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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3012
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:38:00 -
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Short of totally scrapping the Nestor and revamping its role, let's have a productive discussion on what can be done to improve it. There are already apparently some changes coming in Rubicon 1.3 (RR distance, capacitor capacity and recharge), so other than these and adding a Covert Ops cloak, what aspects can be tweaked? Let's look at the other two SoE ships in comparison to the other Pirate ships in their class:
Astero ... 2.87x inertia (6/6), 312m/sec (3/6) Stratios ... 0.47x inertia (4/6), 182m/sec (3/6) Nestor ... 0.18x inertia (6/6), 92m/sec (6/6)
Not only does the Nestor have the worst inertia and speed (despite the lowest mass), but the inertia is 32.3% greater the the slowest Pirate battleship. This seems terribly at odds with having the lowest mass and fastest warp speed. So here is my suggestion:
Nestor ... 0.18x inertia -+ 0.090 inertia; this makes it the third most agile battleship, behind the Machariel and Vindicator Nestor ... 92m/sec -+ 120m/sec; this makes it the third fastest battleship, behind the Machariel and Vindicator
Twice as agile - 30% faster. Now it can actually make good utilization of the higher warp speed. Comments and additional suggestions welcome. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
HiddenPorpoise
BG-1 The Craniac
174
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Posted - 2014.03.08 04:45:00 -
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If it had the grid to mount large reps, the recharge to power them, and the tank to last longer than a prophecy I don't care about the inertia. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3012
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Posted - 2014.03.08 04:46:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:If it had the grid to mount large reps, the recharge to power them, and the tank to last longer than a prophecy I don't care about the inertia. I'm not sure the tank aspect can be improved without another low slot. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
870
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Posted - 2014.03.08 04:57:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:If it had the grid to mount large reps, the recharge to power them, and the tank to last longer than a prophecy I don't care about the inertia. I'm not sure the tank aspect can be improved without another low slot.
You can get a monster tank on it.
Just doesn't have the cap to do anything except be a brick afterwards. With DUAL boosters you get timed endurance out of it. Even with a pair of CPRs in the lows you need to be sucking navy 800s to run for 5 minutes single boostest with a MWD on it. I actually posted the fit in the other thread.
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3012
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:11:00 -
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Onictus wrote:You can get a monster tank on it.
Just doesn't have the cap to do anything except be a brick afterwards. With DUAL boosters you get timed endurance out of it. Even with a pair of CPRs in the lows you need to be sucking navy 800s to run for 5 minutes single boostest with a MWD on it. I actually posted the fit in the other thread. This is probably true with many ships as well, if one is inclined to turn them into a flying brick. However, most do not also fetch a price of $1.5-billion for the brick "feature"... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
227
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:44:00 -
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Turn it into a space hotdog stand. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
293
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:49:00 -
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Reprocess it, use minerals to make rifters, done.
e: after re-reading first line of pos I realize that this ins't an option.
my bad |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3012
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:04:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Reprocess it, use minerals to make rifters, done. e: after re-reading first line of pos I realize that this ins't an option. my bad There's no such thing as a bad idea. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
870
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:31:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Onictus wrote:You can get a monster tank on it.
Just doesn't have the cap to do anything except be a brick afterwards. With DUAL boosters you get timed endurance out of it. Even with a pair of CPRs in the lows you need to be sucking navy 800s to run for 5 minutes single boostest with a MWD on it. I actually posted the fit in the other thread. This is probably true with many ships as well, if one is inclined to turn them into a flying brick. However, most do not also fetch a price of $1.5-billion for this feature...
Thats four reppers and three energy transfers spidering
Like so [Nestor, Nest]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script 100MN Microwarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Warden II x5 Garde II x5
Ok so this turd
Spidered no cap boosters cap last 1:43 (!) 15:00 with one booster and the MWD off stable at 27% (read likely not stable eveHQ does perfect world) with TWO cap boosters the MWD on AND spidered
Not spidering? just LOL Everything running......2:46 sec (no energy transfers) with boosters and prop on stable at 51% with both boosters on 2:33 on booster no prop (think reloading) 1:16 with prop and one booster.
This is with 3 semi's two CPRs and two cap boosters....only four reppers, and it only gets worse if you add trimarks.
I run 3x1 on dominixs to get them stable and they have DAMN NEAR THE tank, more DPS and better range. Granted the can't rep as far, but lol, 20k isn't really anything to scream about.
...and yeah, if I need a flying brick, I have an archon. You aren't outbricking that ***** short of an Aeon or Titan. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3012
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:50:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Ok so this turd... So what's the point of this again? As a proof-of-fail concept? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
333
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Posted - 2014.03.08 10:27:00 -
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1. Make it blackops 2. ???? 3. Profit! I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
780
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Posted - 2014.03.08 12:58:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Onictus wrote:You can get a monster tank on it.
Just doesn't have the cap to do anything except be a brick afterwards. With DUAL boosters you get timed endurance out of it. Even with a pair of CPRs in the lows you need to be sucking navy 800s to run for 5 minutes single boostest with a MWD on it. I actually posted the fit in the other thread. This is probably true with many ships as well, if one is inclined to turn them into a flying brick. However, most do not also fetch a price of $1.5-billion for this feature...
The cost is being fixed by making them drop (via some intermediate steps) in drone sites. Once the cost is fixed they will be suddenly more popular. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
677
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Posted - 2014.03.08 13:06:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Onictus wrote:You can get a monster tank on it.
Just doesn't have the cap to do anything except be a brick afterwards. With DUAL boosters you get timed endurance out of it. Even with a pair of CPRs in the lows you need to be sucking navy 800s to run for 5 minutes single boostest with a MWD on it. I actually posted the fit in the other thread. This is probably true with many ships as well, if one is inclined to turn them into a flying brick. However, most do not also fetch a price of $1.5-billion for this feature... The cost is being fixed by making them drop (via some intermediate steps) in drone sites. Once the cost is fixed they will be suddenly more popular. In Europe some of the old eastern european cars, were very very cheap and some people in the west actually bought them. They were awful deathtraps that looked like a car, and that's where the resemblance ended. Some people actually convinced themselves that they liked them. They also produced thousands of jokes based around the owners and their cars.
It didn't change the fact that they were useless at any price.
What was it you said about the nestor being bought because it was cheap again? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3012
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Posted - 2014.03.08 13:11:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:The cost is being fixed by making them drop (via some intermediate steps) in drone sites. Once the cost is fixed they will be suddenly more popular. Every other Pirate battleship can outperform it, so no - until it becomes useful it won't become more popular. Most of the Pirate ships out-DPS the Nestor by 20-30% or more... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
366
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:15:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Silvetica Dian wrote:The cost is being fixed by making them drop (via some intermediate steps) in drone sites. Once the cost is fixed they will be suddenly more popular. Every other Pirate battleship can outperform it, so no - until it becomes useful it won't become more popular. Most of the Pirate ships out-DPS the Nestor by 20-30% or more...
Might be more popular for incursion vanguard sites is about it...
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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
155
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:23:00 -
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Think of it like this, Nestor reps + sentries = slowkittens Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
871
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:39:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Think of it like this, Nestor reps + sentries = slowkittens
Except that you can do it better with pretty much every other battlehsip
....for a third of the hull price. |
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University Minmatar Republic
275
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:56:00 -
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Why were they so reluctant to just give it a CovOps? Just don't give it the ability to make a CovOps Jump and everything's cool. More grid, **** the triage role, and turn it into a bigger, more expensive Stratios. Like it was supposed to be. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
677
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Posted - 2014.03.08 21:52:00 -
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Been thinking on this and trying to find a solution to the problem in wormholes without adding any power whatsoever.
Read it all please and take a second to think it through.
Do NOT allow the covert ops to be fitted but instead build the following into the ship.
When the ship is in warp it warps cloaked but has to be exactly the same as at the moment, as in has to be uncloaked to activate warp and uncloaks when coming out of warp and arriving.
So this solves the problem of being uncloaked on dscan when transiting a system while adding exactly zero to its combat capabilities.
This would allow it to be used in wormhole space. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
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