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Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:12:00 -
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There are many ways to enjoy EvE Online...mining , manufacturing , missions , ratting , exploration as well as PvPing . It's well known even to newcomers that if you want to go after the the most lucretive fruit that is found in null-sec , low-sec and wormhole space . In other words "dangerous" space . There aren't many people in system in null/low/WH space and it's fairly easy to keep track of who's who out there . Plus there are intel channels , something you couldn't even make work in a system like Jita or others with anywhere from 300 to 3000 people in them at all times . A ganker can slide right up next to you in high-sec and you'd never even know they were a threat until it was too late to do anything about it . They use cheap little throw-away catalysts for the most part but even the new T3 battlecruisers are no big loss compared to the riches that can be carried by some poor unsuspecting frieghter pilot in high-sec carrying the sum total of perhaps 3-4 years accumulation and work in a ship that moves like a snail and can't even fit so much as a defense mod . What i'm saying is if you're ganked in anything other than high-sec you were often just plain unlucky and taking your chances . Not going about your business like in high-sec where you only had a slow reacting CONCORD to depend on to almost save your ship . So I've got a few suggestions for CCP based on the above "if possible" . #1 make CONCORD show up as soon ships turn on the "disable safety" button and blow up any ship that fires on another that they don't have a war-dec or a killright on . #2 Give ships in high-sec the same DPS as a high-sec RAT would have if they were attempting to blow up a ship that they didn't have a killright or a war-dec on .
There's been a lot of buzz going around about how much danger there should be in high-sec but I don't force my game on gankers so why should they be allowed to force their game on me !
**what...what's that ? did i hear the word whine**
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
31
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:22:00 -
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I can see this thread ending well...
Look dont haul more then 1 billion isk in a freighter. If its less then a billion they cant make a profit from a gank. Why the heck are you carrying 3-4 years worth of work in one cargo? Comeon man, you wouldnt take $40 000 out of the bank and have it in your wallet for the monthly shop in wal mart would you? "and oh honey can we goto the shopping centre that just opened? yeah sure let me just get the passports, wedding photos and the kids college funds in $100 notes"
Whats the matter with you? Dont you know how to fly safe? heres my sugestion for a change to the game by ccp. anyone attempting to undock with more then 50 million in a t1 and more then 1 billion in a freighter gets a warning pop up and has to comfirm that yes they know its an unsafe cargo and yes they want to go ahead anyway. Erotica 1: "I would create a massive pyramid scheme in Eve to show you what it is, but I'm an honest business person, so you'll just have to find education elsewhere. Start with the wiki link that was linked by a person who didn't even read what he linked." Theres a reason I play eve XD |
Istyn
Freight Club The Marmite Collective
303
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:41:00 -
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Matogg wrote: There's been a lot of buzz going around about how much danger there should be in high-sec but I don't force my game on gankers so why should they be allowed to force their game on me !
Their game is Eve Online. Gankers act in almost exactly the same way as countless Eve marketing and trailers, making the universe a cruel, harsh place with suddenly explosions.
Not sure how you think this isn't forcing 'your game' (insert gb2WOW joke) on them and the rest of Eve by essentially wanting safe areas or a PVP flagging system, the exact opposite of the games design from the beginning. |
Dave Stark
4466
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:43:00 -
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Matogg wrote:There's been a lot of buzz going around about how much danger there should be in high-sec but I don't force my game on gankers so why should they be allowed to force their game on me !
they're not forcing anything on you. they aren't making you undock. |
Lina Drasselbaff
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:16:00 -
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Spread this over two replies because of the "you can only quote 5 times" rule.
Matogg wrote:It's well known even to newcomers that if you want to go after the the most lucretive fruit that is found in null-sec , low-sec and wormhole space . In other words "dangerous" space . Null and low aren't dangerous. They're more risky which isn't the same thing.
The key difference between high and not high is concord acts as a deterrant and retribution in high, but it's far FAR more dangerous than either null or low.
Matogg wrote:A ganker can slide right up next to you in high-sec and you'd never even know they were a threat until it was too late to do anything about it . Destroyers don't just insta-appear you know. Use dscan and you can see them coming in advance. There are other problems such as if you're being bumped and thus can't align out, but it's far from "you'd never even know"
Matogg wrote:even the new T3 battlecruisers are no big loss compared to the riches that can be carried by some poor unsuspecting frieghter pilot in high-sec carrying the sum total of perhaps 3-4 years accumulation and work in a ship that moves like a snail and can't even fit so much as a defense mod . I assume you're talking about freighters? Get a friend, get an alt, duel them, get webbed = into warp much faster. That's the snail part sorted. Don't fit your entire life's work in there. That's the target part sorted. Give your stuff to a courier with approprirate collaterol, problem solved.
Let me ask this. Let's say you live on a road that's known for carjackings. Do you pack your $5000 home cinema system in your car in plain view, then drive down that road slowly? No? So why do it in EVE.
Matogg wrote:What i'm saying is if you're ganked in anything other than high-sec you were often just plain unlucky and taking your chances . You take your chances in any sec. It sounds like you're saying "high sec is supposed to be safe" which isn't true.
Matogg wrote:#1 make CONCORD show up as soon ships turn on the "disable safety" button and blow up any ship that fires on another that they don't have a war-dec or a killright on . #2 Give ships in high-sec the same DPS as a high-sec RAT would have if they were attempting to blow up a ship that they didn't have a killright or a war-dec on . Suggestions for players: don't put your entire house in a freighter, don't mine without being alert, learn the game mechanics so you don't get caught out on can flipping and the like. |
Lina Drasselbaff
Viziam Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:16:00 -
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Matogg wrote:There's been a lot of buzz going around about how much danger there should be in high-sec but I don't force my game on gankers so why should they be allowed to force their game on me ! Welcome to EVE! Where someone ruining your day without your permission is one of the main selling points. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
918
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Posted - 2014.03.08 12:02:00 -
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OP, please post your lossmail so we can all have a good laugh. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Dreadchain
Lavateinn
31
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Posted - 2014.03.08 12:57:00 -
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1/10
www.minerbumping.com |
Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.08 13:00:00 -
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I didn't expect to be making friends among high-sec gankers and ganker sympathizers and I have only this to say to those who have posted so far in reply .
HI-SEC GANKING IS NOT ANYBODY'S RIGHT ...IT IS ILLEAGLE !
The problem is that a blind eye has been turned to it for the last few years as it steadily got worse . There used to be fun for all not just a minor segment of the playing population who will milk this cow until it can't stand up . CONCORD needs longer arms and sharper teeth . |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2014.03.08 13:10:00 -
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Matogg wrote:I didn't expect to be making friends among high-sec gankers and ganker sympathizers and I have only this to say to those who have posted so far in reply .
HI-SEC GANKING IS NOT ANYBODY'S RIGHT ...IT IS ILLEAGLE !
Yes, it's not a right - it's a duty! |
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Jayem See
Perkone Caldari State
2419
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Posted - 2014.03.08 14:09:00 -
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Matogg wrote:
HI-SEC GANKING IS NOT ANYBODY'S RIGHT ...IT IS ILLEAGLE !
ARE YOU SURE ITS NOT SICKHAWK? Aaaaaaand relax. |
Lina Drasselbaff
Viziam Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2014.03.08 14:32:00 -
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Matogg wrote:HI-SEC GANKING IS NOT ANYBODY'S RIGHT ...IT IS ILLEAGLE ! And, as with illegal things in real life, the police come and punish the aggressors
Matogg wrote:The problem is that a blind eye has been turned to it for the last few years as it steadily got worse . There used to be fun for all not just a minor segment of the playing population who will milk this cow until it can't stand up . CONCORD needs longer arms and sharper teeth . Concord has received several buffs over the last few years. In the early days you could actually tank Concord and repeatedly kill ships. There's a video on youtube of a smartbomber getting remote reps. I believe he killed hundreds of pods.
The problem these days is too many people want CCP to "fix things", rather than putting in their own effort of self protection. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4150
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Posted - 2014.03.08 20:23:00 -
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OP, I strongly suggest you purchase a mining permit and change your ways asap. You can read the full text of the Code at www.minerbumping.com as well as read some delightful articles.
Also, please spell words how they are actually spelled instead of how you wish they were spelled. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Psychotic Monk
Vivaldi Reloaded
1901
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Posted - 2014.03.08 21:10:00 -
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OP, the fact that all areas of space are competitive is one of the few things that makes this MMO a different and shining gem among the MMO landscape. Do you really want to rob the world of such a beautiful and unique game? Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity |
Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.09 01:11:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:OP, the fact that all areas of space are competitive is one of the few things that makes this MMO a different and shining gem among the MMO landscape. Do you really want to rob the world of such a beautiful and unique game?
Monk I'm really not trying to get rid of PvP or even ganking for that matter , they're part of the game and as such they deserve a place in it . My problem is with hi-sec ganking . It's NOT PvP IMO it's plain and simply a cheap shot and an affront on my sense of fair play . It should offend anybody who can tell the difference between right and wrong . Also it alters the entire fabric of the game itself when routes to and from the large hubs like Jita seem to be constantly patrolled by a few people with their own selfish interests at heart and not the interests of this gem of a game we play . Yes CONCORD gets there but usurally not in time to save the day and voices like mine are just going to get louder and more numerous until something is done about it .
Erotica you and CODE are one of the major things wrong with this game ! You put a whole new spin on on the word "cheapshot" . It's not enough that you gank innocent miners in high-sec you attempt to extort money out of them as well and as if that wasn't enough you rub salt into the wound by making them support your neferious activites in thier personal bios . You remind me of a school bully who doesn't think it's enough to beat up his opponent but also makes them get down on their knees to ask his forgiveness . Your "messiah" James315 is nothing but a devils advocate who sounds like he got his education at the hands of Satan himself........yes i've read his stuff . |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17036
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Posted - 2014.03.09 01:25:00 -
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Matogg wrote: So I've got a few suggestions for CCP based on the above "if possible" . #1 make CONCORD show up as soon ships turn on the "disable safety" button and blow up any ship that fires on another that they don't have a war-dec or a killright on
Nope that is a direct infringement on a legitimate game choice Quote: #2 Give ships in high-sec the same DPS as a high-sec RAT would have if they were attempting to blow up a ship that they didn't have a killright or a war-dec on Nope, it won't make any difference, people would still die because gankers would simply bring along enough ships to do the job, especially while people insist on stuffing everything they own into ships and autopiloting through the highsec chokepoints.
Quote:There's been a lot of buzz going around about how much danger there should be in high-sec but I don't force my game on gankers so why should they be allowed to force their game on me ! Nobody is forcing their game on anybody, ganking is as much part of the game as anything else, you can't play Eve and expect to be exempt from some of what makes it Eve. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
832
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Posted - 2014.03.09 01:32:00 -
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Matogg wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:OP, the fact that all areas of space are competitive is one of the few things that makes this MMO a different and shining gem among the MMO landscape. Do you really want to rob the world of such a beautiful and unique game? Monk I'm really not trying to get rid of PvP or even ganking for that matter , they're part of the game and as such they deserve a place in it . My problem is with hi-sec ganking . It's NOT PvP IMO it's plain and simply a cheap shot and an affront on my sense of fair play . It should offend anybody who can tell the difference between right and wrong . Also it alters the entire fabric of the game itself when routes to and from the large hubs like Jita seem to be constantly patrolled by a few people with their own selfish interests at heart and not the interests of this gem of a game we play . Yes CONCORD gets there but usurally not in time to save the day and voices like mine are just going to get louder and more numerous until something is done about it .
You aren't trying to get rid of ganking, you are just trying to get rid of ganking of you. Which you can do, without forum moaning. I haven't ever lost a spaceship to other players in highsec, on any of my characters.
Step 1 - undock insta Step 2 - don't autopilot Step 3 - use the right ship for the right load, and occasionally divide the load to make that true. Step 4 - use something other than perimeter gate Step 5 - have docking insta.
Note the above is nearly good enough to avoid being killed by a wartarget who has far more freedom to engage than a ganker does (ship selection matters a lot if you are at war).
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Erotica you and CODE are one of the major things wrong with this game ! You put a whole new spin on on the word "cheapshot" . It's not enough that you gank innocent miners in high-sec you attempt to extort money out of them as well and as if that wasn't enough you rub salt into the wound by making them support your neferious activites in thier personal bios . You remind me of a school bully who doesn't think it's enough to beat up his opponent but also makes them get down on their knees to ask his forgiveness . Your "messiah" James315 is nothing but a devils advocate who sounds like he got his education at the hands of Satan himself........yes i've read his stuff .
No - keeping afk out of the game is not a bad thing. The only problem that James has is using 3x as many words to get a point across as is necessary much of the time. |
Znagl
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:39:00 -
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Dear OP,
these bad people violating your internet spaceship are a common problem in Highsec. Therefore, CCP has posted a Video on youtube on how to deal with this issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2217
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Posted - 2014.03.09 05:01:00 -
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OP - I see more ganking in your future. Consider yourself watchlisted.
Are you aware that I can ask a level 4 mission agent to locate you, and within 4 or so minutes I will get a mail with your location? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3011
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Posted - 2014.03.09 05:15:00 -
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Everything is wrong with his first post, I don't know where to begin.
Oh, wait, yes I do.
Quit EVE immediately, and go back to WoW where you belong. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2218
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Posted - 2014.03.09 06:13:00 -
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Znagl wrote:Dear OP, these bad people violating your internet spaceship are a common problem in Highsec. Therefore, CCP has posted a Video on youtube on how to deal with this issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
You, sir, win the forum. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Dexxel Farcry
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
10
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Posted - 2014.03.09 06:26:00 -
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Matogg wrote:
HI-SEC GANKING IS NOT ANYBODY'S RIGHT ...IT IS ILLEAGLE !
"You must unlearn, what you have learned.."
- Scrooge Mcduck |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4156
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Posted - 2014.03.09 06:35:00 -
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I have recommended multiple parts of this thread be put onto an EVE fansite for wider disemenation.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
59
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Posted - 2014.03.09 07:09:00 -
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Tbh, I think a full PvP universe would be better than a weird split up one like this; at least in full PvP, you know what to expect, whereas how it is now, people have no idea what kind of weird loophole mechanics exist... sure, Eve is a different world, but like seriously.. maybe they should add suicide ganking to the tutorial system, so as to show people how to avoid it. :D |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
63
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Posted - 2014.03.09 07:49:00 -
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Technically, he's right. Highsec ganking is illegal and not anyone's right. That's why CONCORD blows up your ship. The point of the sandbox, however, is that you can do illegal things. You can even come up with a whole roleplay scheme about ganking people, pretend you're saving something or other, and come to the forums to prattle on endlessly about it. |
Dexxel Farcry
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
10
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Posted - 2014.03.09 08:43:00 -
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Matogg wrote:
HI-SEC GANKING IS NOT ANYBODY'S RIGHT ...IT IS ILLEAGLE !
MY GOD!
I'LL CALL A VETERINARIAN RIGHT NOW! |
Dave Stark
4473
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Posted - 2014.03.09 08:54:00 -
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Matogg wrote:It should offend anybody who can tell the difference between right and wrong .
it offends my sense of right and wrong that you think people shouldn't be punished for bad decisions like loading billions in to their freighter, or not accepting the increased risk of using untanked ships to mine with. |
Dave Stark
4473
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Posted - 2014.03.09 08:59:00 -
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Dexxel Farcry wrote:Matogg wrote:
HI-SEC GANKING IS NOT ANYBODY'S RIGHT ...IT IS ILLEAGLE !
MY GOD! I'LL CALL A VETERINARIAN RIGHT NOW!
will he be bitter? |
Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
104
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Posted - 2014.03.09 10:08:00 -
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OP, maybe you should play WOW. |
Kaea Astridsson
SoLuTech - Your Solution for Everything
13
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Posted - 2014.03.09 10:19:00 -
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Your second point seems like the shittiest game mechanics invented, and how can you as a 2009 character not be aware of risk assessment. Hope your eagle gets better. |
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