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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 24/04/2006 12:09:33 *Ok, First of all this is my analyse of hacprices and READ my post before you post mkay
When hacs first came out the active playerbase was about 50% smaller than these days, also not too many people maxed out there cruiser skill and such and pricing was (after the initial first month or 2) quite low.
But EvE is a real succes story and more people joined and got into the Sp-lvl required for hacs, so more bought em. This resulted in hac prices to rise.
This is how it should work, just like the ishkur going from 12 mil to 20 because it was a lot better, because of dronechanges. The more people like a ship the higher the price.
This proces continued and some hacs sell for more than tech 2 BC. This has everything to do with: 1. funfactor of hacs 2. less SP to fly hacs than BC 2
Only my issue is: now the good hac's went into the league of 150-200 mil i haven't moaned simply done what is the right thing: DONT buy them, if you dont want to or cant afford them. So i havent bought any hac.
Here is my major issue:
i get freacking scared when im flying a 200 mil ship that can be downed by 4 heavy nos and what happens when i get scared and cant fly the kick-your-nutz off way: i die (sort of weird mental thingie )basically losing less ships when you dont care about dying.
i have even though about fitting something on my ship that starts with a W and ends on arpcore stabiliser..
it all comes down to this:
--- Hac market and some other tech 2 items needs to be updated so the % of growth in EvE matches the new ammount of BPO in the hands of players. ---
this is a playerdriving market, but its flawed. if CCP decides to put 100 caprecharger 2 bpo on the market you can buy them for 5 mil, so please no "demand and production babble".
i havent flown a hac in the last 9 months and now IM SICK of waiting SICK of "market, demand arguments" and i want to fly a goddamn hac again for 90 mil with isnt cheap, its a loss of pure 100 mil including fitting. I dont want them for 20 mil they are elite and should be priced like it, but i see ****loads of AF in pvp and a very small percentage of hacs. actually im seeing more BC 2 than hacs...
they are to pricy and thats all because CCP doesnt update the ammount of bpo to the ammount of players since their introduction.
discuss
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:10:00 -
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Signed, sealed, triplicated, the only people that will come here and say 'hac prices are fine' are people in alliances that don't sell to market and thus suck, etc.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:12:00 -
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They are too pricy because there aren't enough blueprints. The easy way to cobmat this is to release T2 BPCs as mission rewards, instead of the dross that we get at the moment from missions. Also gives more people incentive to diversify and play 'other' sides of the game.
Personally, I still buy HACs at silly prices, because I love them. There will *never* be enough players refusing to buy HACs to drive the price down, as long as there's even a few people buying them at inflated prices, they'll sell at them, because people are greedy. If you can get more money for something, then why sell it for less?
The problem will *only* go away when CCP release more BPOs - or BPCs - hopefully with their new, improved, none lottery T2 BP system we keep hearing so little about.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:14:00 -
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signed aswell:
the amount of EACH AND EVERY t2 bpo should be tracked by the number of active >3month old players
not just HACS but ever t2 bpo should work that way
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest They are too pricy because there aren't enough blueprints. The easy way to cobmat this is to release T2 BPCs as mission rewards, instead of the dross that we get at the moment from missions. Also gives more people incentive to diversify and play 'other' sides of the game.
Personally, I still buy HACs at silly prices, because I love them. There will *never* be enough players refusing to buy HACs to drive the price down, as long as there's even a few people buying them at inflated prices, they'll sell at them, because people are greedy. If you can get more money for something, then why sell it for less?
The problem will *only* go away when CCP release more BPOs - or BPCs - hopefully with their new, improved, none lottery T2 BP system we keep hearing so little about.
then what happens to those 1000 dedicated reserch accounts
im not sure but ccp isnt gona want 15k per month disapesr from reserch agent accounts
not to mention the number of people it would **** off for training to use reserch agents ect
if bpc are released it should be via reserch agents not kill/courier agents!!!!
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Lexor SLice
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:16:00 -
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i dont have a problem with releasing more bpo's, however as usual, my answer is, deal. i was in an alliance with no usable hac bpo's for a very long time, and when i wanted a hac, i just saved. one other thing you have to realise is that more and more muppets who think just cause they've trained cruiser 5 they are ready to fly a hac are buying them, blame them for the rising prices as well. ____________________________________________
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Amerame
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:18:00 -
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Yep, you're right. If you had 1 bpo of an HAC in game, a ship would be worth 500M+, no doubt, offer & demand you know. The problem is that A LOT of t2 bpo are damn near worthless while a few are insaningly good, like cap rech t2, covert cloak, t2 cloak, HACs. Solution seed BPC "offers" from research agent, player can decline them. Everyone will take the cap rech t2 BPC and no one will take any reactive plating 2 BPC. It could be possible to fix the market by seeding a few t2 bpo of each, and to "adjut" to the offer and demand seed a number of BPC every day, proportionnal to the total number of skillpoints of all active characters, or something in this line.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
Originally by: Testy Mctest They are too pricy because there aren't enough blueprints. The easy way to cobmat this is to release T2 BPCs as mission rewards, instead of the dross that we get at the moment from missions. Also gives more people incentive to diversify and play 'other' sides of the game.
Personally, I still buy HACs at silly prices, because I love them. There will *never* be enough players refusing to buy HACs to drive the price down, as long as there's even a few people buying them at inflated prices, they'll sell at them, because people are greedy. If you can get more money for something, then why sell it for less?
The problem will *only* go away when CCP release more BPOs - or BPCs - hopefully with their new, improved, none lottery T2 BP system we keep hearing so little about.
then what happens to those 1000 dedicated reserch accounts
im not sure but ccp isnt gona want 15k per month disapesr from reserch agent accounts
not to mention the number of people it would **** off for training to use reserch agents ect
if bpc are released it should be via reserch agents not kill/courier agents!!!!
Dont get me wrong - I do agree with you.
Personally, I think the best way of distributing T2 blueprints would be to have research agents have you do something else other than sit and let research accrue, and then have a kind of 'shop' rather than get random offers, where you can spend your LP for T2 BPCs and BPOs - with BPOs being very hard to get, and BPCs being easier.
Whatever happens, it needs to be a system where you need to put effort in to get stuff out. People who want to research should get a system they can enjoy rather than one where they sit and wait. And they should be rewarded more than people who do nothing for research and simply train a couple of skills, then sit and hope (like now).
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:27:00 -
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so basically what you're saying is HACs cost to much?
no skills, just luck.
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:50:00 -
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Keep in mind also that HACs are not only used for PvP, but they are very good PvE ships too.
You can see that especially with the Cerberus, that was always a not so good PvP ship (it was made more recently with some boosts), but it was ALWAYS one of the most pricy HACs (beeing the only msl HAC didn't constribute to the price).
There was always a "flavor of the month" with HACs. For a time it was Deimos, Zealot, Ishtar and now Vagabond.
The T2 BC, even if they have more firepower than a HAC, they don't have the small sig rad of it and the fast mobility of one. The leadership skills don't help it too at their sales, seeing T2 BC beeing sold at a slight profit margin (prod cost is about 80m if I remember correctly).
Some changes to the type they are distributing the BPOs and how research is done is long awaited and I hope we will see the changes before the end of summer, or atleast the end of the year. _____________________________
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust so basically what you're saying is HACs cost to much?
i tried to write it with a bit more passion and arguments, basicaly what every "demand, supply" dude forgets, is that in order to have true demand and supply both factors can change. this is not the case in eve, only demand can change, unless some lonely jovian decides to add more bpo or that bpc idea which is infact a lot better _________________________________________________ no sig :( |
Toksin
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:57:00 -
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HACs are fine. --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views. |
madaluap
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Toksin HACs are fine.
great! why? _________________________________________________ no sig :( |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:59:00 -
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I'm one of those people that says the market works... but that doesn't change the fact that I want cheaper bloody HACs they're my specialization and a freaking pain to fly cause of replacement issues. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:23:00 -
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Limited supply + high demand = inflated prices.
Until people stop buying its going to stay this way, tbh i can afford them but more and more i find myself relcuctant to pay the price, that said t2 bpc offers might help but i think, depending on how many runs on the bpc, that if there are high run offers most people will sell them, and the bpo owners would probably buy them up to keep a grip on the market, or if the number of runs is too small the guy who gets it will probably build them himself and sell them, which wouldnt really affect the bpo owners income anyway which means nothing will really change that much.
In conclusion only the release of more bpo's might make a difference, but im not sure.
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Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:38:00 -
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Yeah more bpo's are needed badly. ------ Originally by: Gazon In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:48:00 -
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I wonder how many BPOs are in the hands of inactive players and alliances that dont sell to the public. Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
Lord Violent
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Posted - 2006.04.24 14:00:00 -
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Pretty sure it never said on the box "Train your skills to fly elite ships....and then dont buy them because the markets being price gouged"
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.04.24 14:20:00 -
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Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.04.24 14:45:00 -
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Fogy
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:12:00 -
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hmm.. didnt TomB say some where that there will be seeding off more BPO's in the close future? or have i misunderstood some thing or what ever? CBA to find the thread eighter.. lol
Cheers! Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:39:00 -
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oo a HAC whine thread... must be Monday.
I agree tho, would be nice to see them sold near insurance values. Think ccp are working on it.
sgb
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Karazaan on 24/04/2006 16:45:57 You are SO missing the point...
Go back 2 years ago.
Everyone was happy in a battleship, losing them right and left, no problem, they were costing nothing (insurance was even too good!).
When a fix was done to gameplay, let's saw tachyon are nerfed, dps were recalculated for each guns/launchers and the new winner of the dps was choosen as the uber king. Everyone had that weapon. So missiles were better? Everyone in Ravens, Tachyon were ultimate? Everyone in Apocs.
Simple fact is, everything is fixed now.
They are hard to build, long production chain, costy, limited supply. Oh yeah, wait until you see tech 3!!!
Insurance don't cover the value, so you incur real loss if you choose to take that risk.
Specialization fixed the jack-of-all-trade problem.
Is'nt it nice to not see all your enemy in HAC?
Now, if people you stop to lose the damned ships in combat, price would lower.
As the old saying go, Battleship level 1 is not the only skill you need to be good at piloting a battleship...
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:47:00 -
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I have no idea what the above post says.
sgb
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:48:00 -
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Boycott the builders and don't buy hacks
Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Epsilon 1 Boycott the builders and don't buy hacks
Dosent work.. you should know that by now
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: smallgreenblur I have no idea what the above post says.
sgb
Really?
It simply say, romanced a little, that the price is high so that not everyone is in the best HAC with the best setup fighting everyone else with the best HAC with the same setup.
BPO are limited, time of production is LONG and they die easy
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Karazaan
Originally by: smallgreenblur I have no idea what the above post says.
sgb
Really?
It simply say, romanced a little, that the price is high so that not everyone is in the best HAC with the best setup fighting everyone else with the best HAC with the same setup.
BPO are limited, time of production is LONG and they die easy
Are you desperate enough?
do you mean 'it's a good thing the prices are high otherwise everybody and his aunt would be flying them'? If so then fair point, there's enough stabbed vagabonds around as there is. One of them watched from 50ks as we fought his gangmates the other day. Loyalty ftw :)
sgb
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Epsilon 1 Boycott the builders and don't buy hacks
Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 24/04/2006 12:09:33
Only my issue is: now the good hac's went into the league of 150-200 mil i haven't moaned simply done what is the right thing: DONT buy them, if you dont want to or cant afford them. So i havent bought any hac.
Here is my major issue:
i get freacking scared when im flying a 200 mil ship that can be downed by 4 heavy nos and what happens when i get scared and cant fly the kick-your-nutz off way: i die (sort of weird mental thingie )basically losing less ships when you dont care about dying.
i havent flown a hac in the last 9 months and now IM SICK of waiting SICK of "market, demand arguments" and i want to fly a goddamn hac again for 90 mil with isnt cheap, its a loss of pure 100 mil including fitting. I dont want them for 20 mil they are elite and should be priced like it, but i see ****loads of AF in pvp and a very small percentage of hacs. actually im seeing more BC 2 than hacs...
It's NOT the builders fault, if i had a hac bpo i would try to sell them for 10 BIL each if such demand was there. This fix needs to come from ccp _________________________________________________ no sig :( |
Karazaan
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Karazaan on 24/04/2006 16:58:04
Originally by: smallgreenblur
do you mean 'it's a good thing the prices are high otherwise everybody and his aunt would be flying them'? If so then fair point, there's enough stabbed vagabonds around as there is. One of them watched from 50ks as we fought his gangmates the other day. Loyalty ftw :)
sgb
I'm meaning it's exactly the way the devs see it if you take into account the bpo availibility, insurance payback and the overall skills specialization.
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