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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.11 03:07:00 -
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much mad
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.03.11 03:12:00 -
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Brylan Grey wrote:Sounds like someone is afraid of a fight.
Grr, not whelping.
This might surprise you guys, but I do my best to not take 40 to 1 fights. I know, shocking, right? In fact, I try my level best not to whelp ships for no reason or benefit to myself.
Truly appalling, right? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Brylan Grey
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.03.11 03:31:00 -
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So bring stuff. Don't go alone.
In fact, bring friends. Lots of them.
We enjoy a good match because it is fun, aids our skills, and is involving.
Hi-Sec ganking requires none of that. You may learn a lot from The Scope. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3039
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Posted - 2014.03.11 03:33:00 -
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Brylan Grey wrote:
We enjoy a good match because it is fun, aids our skills, and is involving.
Why do you think I like ganking (and especially awoxing)?
Are you seriously telling me that what I find fun is wrong because what you find fun is different? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.03.11 03:41:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Matogg wrote:I don't force my game on gankers In a competitive MMO, you're doing it wrong.
Allow me to explain it :
I'm an industrialist .... What if there was a rule that gankers had to except contracts to buy our stuff regardless if they wanted it or not ? You don't buy , you aren't allowed to gank !
I'm a miner ... every ganker is required to spend half his time mining regardless of whether he cares for mining or not ?
Ridiculous ? Of course ! So why should your game carry anymore weight than mine ? I repeat "I don't force my game on gankers" Why should hi-sec gankers be allowed to move through hi-sec space like wolves in sheep's clothing ? Somebody who was defending hi-sec ganking mentioned that Jita had the highest value kills anywhere ....well you would wonder why with THOUSANDS of people in system to keep track of and none going flashy until they open fire . |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4489
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Posted - 2014.03.11 03:43:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Brylan Grey wrote:
We enjoy a good match because it is fun, aids our skills, and is involving.
Why do you think I like ganking (and especially awoxing)? Are you seriously telling me that what I find fun is wrong because what you find fun is different?
No we're saying prove your prowess you prat.
Carebears finally form up to fight and griefers don't bring it, what nerds.
Also we're lucky to get 20 in fleet, christ.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3039
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:10:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Brylan Grey wrote:
We enjoy a good match because it is fun, aids our skills, and is involving.
Why do you think I like ganking (and especially awoxing)? Are you seriously telling me that what I find fun is wrong because what you find fun is different? No we're saying prove your prowess you prat. Carebears finally form up to fight and griefers don't bring it, what nerds. Also we're lucky to get 20 in fleet, christ.
And now we're back to the part where I reiterate that the person who specifically and explicitly refused to fight a 1V1 instead of a fleetV1 has no room to talk trash. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3039
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:15:00 -
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You know, Anslo, I hadn't ever before bothered to read that blog you have linked in your sig, but man, that was totally worth ten minutes.
I especially love the part (in November 2012 I believe) where the theoretical readers are exhorted to make their voices heard in the CCP sticky and, what was it, "preserve their liberty of play" or whatever?
That was priceless. Like the liberty to NOT play the game is something that needs to be preserved.
How did all that go, by the way? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4489
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:22:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You know, Anslo, I hadn't ever before bothered to read that blog you have linked in your sig, but man, that was totally worth ten minutes.
I especially love the part (in November 2012 I believe) where the theoretical readers are exhorted to make their voices heard in the CCP sticky and, what was it, "preserve their liberty of play" or whatever?
That was priceless. Like the liberty to NOT play the game is something that needs to be preserved.
How did all that go, by the way?
We took a different approach and trained up gunnery skills.
Clearly it worked, as the gank/grief community seems to be afraid of the carebear's with guns.
:3
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3041
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:28:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You know, Anslo, I hadn't ever before bothered to read that blog you have linked in your sig, but man, that was totally worth ten minutes.
I especially love the part (in November 2012 I believe) where the theoretical readers are exhorted to make their voices heard in the CCP sticky and, what was it, "preserve their liberty of play" or whatever?
That was priceless. Like the liberty to NOT play the game is something that needs to be preserved.
How did all that go, by the way? We took a different approach and trained up gunnery skills. Clearly it worked, as the gank/grief community seems to be afraid of the carebear's with guns. :3
Funny, then why hasn't the bumping and ganking stopped? I ganked a guy in Sinq Laison earlier, and no "carebears with guns" came to stop me. The botter in question didn't even have his drones out, so no one got on my killmail.
I have to say, I question your effectiveness. And if all you meant by that statement above was that you stopped mining... well then, I guess we really know who wins, don't we? That's kinda the point of the whole New Order thing, to make those freaking people actually play the game.
If you want to thank us, I totally understand. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4489
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Funny, then why hasn't the bumping and ganking stopped? I ganked a guy in Sinq Laison earlier, and no "carebears with guns" came to stop me. The botter in question didn't even have his drones out, so no one got on my killmail.
We prevent the high<->low camps, we teach our bears how to survive and kill. We can't be everywhere at once. But we still win simply by existing and doing what we do :)
Quote:I have to say, I question your effectiveness. And if all you meant by that statement above was that you stopped mining... well then, I guess we really know who wins, don't we? That's kinda the point of whole New Order thing, to make those freaking people actually play the game. The funny thing is, I can't even fly a venture vOv
But no, the miners we have still mine, and OUR miners don't get ganked. They learn. And we grow, everyday. And there is nothing you can do to stop us :)
Quote:If you want to thank us, I totally understand Gratitude is reserved for the relevant.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3041
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:41:00 -
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Now that is a nice piece of self delusion right there.
Guess what, slick? I still bump and gank to my heart's content. I've nailed more than a few guys from the Scope, one of my gank alts lives in Gallente space for that matter.
You haven't stopped jack, and you're just puffing yourself up to disguise the fact that your Proveldtariat got rolled and disbanded in record time. So now, you lot basically ran away from the New Order, dove headfirst into NPC corps, and claimed victory because unicorns.
But the bumping continues, and the ganking goes on.
You've stopped nothing. You've accomplished none of your original (hilarious) stated goals. And when you failed in your blatant attempts to call CCP on us (because they basically told you to get stuffed), you claim victory anyway.
But I guess the South will rise again, or whatever helps you sleep at night.
In the meantime, if you're ever interested in fighting us(since you refused a 1v1 and you won't fight without a fleet behind you), you can always wardec the numerous New Order corporations out there. Oh, wait, NPC corp, right.
What is it that you do... precisely? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4489
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:45:00 -
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What do we do? ***** I told youlike three times already come find out but you keep going around this big old circle of logic.
Whatever, cultural victory. GG.
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Istyn
Freight Club The Marmite Collective
305
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Posted - 2014.03.11 05:22:00 -
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How did you two manage to make this thread even stupider?
Impressive. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3043
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Posted - 2014.03.11 05:31:00 -
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Istyn wrote:How did you two manage to make this thread even stupider?
Impressive.
Quote:"Fight me bro, gankers have no balls!"
"Ok, but not all of you..."
"Nuh uh! Nut up or shut up!"
"That actually applies against a 40 man fleet?"
"Yeah huh! And it's only a 20 man fleet, so there!"
"Why not just fight me by yourself?"
"You don't deserve a fair fight! Gankers are wussies for not fighting fair though!"
That's how. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
11
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Posted - 2014.03.11 07:03:00 -
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Matogg wrote:I didn't expect to be making friends among high-sec gankers and ganker sympathizers and I have only this to say to those who have posted so far in reply .
HI-SEC GANKING IS NOT ANYBODY'S RIGHT ...IT IS ILLEAGLE !
The problem is that a blind eye has been turned to it for the last few years as it steadily got worse . There used to be fun for all not just a minor segment of the playing population who will milk this cow until it can't stand up . CONCORD needs longer arms and sharper teeth .
Your right it is illegal... That's why all of those catalysts got destroyed. Too bad your loot pi+¦ata blew up before their catalysts blew up |
Kaea Astridsson
SoLuTech - Your Solution for Everything
15
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Posted - 2014.03.11 07:42:00 -
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Quote:I'm an industrialist .... What if there was a rule that gankers had to except contracts to buy our stuff regardless if they wanted it or not ? You don't buy , you aren't allowed to gank !
They already have to buy stuff in order to be allowed to gank: weapons, ammunitions, ships - everything they use to blow you up is either built or loot from a missionrunner. And just because you're an industrial doesn't mean you have to mine, buy minerals you need and pay someone for shipping. |
Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
62
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Posted - 2014.03.11 07:43:00 -
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Matogg wrote: There are many ways to enjoy EvE Online...mining , manufacturing , missions , ratting , exploration as well as PvPing . It's well known even to newcomers that if you want to go after the the most lucretive fruit that is found in null-sec , low-sec and wormhole space . In other words "dangerous" space . There aren't many people in system in null/low/WH space and it's fairly easy to keep track of who's who out there . Plus there are intel channels , something you couldn't even make work in a system like Jita or others with anywhere from 300 to 3000 people in them at all times . A ganker can slide right up next to you in high-sec and you'd never even know they were a threat until it was too late to do anything about it . They use cheap little throw-away catalysts for the most part but even the new T3 battlecruisers are no big loss compared to the riches that can be carried by some poor unsuspecting frieghter pilot in high-sec carrying the sum total of perhaps 3-4 years accumulation and work in a ship that moves like a snail and can't even fit so much as a defense mod . What i'm saying is if you're ganked in anything other than high-sec you were often just plain unlucky and taking your chances . Not going about your business like in high-sec where you only had a slow reacting CONCORD to depend on to almost save your ship . So I've got a few suggestions for CCP based on the above "if possible" . #1 make CONCORD show up as soon ships turn on the "disable safety" button and blow up any ship that fires on another that they don't have a war-dec or a killright on . #2 Give ships in high-sec the same DPS as a high-sec RAT would have if they were attempting to blow up a ship that they didn't have a killright or a war-dec on .
There's been a lot of buzz going around about how much danger there should be in high-sec but I don't force my game on gankers so why should they be allowed to force their game on me !
**what...what's that ? did i hear the word whine**
carebear alert whoop whoop carebear alert whoop whoop |
Lina Drasselbaff
Viziam Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2014.03.11 11:39:00 -
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Matogg wrote:Somebody who was defending hi-sec ganking mentioned that Jita had the highest value kills anywhere ....well you would wonder why with THOUSANDS of people in system to keep track of and none going flashy until they open fire . At least I know you'r reading my posts, even if you don't respond to my points.
To answer this. Most industrialists spend time in stations, you can view local from station. You can set up small colortags and standings based on killboards, experience, or corp/alliance intel, this will give you a rough idea how many bad guys are around before you undock.
When you undock you can set your overview to highlight the people with negative sec status, or people with bad standings, or people with bounties. When you undock this will give you a rough idea of how many bad guys there are in the area. It's not gaurenteed, sure, but as with most other "but I can't do anything!!" posts, you can do something.
You can also use insta undocks which I suspect would prevent many of the ganks that currently happen.
Lastly, most people in Jita get ganked because they're too big a target. Carrying too much cargo, overusing plastic wrap etc. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
949
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:29:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Anslo wrote:We 'mouth breathers' did organize into a thing. We've been waiting to be 'put in our place as pubbies.' Sadly, highsec gankers dont seem to like low sec :( Tell me more, Anslo, what thing did you organize? Don't be cryptic.
You have to read his ineffectual, seldom-updated and horribly written blog to get more details. :P No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
79
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:22:00 -
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Anslo,
Please explain how camping low sec gates impacts hi sec gankers in the slightest.
Thanks |
Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.03.12 03:40:00 -
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Luwc wrote: carebear alert whoop whoop carebear alert whoop whoop The fun thing is. By these whiney threads you attract even more people to gank you because seeing you cry and beeing butthurt is mad fun . Also if I loot your ship and get a few T2 harvesters for a T1 destroyer I still make isk out of it. The idea is that nothing in this game should be without risk and its supposed to be that way. There is no broken mechanic Your ideas of "Concord protocted space" are broken. Please leave EvE or man up. <3 u
Ok I'll answer this post just because it's so filled with unoriginal thoughts like "whiney" , "carebear alert" , "cry" and suggestions that there's only one way to enjoy EvE.....yours..... ! Why should you care what I say ? You're out in null-sec , aren't you ? I've made no suggestions for any changes out in null or low-sec or WH space for that matter . If you ganked me out in Fountain I'd probably congratulate you unless you were blue to me . Plus telling me to "leave EvE" says you haven't been reading much of this thread [it's been stated....frequently] . What it does say is that you're probably not one of a hand full of highly vocal pro-gankers with more accounts than most people can afford ! Just a random poster .
The pro-gankers got good reason to be afraid of guys like me . The Gods of EvE might actually be paying attention . They have before . In the beginning high-sec was without protection it seems . Maybe just a few guns here and there . Then gankers made the installation of CONCORD necessary but alas they were weak and might easily be ganked themselves . Thank gankers for the next installation . They gave CONCORD the dreaded Doomsday Devise and made them tougher , maybe impossible to gank . To meet them now is to be driven before them like dust in the solar winds . Still there's room for improvement with organized crime getting bolder and more organized .
Yet there's still gankers who think this causes them to push the envelope further . They remind me of a burglar who discovers a big house with nobody home and a door key hidden in an obvious place . He enters and finds a number expensive items and money that could be pilfered and might even be blamed on somebody the owners knew if he had just kept a low profile , steal them and lock the door behind him . Also it could have been a place he might have been able to visit again ......but....Oh no , not him . He has to get on the phone and call a bunch of friends to back up on the lawn with their cars and clean the place out . His ego you know . So this lets the owners know something is up . The cops dust for fingerprints and find them on the phone he used to call his buddies and instead of wealth , he gets the slammer !
Moral : gankers are afraid that my voice might cause them to loose their big rich house . They really ought to blame themselves for loosing as much as they have already .
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Jared Lennox
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
15
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:03:00 -
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Matogg wrote: There are many ways to enjoy EvE Online...mining (Suicide Ganking) , manufacturing (Flying the manufactured Catalysts to Suicide Gank) , missions (AFK Officer Fit Raven Ganking) , ratting (side activity to buy more catalysts) , exploration (It's sometimes useful to find targets yes) as well as PvPing (I F*CKING LOL MACKINAW PVP AND FREIGHTER PVP WOOT \o/ .
Made some necessary corrections and snipped the parts where it was violating the New Halaima Code of Conduct.
It's called the Code Moderation.
I accept your apology in my wallet as a payment of 10m ISK. Normally I'd take more but since you are kinda new to this, I only take the default payment. And they say the Code is unfair ha.ha. It-¦s not a shame not to know; what is bad is not asking.
Blah
blah
Whine
Whine
Cry
Cry
Some nonsense
yada
yada
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Brylan Grey
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:11:00 -
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People still whining here.
If your idea of awesomely skilled pvp is to harass high sec industrialist... Well, erm, good for you? Really going for the lowest hanging fruit. Literally, heck, ain't even hanging, you're picking it up off the ground.
Small scale to medium scale low sec full on engagements are where the fun is for me. Going head to head with your machine against another machine... It is so much better. I mean seriously, my target should at least have a gun lol.
Anslo has stated he is in Huola. Even invited you to go there. Honestly, put your money where your mouth is and go. Least you get out of is a good time right?
Remember, this is a game. He is actually asking you to play a game with him... Don't leave. About hanging by himself in the play ground guys!! |
Jared Lennox
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
15
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:15:00 -
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Brylan Grey wrote:People still whining here.
Small scale to medium scale low sec full on engagements are where the fun is for me. Going head to head with your machine against another machine... It is so much better. I mean seriously, my target should at least have a gun lol.
Well, erm, good for you ! http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
Brylan Grey
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:29:00 -
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Jared Lennox wrote:[quote=Brylan Grey]People still whining here.
Well, erm, good for you !
Love you too! But seriously, different play styles for different folks. But aside from that, one can't claim superior game play when their entire goal in game is to make PVE players feel sad while the other side actively looks to engage.
That being said, hi sec ganking isn't as bad as it always sounds and seems. When I started eve I didn't know mechanics and go thanked for over half a billion due to my ignorance. But that only happened once. So, not like it's where hi sec people are too afraid to even undock.
Most I'd ask for, is to teach. Tell them what they did wrong or direct them to a place they can take revenge. Turn those care ears into blood thirsty PVPers!
Goal shouldn't be make them quit EVE, but get MORe involved. Hell, I'd admire a high sec ganging corp that asled their victims to seriously join them after. That would be hella cool... Can't join unless a previous victim lol. |
Jared Lennox
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
15
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:32:00 -
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Brylan Grey wrote:Jared Lennox wrote:[quote=Brylan Grey]People still whining here.
Well, erm, good for you ! Love you too! But seriously, different play styles for different folks. But aside from that, one can't claim superior game play when their entire goal in game is to make PVE players feel sad while the other side actively looks to engage. That being said, hi sec ha king isn't as bad as it always sounds and seems. When I started eve I didn't know mechanics and go thanked for over half a billion due to my ignorance. But that only happened once. So, not like it's where hi sec people are too afraid to even undock. Most I'd ask for, is to teach. Tell them what they did wrong or direct them to a place they can take revenge. Turn those care ears into blood thirsty PVPers! Goal shouldn't be make them quit EVE, but get MORe involved. Hell, I'd admire a high sec ganging corp that asled their victims to seriously join them after. That would be hella cool... Can't join unless a previous victim lol.
Ok trolling aside, but seriously you'd be surprised by the amount of highsec miners who wants to join us everyday :). After witnessing the death of their poor colleagues. We never turn them down believe me. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
Brylan Grey
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:45:00 -
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Well, so long as you don't grief players. Grieving is a bit different than being mean in local. Some people target them over and over. That stuff I can't stand.
And always be true to your word. Rand some for 10m, get 10m and leave, well then seems legit to me.
But if you ever want some sort of fleet engagement, then go for low sec, heck go with Anslo and set it up. It is a game after all. People want good fights, not always blobs. But, a starving animal will take what it can get! |
Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:55:00 -
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Lina Drasselbaff wrote:Matogg wrote:Somebody who was defending hi-sec ganking mentioned that Jita had the highest value kills anywhere ....well you would wonder why with THOUSANDS of people in system to keep track of and none going flashy until they open fire . At least I know you're reading my posts, even if you don't respond to my points.
Lina I don't mean to snub you and yes I read your posts . You give a lot of advice and perhaps I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as insincere . Sarcasm in these forums is sometimes quite subtle , I've found , in the short time I've been posting in them . If you're giving it in legitimate sincerity I apologize .
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Brylan Grey
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.03.12 05:21:00 -
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Matogg wrote:Lina Drasselbaff wrote:Matogg wrote:Somebody who was defending hi-sec ganking mentioned that Jita had the highest value kills anywhere ....well you would wonder why with THOUSANDS of people in system to keep track of and none going flashy until they open fire . At least I know you're reading my posts, even if you don't respond to my points. Lina I don't mean to snub you and yes I read your posts . You give a lot of advice and perhaps I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as insincere . Sarcasm in these forums is sometimes quite subtle , I've found , in the short time I've been posting in them . If you're giving it in legitimate sincerity I apologize .
Dude... I love you. A dang gentleman in eve... Rare. |
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