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MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 10:36:00 -
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In this world we have some absolutely, mindbogglingly brilliant minds. These people are diligently studying physics, designing military weaponry, and taking our overall technology leaps and bounds into the future. Every day someone invents something new. Computer software, communications, lasers that shoot down missiles, hyper-sonic missiles....
Do our nations not realize that if we ALL pool together, we could be sending ships to explore new planets in less than a generation? Physicist Michio Kaku stated that Star Trek, when it comes to influencing modern technology, is THE standard by which todays tech inventors hold themselves. Many, many of the things we see in Star Trek are not only possible, but already exist today. Doors that open and close by themselves, small handheld communication devices, and things that scan us for medical problems..... MRI's.
Currently, it seems everyone would rather squabble. Instead, we could pool together and explore new space based materials, new technology, and finding new planets. Heck, a company a while back was in news because of their aim to go mine space rocks LOL. And now we've got a group wanting to colonize Mars. But these are small beans compared to what we COULD be doing! I doubt we'll ever get to use a Transporter, but we SHOULD be reaching for the Stars instead of fighting each other over money! NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
Aspalis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.09 10:47:00 -
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There is a very simple reason why we are not living in a Star Trek-esque utopian world.
Us and them.
If you relate to people with a us and them-mentality, it becomes very easy to alienate, discriminate and even hate. |
Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 10:50:00 -
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Space exploration doesn't give many votes.
Things like: lower tax, better welfare and such do. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2014.03.09 10:50:00 -
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OP wants a one world order of french fries, hamburger, diet coke and no ice. Free.
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MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 11:00:00 -
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LOL no. Not at all. I'd rather it be a voluntary cooperation. I'm not a man who asks for things to be free. I can, and do, pay my own way, like I would think most people do. I used to have a lot to say in the negative about welfare, but as the economy gets worse I'm starting to soften my thoughts on that some. People should work, but when business are going out of business left and right, and the price to live goes up, you can't really do much about it.
Likewise, I wouldn't submit to a one world government. Ever.
But, it WOULD be a boost to economies all over this planet to go explore others. Finding new industry and moving forward. Look at us, we're stuck in the dark ages still. We're still doing the same crap that went in during the crusades, WWI, WWII..... It's no different today. We're still fighting each other. I did some of that fighting, and I personally just think we could do so much more with our time. NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
Sibyyl
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Posted - 2014.03.09 11:24:00 -
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I stopped reading at Kaku. He is a hack and he does real physicists a disservice.
The biggest barrier to space travel is our perception of scarcity as a species. As long as we think it's better to fight each other for resources instead of using them, this little rock that is Planet Earth is all we'll have to chew up and destroy.
This is not to say the laws of physics itself is not a barrier. Sure, you can go to other planets but you will be an old man if you take that journey. Mars takes a full year of spaceflight - it is virtually impossible to keep someone supplied in space for a journey like that.
/Fÿ¡
Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |
MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 11:34:00 -
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True, sending someone to another galaxy seems out of reach.
I was considering the idea of warp drive, or something similar, and thought, isn't it that the closer you get to speed of light, the larger you become or something like that, which will limit the amount of speed you can actually push? Maybe I'm off with that, but I do remember seeing some reason why light speed is impossible to achieve with anything other than light. Wormholes not withstanding, however I wouldn't have a clue how you would create one.
Mars takes 18 months to get to, unless it's on it's closest to earth in it's orbit, then it's 6 months. NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
Aspalis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.09 11:42:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I stopped reading at Kaku. He is a hack and he does real physicists a disservice.
Butthurt over the AMA he did on reddit where he pretty much ignored any hard (physicist) question? |
Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.09 11:48:00 -
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Thing is we already have the tech right now to travel at 10-30% of the speed of light and send massive payloads into space and we have had the tech for the last fifty sixty years, the hint here is the downside involves a lot of atmospheric radiation :D
edit But in saying that again things like that can be reduced with further research and resource dedication in such areas. |
Aspalis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.09 12:24:00 -
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Kudos12345 wrote:Thing is we already have the tech right now to travel at 10-30% of the speed of light and send massive payloads into space and we have had the tech for the last fifty sixty years, the hint here is the downside involves a lot of atmospheric radiation :D
edit But in saying that again things like that can be reduced with further research and resource dedication in such areas.
You are forgetting radiation from our own sun and other inter-stellar sources (galaxies, nebulae and stars). |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.09 12:46:00 -
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The problem is the Internet manifested itself and eventually proved that humanity is actually pretty despicable.
If there is no immediate method for profit from trying something new, the 1% is just not interested in financing it. They will frack the Earth to death before spending money on resources "elsewhere". It's more economically efficient that way doncha know ??
There is a frightening increase in the number of people the past decade who absolutely have no belief at all in science. Religious and sectarian wars are far more fun and exciting.
Besides, all people can talk about and debate about anymore are celebrities and scandals.
That's about it really. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:20:00 -
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Well, I happen to believe religion and science can work together just fine, once humans get out of our own way. But that pesky 1% does indeed put a damper on things. Currently a few of them are hell bent on keeping this planet and it's people unstable. Apparently it's more profitable when you control the people. Pushing wars over religion/resources/money/oil is not just profitable, it's a way to control people as well.
NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:38:00 -
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MutnantRebel wrote:LOL no. Not at all. I'd rather it be a voluntary cooperation.
Start Trek (Rodenberry) voluntarily created a *fictional* script where everyone volunteered to behave in a way other than humans have behaved for all of recorded history and poof the magical fairy land of the star trek world came to be.
MutnantRebel wrote: But, it WOULD be a boost to economies all over this planet to go explore others.
It would? How do you know? Fact of the matter is you don't know.
What WOULD boost the economy of the world is if all of the governments of the world stopped meddling in the affairs of all the people in the world. Governments produce nothing, all they do is consume wealth and consume productive capacity, and do so by involuntary means.
Imagine all of the time and effort spent, by individuals and business, on complying with regulations.
Imagine all the of the time and effort spent by governments on making sure people are complying with those regulations.
Imagine all of the time and effort spent by governments on administrating their regulations.
And not least of all, imagine all of the guns and bombs, which is wealth spent and then destroyed, destroying yet other forms of wealth all over the world, from fields to pigs and chickens, houses, buildings, and not least of all lives.
Add up all of the wealth, involuntary stolen from the people of the world, by the governments of the world.
Want a new planet to explore and give a massive boost to the economy? Get rid of your governments. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110516
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:50:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:
Imagine all of the time and effort spent, by individuals and business, on complying with regulations.
Imagine all the of the time and effort spent by governments on making sure people are complying with those regulations.
Imagine all of the time and effort spent by governments on administrating their regulations.
Yup. And still 4 stolen passports manage to get used to board a plane that went down.
Whether they bribed security employees, or if it is part of a massive terror operation, there is corruption and sabotage everywhere. Nobody and nothing is immune to this. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
65
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:59:00 -
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I was actually meaning the reaching minds of Trek fans that went out and used those ideas and made a few of them happen. While Cell Phones may not have been thought of by the companies developing them as "Star Trekish" I would venture to guess that many of those that designed Cell Phones were Star Trek fans, and may have even been influenced by the show.
No, I DON'T know that going into space will boost economy, not as much as drilling an oil well in the Gulf of Mexico anyway. Not immediately. However, suppose you found new minerals in an asteroid.... Or on our moon. If there's a will, there's a way.
However, you're right.... Government's do indeed get in the way. Currently MY Government is doing it's all to cut down on freedom. We've cops that will kill you for punishing your child (spank, slap, whatever). They'll beat you up for filming them. They produce something alright.... Fear and resentment. I think they want it this way. They also make you into a criminal when you fly.
I don't believe in anarchy, but I certainly don't believe government should be involved in a peoples private lives. But, they are and they're recording what I'm trying as soon as I post it, because that's what they do now. Or maybe all along, and just now we're learning that it's going on. Whatever the case, we as humans are going to get NO WHERE this way.
As I sit and read these, and other, posts I am thinking, and I think it's all well and good to look at things from loftier perspectives.... But the fact is down here in the quagmire of humanity.... We've still got the same crap over and over again, since the fall of the Romans. If we can't learn from, and escape the cycles of our past.... We've no hope for a real future. NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:14:00 -
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MutnantRebel wrote:I was actually meaning the reaching minds of Trek fans that went out and used those ideas and made a few of them happen. While Cell Phones may not have been thought of by the companies developing them as "Star Trekish" I would venture to guess that many of those that designed Cell Phones were Star Trek fans, and may have even been influenced by the show.
This is actually what happened. There are tons of articles written over the years.
MutnantRebel wrote:However, you're right.... Government's do indeed get in the way. Currently MY Government is doing it's all to cut down on freedom.
I don't believe in anarchy, but I certainly don't believe government should be involved in a peoples private lives.
At least for America, is it really the governments that are the problem......or is it the ones who have actually bought the government (Koch Brothers etc.) ????
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:40:00 -
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"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws" NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
Sibyyl
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Posted - 2014.03.09 21:27:00 -
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Aspalis wrote:Butthurt over the AMA he did on reddit where he pretty much ignored any hard (physicist) question? You've made me curious.. I have to go read it! Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |
Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.09 21:30:00 -
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Aspalis wrote:Kudos12345 wrote:Thing is we already have the tech right now to travel at 10-30% of the speed of light and send massive payloads into space and we have had the tech for the last fifty sixty years, the hint here is the downside involves a lot of atmospheric radiation :D
edit But in saying that again things like that can be reduced with further research and resource dedication in such areas. You are forgetting radiation from our own sun and inter-stellar sources (galaxies, nebulae, stars, supernovas, quasars and gamma-ray bursts).
Actually thats pretty standard knoweledge. |
Slymah
Reoples
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Posted - 2014.03.09 21:34:00 -
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GÇ£We must continue to go into space for humanity, we wonGÇÖt survive another 1,000 years without escaping our fragile planet.GÇ¥ Stephen Hawking |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.09 22:36:00 -
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Kudos12345 wrote:Thing is we already have the tech right now to travel at 10-30% of the speed of light and send massive payloads into space and we have had the tech for the last fifty sixty years, the hint here is the downside involves a lot of atmospheric radiation :D
edit But in saying that again things like that can be reduced with further research and resource dedication in such areas. The ORION project wasn't finished for more reasons than its inherent unsafety, and no we do not have that technology. The furthest we have gotten is speculating that it is possible. There are several paths toward building a spacecraft that can travel with 1G+ thrust and 100,000+ iSP and we know the fuel sources of some of them. We know they CAN work, but we're a long ways away from being able to build them.
I say we stop getting flustered that the rest of the solar system lacks life and start learning how to live in a barren environment. That's the direction our technology could be taking and making realistic short-term strides. We can already put people on the Moon and supply them from Earth. If we just put the resources in and finally make a Moon base, how long will it be before the people there have learned enough about their surroundings to speculate on how the base can be self-sustaining? I posit that it will take a month before they have prospected the area around them for natural resources, a year before they know how to build a drilling station for them. They may never be completely self-sustaining but I bet in 10-30 years they would be mining enough value to justify their costs without the scientific research, and what they do learn will go a long way toward making it viable to start bases on much richer worlds like Ganymede or many others. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Aspalis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.09 23:09:00 -
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Kudos12345 wrote:Aspalis wrote:Kudos12345 wrote:Thing is we already have the tech right now to travel at 10-30% of the speed of light and send massive payloads into space and we have had the tech for the last fifty sixty years, the hint here is the downside involves a lot of atmospheric radiation :D
edit But in saying that again things like that can be reduced with further research and resource dedication in such areas. You are forgetting radiation from our own sun and inter-stellar sources (galaxies, nebulae, stars, supernovas, quasars and gamma-ray bursts). Actually thats pretty standard knoweledge.
That is however not what you wrote in your post. |
Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.09 23:34:00 -
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Well I didn't write plenty of things it doesn't mean there are no other risks in space flight. |
Aspalis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.10 00:13:00 -
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Kudos12345 wrote:Well I didn't write plenty of things it doesn't mean there are no other risks in space flight.
Of course not, because there are plenty of risks involved. But I do think it was silly to leave out something that is common knowledge, especially amongst people interested in space. |
Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.03.10 00:15:00 -
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Aspalis wrote:Kudos12345 wrote:Well I didn't write plenty of things it doesn't mean there are no other risks in space flight. Of course not, because there are plenty of risks involved. But I do think it was silly to leave out something that is common knowledge, especially amongst people interested in space.
You nailed it there among people interested in space where such a thing would be common knowledge.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.10 00:25:00 -
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Aspalis wrote:Of course not, because there are plenty of risks involved. But I do think it was silly to leave out something that is common knowledge, especially amongst people interested in space. While we're at it, lets police everyone mentioning the term "space flight" and make sure they go into detail about the dynamics of stable rocket flight before they continue on their brief topic about how much funding needs to go into MARS colonization. They should also discuss the Oberth Effect, Hohmann transfer orbits, the pendulum rocket fallacy, and the effects of zero-G on bone mass over time. And lets not forget the difficulties and expenses of preserving food for a long time, not to mention the health effects from eating highly-preserved foods only for extended periods of time. Oh no, I mentioned the pendulum rocket fallacy without going into detail about where to put the center of mass, center of lift, and center of thrust, and I didn't even run over topics such as thrust to weight ratio, thrust to mass ratio, the difference between weight and mass and how it affects spaceflight in a variety of rocket designs, specific impulse, the effect of atmosphere on specific impulse given various engine designs, atmospheric scale height and air resistance...oh no, I mentioned specific impulse and didn't go into detail about exhaust velocity, the Oberth effect, aerospike engines, and beamed power! AAAAAAAAAUUUUGH!!!
edit: after writing this, I realized that as the Star Trek generation fades away it will likely be replaced by the Kerbal Space Program generation. Mark my words, it will happen. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
52181
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Posted - 2014.03.10 00:56:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Aspalis wrote:Of course not, because there are plenty of risks involved. But I do think it was silly to leave out something that is common knowledge, especially amongst people interested in space. While we're at it, lets police everyone mentioning the term "space flight" and make sure they go into detail about the dynamics of stable rocket flight before they continue on their brief topic about how much funding needs to go into MARS colonization. They should also discuss the Oberth Effect, Hohmann transfer orbits, the pendulum rocket fallacy, and the effects of zero-G on bone mass over time. And lets not forget the difficulties and expenses of preserving food for a long time, not to mention the health effects from eating highly-preserved foods only for extended periods of time. Oh no, I mentioned the pendulum rocket fallacy without going into detail about where to put the center of mass, center of lift, and center of thrust, and I didn't even run over topics such as thrust to weight ratio, thrust to mass ratio, the difference between weight and mass and how it affects spaceflight in a variety of rocket designs, specific impulse, the effect of atmosphere on specific impulse given various engine designs, atmospheric scale height and air resistance...oh no, I mentioned specific impulse and didn't go into detail about exhaust velocity, the Oberth effect, aerospike engines, and beamed power! AAAAAAAAAUUUUGH!!! edit: after writing this, I realized that as the Star Trek generation fades away it will likely be replaced by the Kerbal Space Program generation. Mark my words, it will happen.
Haha, its true. I was thinking Kerbal when I was reading this. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.10 02:57:00 -
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I think working on learning HOW to colonize other planets would be a great first step. We've already got a "Lottery" of sorts for a Mars move, as has been stated in the news and here https://www.mars-one.com/
Mining Asteroids here http://www.planetaryresources.com/
If we also set up on the moon with, say, 6 month rotations at first we'd learn A LOT about making a barren planet habitable. Not terra forming, but figuring out how to live on such a place. Maybe domes can make an artificial atmosphere eventually.
I just think our time would be better spent doing these things, rather than fighting each other. However, we're currently working on dragging the world back into the dark ages it seems.... NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8701
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Posted - 2014.03.10 02:58:00 -
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Yeah, who's fault is it that we can't have nice things? http://www.ecanadanow.com/science/2014/03/09/google-tech-is-too-much-for-progressive-san-francisco/
We're slowly developing much of the tech but none of the manners of Roddenberry's vision. Less Star Trek and more Blade Runner. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
238
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Posted - 2014.03.10 04:33:00 -
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Did not read all, but i'm a ST fan so might as well pipe in.
A few thigns you have to realize, humans tend to be more about me me me. You cna see it in the US and other countries all the time. People don;t care about thing sunless it effects them personally. Stuff like space travel, people think is a waste of time and money, thought alot of things we have and take for granted today, came because of the race to the moon.
The ST world can only come about if one of four things happens:
1) We have a huge war that whipes out most of the population, and most of the current countries. And out of this everyone says enough is enough and they unify.
2) Someone raises a big enough army and conquers the entire plant, and forces a planetary dictatorship. Which would lead to rebellions.
3) We get met by aliens and are forced to unite for the common good, or to kill them all.
4) We allow gov to evolve naturally, which started with the EU. Eventually we will all be one gov. But that will takes ages.
Of these, all are not very likely. What is likely, is eventually someone will find a 'warp' technology, you have tons of people inspired by ST and Star Wars, and there only goal in life is to make Warp Drive possible, if there is a way to do it, we will eventually crack it. Once this is cracked, each nation will prolly send out its own ships and try to colonize. Think of mars being controlled by all the nations in different factions. OFC with thing slike Mars One coming, its also possible mars will be controlled by a corporation.
One thing that might eventually make us closer to the ST world, id the 3d printer. This is a primitive form of replicator. If this becomes huge, and can make anything, then money will no longer exist, as it will not be needed if you can make anything. But.. the odds of that happening are not very big either.
Anyway i rambled. so yea. |
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