Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1199
|
Posted - 2014.03.10 16:18:00 -
[31] - Quote
If you do more PVE and less PVP then me I will classify you as a carebear, without wanting to sound condescending. There are many moments I am "carebearing" or "bearing it up" myself.
When used in a derogatory sense I mean a player with too large a sense of entitlement, who genuinely thinks he should be exempt of all hostilities. This doesn't extend to just miners and missioners, and can even encompass PVPers. If you have a 99% ISK efficiency killboard I'm likely to label you as a carebear as well.
This stemming from players that only attack when they are absolutely sure they will win, never take a hit "for the team" and are ultimately concerned with meaningless statistics. The key to carebearism is risk aversion. |
Lemon Nado
Gallentinos
6
|
Posted - 2014.03.11 16:53:00 -
[32] - Quote
Pirate, scammer, carebear, wormholer, miner, ganker, bumper, something something... all the same. Players
|
Lilliana Stelles
1200
|
Posted - 2014.03.11 18:22:00 -
[33] - Quote
Praxis Ginimic wrote:There is an easy rule of thumb for generalizing carebears.
Do you or have you ever fit a warp core stabilizer?
If so, you are in fact a carebears.
Quite the opposite. Warp core stabilizers are a module specifically designed for surviving interactions with other players. An untanked mining barge is very carebear. A warp stab'd mining barge indicates the intention to both encounter and survive other players.
One bear cares significantly more than the other. Not a forum alt.-á |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3052
|
Posted - 2014.03.11 18:28:00 -
[34] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote:Praxis Ginimic wrote:There is an easy rule of thumb for generalizing carebears.
Do you or have you ever fit a warp core stabilizer?
If so, you are in fact a carebears. Quite the opposite. Warp core stabilizers are a module specifically designed for surviving interactions with other players. An untanked mining barge is very carebear. A warp stab'd mining barge indicates the intention to both encounter and survive other players. One bear cares significantly more than the other. My ghost site Drake has WCS to be able to leave despite the rats pointing me. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3651
|
Posted - 2014.03.11 21:10:00 -
[35] - Quote
Carebear is more than just risk adverse. Everyone in this game limits the risks to their assets, because they will lose them if they don't. No, carebear is much more than that:
For example, running missions in highsec doesn't make you a carebear. A carebear will run missions while not only ingoring the reality that other players can still attack you in highsec, but then raging if/when it happens with claims that CCP/Concord should prevent it.
For example, mining in highsec doesn't make you a carebear. A carebear mines roids believe they have a fundamental right to do so without interference, and then flips out when someone stops them from mining until they pay a protection racket fee.
For example, hauling goods from point A to point B through highsec doesn't make you a carebear. A carebearl hauls expecting undisruptable movement across the highsec systems, only to cry on the forums that someone destroyed their ship to steal/loot the valuable cargo they carry across the univers.
For example, buying goods and reselling them for profit doesn't make you a carebear. A carebear trader incorrectly assumes all buy orders are guaranteed, and flips out when they find incompleteable buy orders exist leaving them with slow-moving assets that they overpaid for.
For example, manufacturing goods in this game doesn't make you a carebear. A carebear expects everything they build to be profitable, and complains about how unfair it is others have cheaper sources of materials or rare limited edition blueprints.
For example, being in a noob corp doesn't make you a carebear. A carebear refuses to leave the noobcorp because they can't cope with the knowledge that in player run corps your corpmates may attack you without concord intervention.
Fundamentally, a carebear is someone that believes they deserve to operate in a risk-free, immune to non-consensual PvP environment. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
140
|
Posted - 2014.03.11 21:56:00 -
[36] - Quote
"Carebear" is a term that elitist-minded PvP-ers use to describe the members of their alliance who are paying the bills right before their alliance loses membership and goes bankrupt. |
Bruce Road
The Forge International Mining Corproation
0
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 01:24:00 -
[37] - Quote
Carebear is a term used in every Multiplayer game where the person doesn't submit to being entertainment for another person in a PvP situation. (Being cannon fodder for a better equipped player)
Eve Carebear is a player who avoids situations where you will get podded by better skilled/fitted pilots at all costs.
Every other MMO its basically not becoming a punching bag for a PvPer.
In Eve though unless you are loaded up with implants that run into the billions dying is something you have to make contingencies for as it will happen at some point.
Though the term Carebear has come merely to be used by people that try to provoke non PvPers into a fight. Kind of like how Gank, meaning killed by multiple people, is now a generic term for being killed in general
|
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3054
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 03:33:00 -
[38] - Quote
Bruce Road wrote: Kind of like how Gank, meaning killed by multiple people, is now a generic term for being killed in general Except it's not. A gank is an unexpected attack against an usually unaware target, using superior force. Ganks can and do regularly fail. They are not synonymous to killing stuff.
Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Qalix
Long Jump.
161
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 04:45:00 -
[39] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Bruce Road wrote: Kind of like how Gank, meaning killed by multiple people, is now a generic term for being killed in general Except it's not. A gank is an unexpected attack against an usually unaware target, using superior force. Ganks can and do regularly fail. They are not synonymous to killing stuff. Let's be honest, how often do you hear someone say "I got ganked... and got away"? No, getting ganked means dying. If you escape, it's "I almost got ganked today." |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3054
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 06:29:00 -
[40] - Quote
Qalix wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Bruce Road wrote: Kind of like how Gank, meaning killed by multiple people, is now a generic term for being killed in general Except it's not. A gank is an unexpected attack against an usually unaware target, using superior force. Ganks can and do regularly fail. They are not synonymous to killing stuff. Let's be honest, how often do you hear someone say "I got ganked... and got away"? No, getting ganked means dying. If you escape, it's "I almost got ganked today." "Failed gank" is a real expression. Ganks are a subset of dying just as losing a duel is.Getting ganked means dying without expecting the fight or certain parameters of it.
If I'm sitting inside a FW complex in my Rifter, and I see an Incursus coming, I take the fight, then die, that was not a gank.
If, on the other hand, the Incursus turns out to be bait and calls in 10 friends, that was a gank and a blob. I did not expect it to be bait.
If I was sitting AFK in a safe spot and an Incursus probes me down, warps to me, and kills me, that was a gank. If I saw the combat probes narrowing in on my location and decidedly stayed to fight, it would not have been a gank.
Or, in other words: all ganks involve killing. Not all killing is ganking. Ergo, "Gank [...] is now a generic term for being killed in general" is false. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
|
Brink Albosa
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
20
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 07:07:00 -
[41] - Quote
Carebear or carebearing is a verb to me. Calling someone a carebear can be derogatory like using "noob."
See also nullbear, yarrbear. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
199
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 13:18:00 -
[42] - Quote
Carebear is anybody who does not pvp the way you want them to; this includes but is not limited to: people who do not pvp at all; people who stay in highsec; people who blob; people who use ecm; people who use logistics; people who blops or otherwise use a cyno; people who run from fights where they are out numbered; people who use ships that outclass their opponents; etc. . . I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Lemon Nado
Gallentinos
6
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 14:44:00 -
[43] - Quote
Brink Albosa wrote:Carebear or carebearing is a verb to me. Calling someone a carebear can be derogatory like using "noob."
See also nullbear, yarrbear.
Nahhh.... Carebear is a choice, Noob is what you are when you start. You cannot not be a noob. At least not for a certain peroid of time.
A carebear is a PvP player who has not been ganked yet! |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3801
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 14:58:00 -
[44] - Quote
Lemon Nado wrote:Brink Albosa wrote:Carebear or carebearing is a verb to me. Calling someone a carebear can be derogatory like using "noob."
See also nullbear, yarrbear. Nahhh.... Carebear is a choice, Noob is what you are when you start. You cannot not be a noob. At least not for a certain peroid of time. A carebear is a PvP player who has not been ganked yet!
Wrong.
You have a chose being a noob.
When you start you are a newb.
Those are 2 totally different things. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3055
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 15:00:00 -
[45] - Quote
J'Poll wrote:Lemon Nado wrote:Brink Albosa wrote:Carebear or carebearing is a verb to me. Calling someone a carebear can be derogatory like using "noob."
See also nullbear, yarrbear. Nahhh.... Carebear is a choice, Noob is what you are when you start. You cannot not be a noob. At least not for a certain peroid of time. A carebear is a PvP player who has not been ganked yet! Wrong. You have a chose being a noob. When you start you are a newb. Those are 2 totally different things. Now with pictures! Rifterlings - newbie-friendly swashbuckling corp ("weflyrifters" in-game channel). Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
497
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 15:16:00 -
[46] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:Serious (and more general) answer:
Anyone who does everything they can to avoid ship-on-ship PvP and... - proceeds to whine about being "forced" into such a situation (usually on the forums and/or to the developers) - refuses to learn from the experience and adapt accordingly
So you can be an industrialist or miner or missiong runner... but not be a "carebear."
I'd go with this one personally. The main thing is the drive to avoid PVP at all costs. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
Lemon Nado
Gallentinos
6
|
Posted - 2014.03.12 17:30:00 -
[47] - Quote
Now with pictures![/quote]
got it
lolz.... cool comic
Lemo the noob
|
Brink Albosa
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
20
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 06:13:00 -
[48] - Quote
|
Alexhandr Shkarov
Dog Nation United
5
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 11:07:00 -
[49] - Quote
You've ever seen the kind of player in your corporation that will do a lot of stuff for the corporation, but the moment they smell any form of PVP they run like hell, dock up and in case it's a wardec, they do not even log in onto the game?
That's a carebear.
(And people who make overly priced shitfits like Jimblidge did. Source: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=22280912) |
Kiratai Chelien
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 12:31:00 -
[50] - Quote
If I'm exploring in my Imicus of course I avoid pvp. That thing is just cannon fodder. But every time I undock I expect trouble and am prepared for it (spend most of my time in lowsec btw) and when I do lose the odd ship it's a learning experience for me...what did I do wrong...how can I avoid that next time. I do everything I can to lower the risk of whatever I'm doing, that's not being carebear, it's just common sense to me.
Pirates, gankers etc want to pod me and steal my stuff, I want to prevent them doing that...that's just all part of the game to me. Do I laugh when I leave the gate gang behind me because I fitted a cloak,mwd and warp stabs? Of course I do :) Would I expect them to laugh if they got past my defences and blew my *** up? Of course I would :)
I think the question of carebears was answered best in another post I read..it comes down to attitude, not how you choose to play. Am I a carebear? Who the hell cares? |
|
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4295
|
Posted - 2014.03.15 07:06:00 -
[51] - Quote
If you read Minerbumping.com, you'll quickly understand what a carebear is. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1223
|
Posted - 2014.03.15 07:32:00 -
[52] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:If you read Minerbumping.com, you'll quickly understand what a carebear is.
confirming gankers are carebears too |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
96
|
Posted - 2014.03.15 11:07:00 -
[53] - Quote
Eve Carebear 1) noun; Anyone not playing "you're" game the way you want them to. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3821
|
Posted - 2014.03.15 15:42:00 -
[54] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:J'Poll wrote:Lemon Nado wrote:Brink Albosa wrote:Carebear or carebearing is a verb to me. Calling someone a carebear can be derogatory like using "noob."
See also nullbear, yarrbear. Nahhh.... Carebear is a choice, Noob is what you are when you start. You cannot not be a noob. At least not for a certain peroid of time. A carebear is a PvP player who has not been ganked yet! Wrong. You have a chose being a noob. When you start you are a newb. Those are 2 totally different things. Now with pictures!
Thanks Petrus, I was on my phone at the time of the post so couldn't link that picture. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Seraphi Nephalis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 19:17:00 -
[55] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
If the will only enter combat when they have overwhelming force and are thus guaranteed to win. They are a carebear.
This is the only part I disagree with. Seems to me that if you can utterly smash your opponent with overwhelming force, that it's good tactics. Minimize your risk, while making your enemies pay as much as possible.
The only problem is that if you're tricked into thinking you have overwhelming force, when really you don't. I.E.: Baited, then ambushed by a counterattack.
But on topic, it seems to me that carebear is a derogatory term most often used to describe someone who doesn't play in a way similar to your own. Usually in regards to people who aren't interested in direct PvP.
So what if a person hides in a station during a wardec? Maybe they don't have combat skills trained. As long as they're bringing resources into your corp, are they required to fight? Maybe you should have explained and agreed on that when you hired them?
I think it's wrong to try and lump everyone who tries to avoid risk into a single group. There are many reasons to want to avoid combat, and not all of them have anything to do with cowardice, weakness, or selfishness that's commonly associated with the term 'carebear'. |
Silver Dagger Kondur
Element Underground
26
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 19:35:00 -
[56] - Quote
Seraphi Nephalis wrote:... Seems to me that if you can utterly smash your opponent with overwhelming force, that it's good tactics. Minimize your risk, while making your enemies pay as much as possible.
Agreed. "if we are able thus to attack an inferior force with a superior one, our opponents will be in dire straits." Sun Tzu, The Art of War
|
Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
235
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 20:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
Generally, people who shoot at other people who dont shoot back, will call the people who dont shoot back carebears. Or someone who DOES shoot but has no idea how the pvp mechanics work, at all, and so dies horribly and sometimes embarrasingly. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17623
|
Posted - 2014.04.02 00:11:00 -
[58] - Quote
Carebears are the people that want Eve to be a single player game, especially with regards to highsec and non consensual PvP. They want CCP to adapt the game to suit them, not adapt themselves to the game.
It's possible to be a PvE player without being a carebear.
|
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1543
|
Posted - 2014.04.02 15:48:00 -
[59] - Quote
Forest Archer wrote:Another variation is one whose sole goal is focused around the accumulation of wealth/Isk usually through pve often to get better mods/(gear) only to be better at pve. These people inevitably die in shame. |
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |