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Silver Dagger Kondur
Element Underground
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:21:00 -
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Greets!
Since day 1, I've understood that a carebear was one who was not PVP, avoided low or null sec.
What is the definition of a carebear? - No PVP? - Positive security status?
What of those who live near or in null sec? Or those who gas-mine in nul sec, but don't gank or attack other players - are they carebears?
Thanks! |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
171
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:39:00 -
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any player with the capability to **** off other players hence they call him carebear. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
492
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:46:00 -
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we do have the term nullbears, for those in 0.0 that dont pvp.
I would say in general the term carebear just means someone that dont pvp.
But like with everything it isnt black and white. Lables.. I hate them myself. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
171
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:48:00 -
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but one cannot avoid PVP in eve....
Even selling and buying at the market is pvp... Hell posting at the forums mis-informing or helping other players is form of pvp if you think about it.
The entire "Carebear" shenanigans is pure for self E-peen stroking purposes of some players. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3778
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:59:00 -
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Lady Naween wrote:we do have the term nullbears, for those in 0.0 that dont pvp.
I would say in general the term carebear just means someone that dont pvp.
But like with everything it isnt black and white. Lables.. I hate them myself.
You are here by labeled as: The person who hates labels. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
4944
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:01:00 -
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Serious (and more general) answer:
Anyone who does everything they can to avoid ship-on-ship PvP and... - proceeds to whine about being "forced" into such a situation (usually on the forums and/or to the developers) - refuses to learn from the experience and adapt accordingly
So you can be an industrialist or miner or missiong runner... but not be a "carebear." Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3778
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:02:00 -
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At OP:
Correct, in general when people say Carebear, they mean people who go to the end of the world and back to avoid / prevent to be actively involved in any form of direct PvP.
Nullbears is just an "upgraded" name for carebears living in null-sec.
Then again, as Lady Naween said, it's all labels and doesn't mean a single thing. People like to boast about their own type of players and mock others. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Forest Archer
Explorer Corps Disavowed.
107
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:26:00 -
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Another variation is one whose sole goal is focused around the accumulation of wealth/Isk usually through pve often to get better mods/(gear) only to be better at pve. Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if your in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
171
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:21:00 -
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Forest Archer wrote:Another variation is one whose sole goal is focused around the accumulation of wealth/Isk usually through pve often to get better mods/(gear) only to be better at pve.
Theme park mmo player? "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2665
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:04:00 -
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Silver Dagger Kondur wrote:Greets!
Since day 1, I've understood that a carebear was one who was not PVP, avoided low or null sec.
What is the definition of a carebear? - No PVP? - Positive security status?
What of those who live near or in null sec? Or those who gas-mine in nul sec, but don't gank or attack other players - are they carebears?
Thanks!
This has been debated hotly before. I started a thread like this once that went very deep into what it means to be a carebear, and in the end, there was a general consensus that the best definition is, one who is risk-averse. That being said, there are plenty who disagreed with that, claiming that carebear is strictly levelled as a pejorative against people who avoid PVP. However, in my time on EVE, I've met plenty of PVP'ers who are risk averse themselves. Although, it's hard to determine from just one engagement, given that any given PVP'er might be hotdropping ventures one day, and solo'ing in lowsec in his T1 frigate the next. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
856
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:28:00 -
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I use the term loosely to refer to anyone I find doing what I would consider to be "carebear stuff". Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory.-áAll miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code.-áMining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com to learn more. |
Jared Lennox
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
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Posted - 2014.03.07 08:39:00 -
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Simply this if you have heart diseases please avoid this. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
Forest Archer
Explorer Corps Disavowed.
108
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Posted - 2014.03.07 10:09:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:Forest Archer wrote:Another variation is one whose sole goal is focused around the accumulation of wealth/Isk usually through pve often to get better mods/(gear) only to be better at pve. Theme park mmo player? Implied to be anyone who wants EVE to be a theme park mmo and complains about non consentual pvp in conjunction with prior statement but I prefer short and to the point which is why I gave vague answer to give OP the general idea. Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if your in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3033
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Posted - 2014.03.07 16:09:00 -
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"Carebear" is a label applied to someone who does everything they can to eliminate risk and effort in the acquisition of ISK, to the point of sacrificing player interaction, caving to obsessive behavior, and loudly whinging and demanding safe and easy solutions to problems that already have solutions. It is often used as a derogatory slur to denigrate someone's playstyle.
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Qalix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.03.07 17:35:00 -
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It's a word people use that has no real meaning. It tends to be used by people who don't want to admit that everyone in eve has carebear characters, because PvP isn't an income stream, it's an income sink. Danger and destruction are time wasters from an income generation point of view, so most people have a carebear stream that is easily and quickly maintained with a minimum of interruption.
If you weren't aware, every aspect of EVE is a form of PvP. This extends into the metagaming sphere, and it can take many forms. These sorts of terms and conversations are really combat over EVE's core design. By using a term that implies that anyone who doesn't want to live the nosec alliance slave life is somehow contemptible, it's easier to make blanket generalizations based on stereotyping. It's Political Speech and Language 101 -- controlling the terms of the conversation. |
Sanies Moliko
The Red Shirts
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Posted - 2014.03.07 19:58:00 -
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I generally view the term carebear as something used by people to goad others into going out into hostile areas. Mainly so they can gank that person and loot their stuff. Not that I have any issue with them ganking people and looting their stuff. But I do tend to ignore people who fling the term carebear about. They really are not worth your time to listen too. The real pvpers don't care if someone is a carebear or not. If your not blue then your just another target. Pvp is a major part of EVE but its not the only part. If people would rather not engage in PvP let them. Someone has to build all those ships the pvpers blow up. Its not like they just grow on trees or something. EVE, You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. |
Praxis Ginimic
Vessels of the Line Bask of Fail
776
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Posted - 2014.03.07 20:04:00 -
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There is an easy rule of thumb for generalizing carebears.
Do you or have you ever fit a warp core stabilizer?
If so, you are in fact a carebears. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3034
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Posted - 2014.03.07 20:44:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:There is an easy rule of thumb for generalizing carebears.
Do you or have you ever fit a warp core stabilizer?
If so, you are in fact a carebears. Does it count if i fit a warp core stabilizer to my salvage Drake because a wreck I wanted to salvage was swarmed by NPC frigates with points and NPCs with more firepower than I wanted to handle?
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
242
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Posted - 2014.03.07 20:57:00 -
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Care bear is an attitude more than anything else.
The obsessive pursuit of isk, even though it's not used for anything is often the mark of a care bear.
The avoidance of PvP goes a bit deeper. In a PvE fit ship, anyone with intelligence will run from a real fight. But that is because CCP set up PvE to literally be the opposite of PvP. The 'combat' PvE content in this game does a disservice to anyone that is interested in PvP.
But just trying to shoot other players is a far cry from PvP. Many care bears attempt the 'weekend warrior' thing by mining all week in high sec, then trolling in an isk-tanked ship in low sec (then die to frigates, rage post on the forums that Eve is broken, and go back to mining)...........I wouldn't call this meaningful PvP either. Still just care bear behavior- most don't know any of the mechanics involved or how to employ tactics beyond the same Orbit/Shoot they did against rats.
The same holds for that debacle of a Live Event a couple months ago- those were miners and haulers joining a kitchen sink blob hoping to be led around by the nose and told exactly what to do- that is not PvP. Just flying a combat ship, dying helplessly in the first seconds of a fight, then crying in the forums- does not a PvP'er make.
The biggest defining feature isn't a lack of combat experience, but rather how loss is dealt with. A PvP'er has lost many ships and is lucky to remember renaming them before undocking to fight again. A care bear is more attached to his pixels of a space ship than life itself, and will wallow piteously for ages over any loss- despite the fact that it so rarely happens to them. Care bears complain to the FC when they didn't get handed kills during every roam, they cry when they actually get killed in a fleet, they make excuses when they screw up, and they think all of Eve's code should be rewritten so they never lose anything.
Care bears also tend to make great demands of the game, their corp or people they know in game, but utterly refuse to contribute themselves in any way. Many are the threads here with some newb complaining that corps don't just hire his 500k SP toon and hand him ships/skillbooks/implants/space to care bear/move their stuff- but then complain that anyone dare expect them to fly a Rifter for an hour to help save a tower........ |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
242
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Posted - 2014.03.07 21:03:00 -
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Quote:Do you or have you ever fit a warp core stabilizer?
If so, you are in fact a carebears.
---wouldn't that then also apply to all Interceptors now? Or nullified T3's? They are functionally the same when it comes to bubbles as stabs are to directed points. |
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Qalix
Long Jump.
151
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Posted - 2014.03.07 21:05:00 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:Care bears complain to the FC when they didn't get handed kills during every roam, they cry when they actually get killed in a fleet, they make excuses when they screw up, and they think all of Eve's code should be rewritten so they never lose anything. So everyone who has engaged in fleet combat is a carebear? |
Sanies Moliko
The Red Shirts
1
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Posted - 2014.03.07 21:06:00 -
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Alaric are you talking about carebears or spoiled children? EVE, You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
242
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Posted - 2014.03.07 21:10:00 -
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Quote:Alaric are you talking about carebears or spoiled children?
--there is a difference? |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
795
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:10:00 -
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Carebear = Inevitable victim
If you never allow yourself to assume the role of 'victim' you cannot rightfully be called a carebear. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.08 20:09:00 -
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A carebear is any player that doesn't take any risks.
Usually due to an overwhelming fear of loss.
To compensate they normally fly around in blinged out ships that are pimp fitted.
They tend to have huge bank balances and nothing to spend it on.
You can tell who is a carebear and who is not a carebear by their attitude to pvp.
If the will only enter combat when they have overwhelming force and are thus guaranteed to win. They are a carebear.
A null bear is a carebear that has somehow or other managed to join a null sec corp or alliance and is happy for other members of the aliance or corp to maintain their space and keep their territories safe whilst they rat or mine in peace making tons of isk.
Should a call to arms go out these people frequently log off. The nullbear is the worst kind of carebear and should not be tolerated.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3246
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:01:00 -
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A few common signs of carebear, in my opinion:
* It is almost as though their real-life (AFK) self worth is related to their character's assets and ISK.
* They have an extreme aversion to any loss or risk. They never see it as the cost of having fun or a new or different experience.
* They don't accept responsibility for their own actions or inaction. If they make a mistake, or do nothing to prevent something bad happening, they always blame others.
* They complain about game mechanics that don't benefit themselves, yet completely ignore the gameplay of others that may benefit from the same game mechanics.
* They respond to a wardec with outrage, rather than preparing for war.
* They rarely if ever ask or accept advice on how to improve their EVE experience.
I've lived about half my >5 year EVE life in hisec. I like to do manufacturing, mining, hauling, and missions. I figure if I ever end up with only a rookie ship to my name, I can recover from that, and I just hope their will be an epic story to tell about how it happened. I do not consider myself a carebear. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3246
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:03:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:A few common signs of carebear, in my opinion:
* It is almost as though their real-life (AFK) self worth is related to their character's assets and ISK.
* They have an extreme aversion to any loss or risk. They never see it as the cost of having fun or a new or different experience.
* They don't accept responsibility for their own actions or inaction. If they make a mistake, or do nothing to prevent something bad happening, they always blame others.
* They complain about game mechanics that don't benefit themselves, yet completely ignore the gameplay of others that may benefit from the same game mechanics.
* They respond to a wardec with outrage, rather than preparing for war.
* They rarely if ever ask or accept advice on how to improve their EVE experience.
I've lived about half my >5 year EVE life in hisec. I like to do manufacturing, mining, hauling, and missions. I figure if I ever end up with only a rookie ship to my name, I can recover from that, and I just hope there will be an epic story to tell about how it happened. I do not consider myself a carebear.
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Francine Diderot
Autarky The Autonomy
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:02:00 -
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Silver Dagger Kondur wrote:What is the definition of a carebear?
A carebear is a player who will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid taking risks in the game. No, it's not about being industrial. There are grizzled old industrials in this game to take risks all the time, and they are not carebears. It all about the attitude toward risk. It's not about what type of activity you engage in.
If you take a venture into wormhole-space to mine precious gas you are taking a risk, but if you see the venture on your scanner and call in a fleet to kill it, when you are perfectly capable of doing so on your own because you fear losing your combat ship, then you are. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3787
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Posted - 2014.03.09 21:32:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:A carebear is any player that doesn't take any risks.
Usually due to an overwhelming fear of loss.
To compensate they normally fly around in blinged out ships that are pimp fitted.
They tend to have huge bank balances and nothing to spend it on.
You can tell who is a carebear and who is not a carebear by their attitude to pvp.
If the will only enter combat when they have overwhelming force and are thus guaranteed to win. They are a carebear.
A null bear is a carebear that has somehow or other managed to join a null sec corp or alliance and is happy for other members of the aliance or corp to maintain their space and keep their territories safe whilst they rat or mine in peace making tons of isk.
Should a call to arms go out these people frequently log off. The nullbear is the worst kind of carebear and should not be tolerated.
Amen brother, amen. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3787
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Posted - 2014.03.09 21:36:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:A few common signs of carebear, in my opinion:
* It is almost as though their real-life (AFK) self worth is related to their character's assets and ISK.
* They have an extreme aversion to any loss or risk. They never see it as the cost of having fun or a new or different experience.
* They don't accept responsibility for their own actions or inaction. If they make a mistake, or do nothing to prevent something bad happening, they always blame others.
* They complain about game mechanics that don't benefit themselves, yet completely ignore the gameplay of others that may benefit from the same game mechanics.
* They respond to a wardec with outrage, rather than preparing for war.
* They rarely if ever ask or accept advice on how to improve their EVE experience.
* They consider themselves disadvantaged, be it ISK, skill, pilots, etc., rather than trying to be creative or even accepting their position and working within the limitations.
I've lived about half my >5 year EVE life in hisec. I like to do manufacturing, mining, hauling, and missions. My killboard is pathetic, and dominated by losses. I figure if I ever end up with only a rookie ship to my name, I can recover from that, and I just hope there will be an epic story to tell about how it happened. I do not consider myself a carebear.
Basically the above.
Just like all apples are fruit, but not every fruit is an apple, the same goes with EVE.
Not every PvE player is a carebear, but all carebears are strictly PvE players.
If you even have the slightest sense about EVE and don't mind taking a risk or blame yourself when something goes bad and learn from that....you are NOT a carebear, you are just a PvE player who has a good attitude.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
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