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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.11.12 03:26:00 -
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yeah this is the wrong forum, but no one else seems to respect the spoon system so there ...
Make FW connected to the HS pathways from empire to empire region. You want pvp, make it so there is no HS route from Amarr to Jita unless FW pilots can secure one or some other madness.
Let's get REAL PVP here, none of this "oh look they let us kick these guys in the nutz unlike other games, so we call it pvp!" Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -įThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -įThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
270
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Posted - 2011.11.12 03:46:00 -
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I wont take you seriously anywhere. Also why do you need a puppet Im sure she needs more respect than that.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
286
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Posted - 2011.11.12 03:48:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:yeah this is the wrong forum, but no one else seems to respect the spoon system so there ...
Make FW connected to the HS pathways from empire to empire region. You want pvp, make it so there is no HS route from Amarr to Jita unless FW pilots can secure one or some other madness.
Let's get REAL PVP here, none of this "oh look they let us kick these guys in the nutz unlike other games, so we call it pvp!"
its not such a bad idea on the surface
but no, thank you. I'm not really interested in being a poster child
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ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
69
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Posted - 2011.11.12 03:50:00 -
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Also theres the possibility of people just deciding to split the economy ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
121
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:02:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:yeah this is the wrong forum, but no one else seems to respect the spoon system so there ...
Make FW connected to the HS pathways from empire to empire region. You want pvp, make it so there is no HS route from Amarr to Jita unless FW pilots can secure one or some other madness.
Let's get REAL PVP here, none of this "oh look they let us kick these guys in the nutz unlike other games, so we call it pvp!"
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
270
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:06:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:yeah this is the wrong forum, but no one else seems to respect the spoon system so there ...
Make FW connected to the HS pathways from empire to empire region. You want pvp, make it so there is no HS route from Amarr to Jita unless FW pilots can secure one or some other madness.
Let's get REAL PVP here, none of this "oh look they let us kick these guys in the nutz unlike other games, so we call it pvp!"
Prediction of outcome. Even lesser pvp would happen.
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
207
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:11:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I wont take you seriously anywhere. Also why do you need a puppet Im sure she needs more respect than that.
I am honoured you took me seriously before now. Why you won't in the future I have no idea. I am simply trying to get some of the angry but not able to articulate why people and turn them to something useful.
AG Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -įThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -įThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
122
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:12:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:yeah this is the wrong forum, but no one else seems to respect the spoon system so there ...
Make FW connected to the HS pathways from empire to empire region. You want pvp, make it so there is no HS route from Amarr to Jita unless FW pilots can secure one or some other madness.
Let's get REAL PVP here, none of this "oh look they let us kick these guys in the nutz unlike other games, so we call it pvp!" Prediction of outcome. Even lesser pvp would happen.
Well, I've seen you posting around and if you are trolling you got me... but I'm curious as to why you think there would be LESS? I would think there would be fleets escorting huge groups of haulers through high sec... the whole dynamic of eve would change for the better if the empires were isolated in lowsec. I mean... it sounds like a really good idea to me and I'm just curious why you think there would be fewer ships popping? All GėķGźēGėķ Ships | Many Odd GėķGźēGėķ Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:16:00 -
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Lemme know if this takes off. Been looking at getting a JF, Already have clone rights all over empire. Would suck for the newbies. *yawns* |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
272
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:17:00 -
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Fox is forgetful, your current transgression will be short lived in my mind.
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
207
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:17:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:yeah this is the wrong forum, but no one else seems to respect the spoon system so there ...
Make FW connected to the HS pathways from empire to empire region. You want pvp, make it so there is no HS route from Amarr to Jita unless FW pilots can secure one or some other madness.
Let's get REAL PVP here, none of this "oh look they let us kick these guys in the nutz unlike other games, so we call it pvp!" Prediction of outcome. Even lesser pvp would happen. Well, I've seen you posting around and if you are trolling you got me... but I'm curious as to why you think there would be LESS? I would think there would be fleets escorting huge groups of haulers through high sec... the whole dynamic of eve would change for the better if the empires were isolated in lowsec. I mean... it sounds like a really good idea to me and I'm just curious why you think there would be fewer ships popping?
I suspect he thinks people would sit in their little islands and NOT move around. Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -įThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -įThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
272
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:24:00 -
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Why would less happen?
This estimation was made from small collection of the knowledge of past experinces, hunches, player nature predictability, lack of forsight of the suggester, built in game mechanics, lack of critical thinking of the idea and ultimately not taking account of all sides of the idea and all possible reactions and not taking into the account of what is still wrong with Low Sec.
Net Result Less PVP, Increased Miner activity, Increase number of empire hubs, increased number of businesses, Less intertrade between empires, Amarr becomes one of the more favorable empires due to its massive size alone.
Ultimately instead of making a more interesting pvp zone you just created four different high secs.
So congradulations, go back and rethink it again.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
123
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:25:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:Gogela wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:yeah this is the wrong forum, but no one else seems to respect the spoon system so there ...
Make FW connected to the HS pathways from empire to empire region. You want pvp, make it so there is no HS route from Amarr to Jita unless FW pilots can secure one or some other madness.
Let's get REAL PVP here, none of this "oh look they let us kick these guys in the nutz unlike other games, so we call it pvp!" Prediction of outcome. Even lesser pvp would happen. Well, I've seen you posting around and if you are trolling you got me... but I'm curious as to why you think there would be LESS? I would think there would be fleets escorting huge groups of haulers through high sec... the whole dynamic of eve would change for the better if the empires were isolated in lowsec. I mean... it sounds like a really good idea to me and I'm just curious why you think there would be fewer ships popping? I suspect he thinks people would sit in their little islands and NOT move around.
No way. Do you know how much volume moves around this through the empire routes? I mean... to be fair I couldn't fathom a guess... but having just sat in empire choke-points cargo scanning ships... I think it's got to be a crazy huge number. Jita is a hungry market... it needs to feed....
Nova Fox wrote:Why would less happen?
This estimation was made from small collection of the knowledge of past experinces, hunches, player nature predictability, lack of forsight of the suggester, built in game mechanics, lack of critical thinking of the idea and ultimately not taking account of all sides of the idea and all possible reactions and not taking into the account of what is still wrong with Low Sec.
Net Result Less PVP, Increased Miner activity, Increase number of empire hubs, increased number of businesses, Less intertrade between empires, Amarr becomes one of the more favorable empires due to its massive size alone.
Ultimately instead of making a more interesting pvp zone you just created four different high secs.
So congradulations, go back and rethink it again.
Ah... I see. So it's insanity than... 'nuff said I'll trouble you no more.
Nice deviantart link btw.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
272
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:29:00 -
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Oh and a temporary drive up in prices as markets dry up as exports wont be met for a short while but will be eventually met as locals crowd the scene on the rush.
The most major factor of pvp possibly going up in low sec is allainces securing the damn place and thats the last thing I want to see happen.
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
210
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:30:00 -
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What I think COULD happen is escort convoys through low sec, who knows. It was an idea, I'll write up something more formal in the F&I forums.
AG
Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -įThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -įThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
Alizandro Goderaski
Evolution The Initiative.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:31:00 -
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Great idea, it's been floating around for years now, and it's about time someone posted a GD thread about it. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
272
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:31:00 -
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Please do.
Do heavily consider why there are alot of folks who just dread stepping into low and why forcing them in the past has never worked.
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
210
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:38:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Please do.
Do heavily consider why there are alot of folks who just dread stepping into low and why forcing them in the past has never worked.
Please understand I don't want to FORCE anyone to go anywhere. I want to create incentives. When we (my rl buddies and I) all came to eve from wow, we went in and out of low sec trying to mine, rat etc cause we thought that was where the action was. We learned it was best to stay out and make isk other ways. If there were reasons to go other than to maybe get gate camped, it could open up the field.
BTW to the other poster about the idea being around for a long time, I know I ripped it off from someone I just have no idea who it was as I've been reading here since 2008. Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -įThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -įThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
273
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:41:00 -
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It was around since late 2007 I think pvp avid player back then suggested it around the time low sec was beginning to be a problem if I remember right.
If very unfourtunate to know that there is no dynamic sec status change.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
237
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:18:00 -
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Lets see what would happen.
All freighter traffic would stop. Most trade will stop. perpetual gate camps in the low sec.
yeah good way to kill the game. |
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ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
70
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:23:00 -
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Wasnt their something similar like this AGES AND AGES ago and one corp just camped the system and it was very hard to get through? The corp was Mo0 or M0o or something
Some bittervet will know ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
Stan Smith
Remenent British Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:24:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:Lets see what would happen.
All freighter traffic would stop. Most trade will stop. perpetual gate camps in the low sec.
yeah good way to kill the game.
pretty much this.
this is kind of like the "make jita 0.0" argument. it's never gonna happen. if they make jita 0.0, then the new trade hub will be new caldari or perimeter or something |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:24:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote: What I think COULD happen is escort convoys through low sec, who knows. It was an idea, I'll write up something more formal in the F&I forums.
AG
Your thoughts demonstrate a poor understanding of the game. If you realized how slim the profit margins on manufacture were you would realize that your escort (through what would likely be the worst gate-camps low can provide) would have to work for pennies. In reality what would happen is that folks like me would use JFs to capitalize on regional differences in the cost of goods to make a profit. Younger players would get blown up the first few times they tried to visit the Empire next door and restrict their play to local. End result would be a smaller even duller HiSec and a few cheap laughs for the yartards. Because there is nothing in Low so it will always be flyover country to market and industry players. |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:25:00 -
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Stan Smith wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:Lets see what would happen.
All freighter traffic would stop. Most trade will stop. perpetual gate camps in the low sec.
yeah good way to kill the game. pretty much this. this is kind of like the "make jita 0.0" argument. it's never gonna happen. if they make jita 0.0, then the new trade hub will be new caldari or perimeter or something Dod. Really they are not far behind Jita as is. |
Lord Mandelor
Consolidated Holdings War Ensemble.
61
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:27:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Wasnt their something similar like this AGES AND AGES ago and one corp just camped the system and it was very hard to get through? The corp was Mo0 or M0o or something
Some bittervet will know
Yep. It took CCP leading a fleet of CONCORD ships to drive them out after they sat there two weeks undefeated racking up thousands of kills. ConHo Daily: http://conhodaily.blogspot.com Stories ranging from midgets inside your Damage Control to drones becoming self-aware. |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
61
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:35:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Wasnt their something similar like this AGES AND AGES ago and one corp just camped the system and it was very hard to get through? The corp was Mo0 or M0o or something
Some bittervet will know
from the wiki
Developer Interaction
The 'm0o situation' got so big, that developers were forced to intervene on several occasions. A few weeks into the camp, a force of developer-controlled CONCORD battleships arrived in Mara. m0o pilots were quick to escape, although one brave pilot, The Reverend, made the decision of going up against the attacking force. His cruiser was destroyed in a single shot. This is the only reported incident of developers interacting with the playerbase in such a manner, and is widely regarded as having been a bad decision.
Another instance of developer interaction occurred when m0o pilots camping a gate in Mara were transferred to seemingly random locations in space. The reasoning behind this decision is still unknown, and the effect did not last for long as the m0o pilots were back in Mara a few hours later. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
211
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:44:00 -
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JitaJane wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote: What I think COULD happen is escort convoys through low sec, who knows. It was an idea, I'll write up something more formal in the F&I forums.
AG
Your thoughts demonstrate a poor understanding of the game. If you realized how slim the profit margins on manufacture were you would realize that your escort (through what would likely be the worst gate-camps low can provide) would have to work for pennies. In reality what would happen is that folks like me would use JFs to capitalize on regional differences in the cost of goods to make a profit. Younger players would get blown up the first few times they tried to visit the Empire next door and restrict their play to local. End result would be a smaller even duller HiSec and a few cheap laughs for the yartards. Because there is nothing in Low so it will always be flyover country to market and industry players.
I'll give you the fact that I've laid out VERY few details here and if there were only a couple bottlenecks we'd agree totally. However if there were many paths through low sec, with very few bottlenecks then it could be doable. I've done a LOT of low profit manufacturing and given the right volume of sales, I'd personally take the risk. Would others? who knows.
The core of the idea is to allow the HS island to be less "stone" and more sand. Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -įThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -įThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.11.12 06:17:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:JitaJane wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote: What I think COULD happen is escort convoys through low sec, who knows. It was an idea, I'll write up something more formal in the F&I forums.
AG
Your thoughts demonstrate a poor understanding of the game. If you realized how slim the profit margins on manufacture were you would realize that your escort (through what would likely be the worst gate-camps low can provide) would have to work for pennies. In reality what would happen is that folks like me would use JFs to capitalize on regional differences in the cost of goods to make a profit. Younger players would get blown up the first few times they tried to visit the Empire next door and restrict their play to local. End result would be a smaller even duller HiSec and a few cheap laughs for the yartards. Because there is nothing in Low so it will always be flyover country to market and industry players. I'll give you the fact that I've laid out VERY few details here and if there were only a couple bottlenecks we'd agree totally. However if there were many paths through low sec, with very few bottlenecks then it could be doable. I've done a LOT of low profit manufacturing and given the right volume of sales, I'd personally take the risk. Would others? who knows. The core of the idea is to allow the HS island to be less "stone" and more sand. Not even bottlenecks man. Look if you are making moderate income by that I mean enough that making the jumps pays better then spending the same time knocking out a mission you're looking at a freighter load. Only a moron would take their freighter through a patch of lowsec. Now JF will go hi-hi no risk all profit. Your only real concern is that the profit margin is going to be enough to cover fuel. And if it is not enough to cove fuel it is certainly not enough to hire an escort. I'd like to see more low pop in the game. But trying to trick or coerce it is not the path. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
211
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Posted - 2011.11.12 06:42:00 -
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JitaJane wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:JitaJane wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote: What I think COULD happen is escort convoys through low sec, who knows. It was an idea, I'll write up something more formal in the F&I forums.
AG
Your thoughts demonstrate a poor understanding of the game. If you realized how slim the profit margins on manufacture were you would realize that your escort (through what would likely be the worst gate-camps low can provide) would have to work for pennies. In reality what would happen is that folks like me would use JFs to capitalize on regional differences in the cost of goods to make a profit. Younger players would get blown up the first few times they tried to visit the Empire next door and restrict their play to local. End result would be a smaller even duller HiSec and a few cheap laughs for the yartards. Because there is nothing in Low so it will always be flyover country to market and industry players. I'll give you the fact that I've laid out VERY few details here and if there were only a couple bottlenecks we'd agree totally. However if there were many paths through low sec, with very few bottlenecks then it could be doable. I've done a LOT of low profit manufacturing and given the right volume of sales, I'd personally take the risk. Would others? who knows. The core of the idea is to allow the HS island to be less "stone" and more sand. Not even bottlenecks man. Look if you are making moderate income by that I mean enough that making the jumps pays better then spending the same time knocking out a mission you're looking at a freighter load. Only a moron would take their freighter through a patch of lowsec. Now JF will go hi-hi no risk all profit. Your only real concern is that the profit margin is going to be enough to cover fuel. And if it is not enough to cove fuel it is certainly not enough to hire an escort. I'd like to see more low pop in the game. But trying to trick or coerce it is not the path.
Ok we agree freighters in low sec = bad, but last I checked there were other ways to move ships. I'm not saying launch this thing tomorrow but I'm discussing the hypothetical situation, so WHAT would be needed? A higher tank higher capacity Indy? hell idk, lots to be disucssed before then. Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -įThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -įThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.12 07:50:00 -
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I like the idea of kicking Concord out of 0.5 systems while significantly augmenting their gate guns. (Still no capital ships, though.)
Maybe there's a flaw with that idea, but SOME sort of mechanic that results in a hi-sec/low-sec hybrid in 0.5 would be good. Maybe even if it means multiple gates (if they are camping gate#1, use gate#2.) |
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