURGENT ENTERPRISE
2
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:08:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:they should be called legendary and should NOT be available in painting schemes feature.
http://imgur.com/eNLpReA
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