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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:23:00 -
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I think there's a general misconception about DUST's micro-transaction model. EVE players, unfamiliar with micro-transactions for anything other than strictly vanity items, especially tend to confuse DUST as a pay to win game. This is simply not the case. Take this as an example.
Abrazzar wrote:Isn't DUST F2P P2W?
Some thoughts on this.
DUST is not pay to win. It's pay to access stuff earlier than you normally would be able to. An AUR Assault ck.0 has exactly the same stats as an ISK Assault ck.0. The only difference is that you can use the AUR version with Caldari Assault III instead of V for the ISK version. Actually, if you use an ISK Assault ck.0 it means you must be at Caldari Assault V and if I am using an AUR Assault ck.0 I could have Caldari Assault as low as III. In that case, while our suits are identical, you would have a better shield recharge rate and more effective shield extenders (currently as of 1.7) than I would due to your higher skill.
An EVE equivalent would be have an AUR Marauder with exactly the same stats as a regular Marauder, but with skill requirements being something like only needed Racial Battleship V and not needing to train the other skills to inject Marauder.
It would be terrible, and EVE players would hate it, and 'instant gratification' and other marketing buzzword bullshit. DUST players in general are too FPS-y to know what to think about the state of their pay to access stuff earlier than you normally would be able to game. They generally think it's pay to win, and get giant gamer boners when they kill someone in AUR gear. They don't seem to realize, as already mentioned, that an AUR target could generally be an easier target to kill than an ISK target. Maybe some dude just has a ton of cash and doesn't have the time to hit his skill cap every week to get the skills needed to use that ISK PRO gear.
For what it's worth, the only thing I spend AUR on in DUST (and likely ever will spend AUR on) are SP Boosters, which equates to a 15 USD / mo subscription. But I wait to by the AUR when there's a special promo or sale, I buy larger AUR packs so I get effectively more AUR / USD, and I buy the boosters themselves when they're on sale or special promo. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Crasniya
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Posted - 2014.03.10 14:14:00 -
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Few EVE players will understand what DUST is and isn't because they think they know everything, even though they've never tried it. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.11 00:01:00 -
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Give us a pc client and we'd love to join in the fun and find out for ourselves. I won't buy a ps3 just for dust, but I'd like to play it. However eve players do have pcs/macs and would be more than willing to install and play.
CCP have shot themselves in the foot with the ps3 only deployment. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.03.11 15:43:00 -
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A PC client would be shooting themselves in the foot. Get with the program. Also, get over it. |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:07:00 -
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Take the microtranactions out of the game then. If Dust isnt a drain of resources from eve then why microtrans the crap out of players hmmmm. CCP Please flush this turd it already stinks. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:53:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:A PC client would be shooting themselves in the foot. Get with the program. Also, get over it.
A PC client would expand the number of players greatly, I cant see how this can be considered to be CCP shooting themselves in the foot.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Thead Enco
Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:11:00 -
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coughs Titanfall is out
"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king."
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Marth Young
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.12 06:07:00 -
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Op couldn't be more right.
Also the idea about moving dust to pc has some major problems.
One it would move ccp away from their main goal which is getting involved with the console base market.
It would bring in more players, but hacking would become a major issue. Currently there is hasn't been an issue with people using forms of hacking since early chrom.
It would be cool to have it on pc but it will have more negative affects then positives since the game is sadly still in an early stage |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.03.12 14:44:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Take the microtranactions out of the game then. If Dust isnt a drain of resources from eve then why microtrans the crap out of players hmmmm. CCP Please flush this turd it already stinks.
Um... because Microtransactions is what's paying for DUST, not EVE.
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:A PC client would expand the number of players greatly, I cant see how this can be considered to be CCP shooting themselves in the foot.
Incorrect. |
Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:07:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Give us a pc client and we'd love to join in the fun and find out for ourselves. I won't buy a ps3 just for dust, but I'd like to play it. However eve players do have pcs/macs and would be more than willing to install and play.
CCP have shot themselves in the foot with the ps3 only deployment.
You will probably pay 200 bucks for Oculus Rift to play Valkyrie though, won't you?
Thead Enco wrote:coughs Titanfall is out
And gets boring after about 100 hours. Because then you've seen everything and accomplished everything. Also the short TTK is quite annoying to em. |
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:32:00 -
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Satoshi Kaname wrote:Thead Enco wrote:coughs Titanfall is out And gets boring after about 100 hours. Because then you've seen everything and accomplished everything. Also the short TTK is quite annoying to em.
And you can't do everything in DUST after a 100 or so hours? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Marth Young
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:26:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Satoshi Kaname wrote:Thead Enco wrote:coughs Titanfall is out And gets boring after about 100 hours. Because then you've seen everything and accomplished everything. Also the short TTK is quite annoying to em. And you can't do everything in DUST after a 100 or so hours?
During chromosone. It was estimated to take 7 years to earn everything, with out buying boosters. Now there is even more stuff. It would probably take 7 1/2 years to 8 now. Dust Bunny! I prefer the Term Meta-Gaming Bad ass with a slight hint of the person Samuel L. Jackson wanted to be.-á
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.13 12:16:00 -
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Marth Young wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:Satoshi Kaname wrote:Thead Enco wrote:coughs Titanfall is out And gets boring after about 100 hours. Because then you've seen everything and accomplished everything. Also the short TTK is quite annoying to em. And you can't do everything in DUST after a 100 or so hours? During chromosone. It was estimated to take 7 years to earn everything, with out buying boosters. Now there is even more stuff. It would probably take 7 1/2 years to 8 now.
Lets be honest. Shooting an assault rifle with proficiency skills is the same as shooting one without. I'm very close to ADV everything.
I've used every suit in the game so far, every weapon, shield tanked, armor tanked, use different combinations of utility mods, tried to ninja hack, played a support logi, tried a slayer logi, messed around with REs, driven murder taxis, Jihad Jeeps, scanner LAVs, driven glass cannon Sicas, blaster tanks, missiles tanks, tried learning to fly dropships. I've played solo, in squads, in q-syncs, in pubs, in FW, in PC. I've tried to get people banned from FW using CCP's **** coding for vehicle and RE ownership. I've queued in FW on the opposite side as a 'spy'. I've received hate mail. I experienced Chromosome's long TTK because of ****** hit detection and the current short TTK because of better hit detection but unchanged HP and damage values. I've played on every map with every mood setting and attacked and defended every objective.
I've done everything in DUST with less than 15m SP. Maxing your skills is not requisite to 'doing it all'.
If you get bored in Titanfall after 100 hours because you've seen everything and accomplished everything that's on you. DUST is the same repetitive game over and over. I play it because I see its potential, enjoy playing with and against other people. Yeah, I don't have all 5s. No new content will magically be available when I get all 5s in 7 to 8 years from now. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:07:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Satoshi Kaname wrote:Thead Enco wrote:coughs Titanfall is out And gets boring after about 100 hours. Because then you've seen everything and accomplished everything. Also the short TTK is quite annoying to em. And you can't do everything in DUST after a 100 or so hours?
Try maxing out your skills in 100 hours. In Titanfall you can unlock everything and reach the highest Gen in 100 hours. Also, contrary to Titanfall, Dust has a Metagame. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:02:00 -
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Satoshi Kaname wrote:Try maxing out your skills in 100 hours. In Titanfall you can unlock everything and reach the highest Gen in 100 hours. Also, contrary to Titanfall, Dust has a Metagame.
Like I said, and you apparently didn't read, maxing skills is not requisite for 'doing it all.'
Dust has a metagame? Keep telling yourself that. The only metagame it has is the same as all the other drama that takes place in a game like Planetside.
I like DUST a lot, but I don't confuse what it could be tomorrow with what it is today. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:54:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Satoshi Kaname wrote:Try maxing out your skills in 100 hours. In Titanfall you can unlock everything and reach the highest Gen in 100 hours. Also, contrary to Titanfall, Dust has a Metagame. Like I said, and you apparently didn't read, maxing skills is not requisite for 'doing it all.' Dust has a metagame? Keep telling yourself that. The only metagame it has is the same as all the other drama that takes place in a game like Planetside. I like DUST a lot, but I don't confuse what it could be tomorrow with what it is today.
Yes it is. Because not having something skilled can still be a good motivator to play.
Yes it does have a metagame. Stuff like the FEC for example will never happen in a game like Titanfall. And in Titanfall you also can't conquer districts for your side.
I like Titanfall. I'm currently playing it and I'm close to reaching level 50 for the first time. It's a nice game. But as soon as I hit Level 50 in Gen 10 I probably won't play it again. Because there wouldn't be anything to achieve anymore. I would have all unlocks. I will probably have completet most if not all challenges by then. And when I reach that state what is left? Senseless playing to see some nice explosions every now and then. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.15 14:57:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:RomeStar wrote:Take the microtranactions out of the game then. If Dust isnt a drain of resources from eve then why microtrans the crap out of players hmmmm. CCP Please flush this turd it already stinks. Um... because Microtransactions is what's paying for DUST, not EVE. Little Dragon Khamez wrote:A PC client would expand the number of players greatly, I cant see how this can be considered to be CCP shooting themselves in the foot. Incorrect.
You should at least make an effort to explain to me why I am wrong, at the moment it feels like I am talking to a child. Only children end an argument with the equivalent of 'just because'.
let me know if you are six years old or thereabouts and I will let you of the hook. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.15 14:59:00 -
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Satoshi Kaname wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Give us a pc client and we'd love to join in the fun and find out for ourselves. I won't buy a ps3 just for dust, but I'd like to play it. However eve players do have pcs/macs and would be more than willing to install and play.
CCP have shot themselves in the foot with the ps3 only deployment. You will probably pay 200 bucks for Oculus Rift to play Valkyrie though, won't you? Thead Enco wrote:coughs Titanfall is out And gets boring after about 100 hours. Because then you've seen everything and accomplished everything. Also the short TTK is quite annoying to em.
I like the idea of Valkyrie but would wait a long time before buying a rift as I am not convinced that they will be anything other than a short term fad. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.03.16 03:40:00 -
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I'll buy a Rift, but as with all CCP products, I already expect to be disappointed with Valkyrie. ;)
LDK, the PC playerbase is small (compared to PlayStation's), and where the game is right now, it's not particularly appealing, and PC gamers aren't going to put up with it. The best case scenario for a PC client, is they get a few EVE players who refused to buy a PS3 to play, and that isn't going to make them money, because EVE players are butthurt about microtransactions. The porting cost is not insignificant, and they're going to get a larger gain from pushing out to PS4. I see a PC version in the future, but not for a long time. |
Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
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Posted - 2014.03.16 16:56:00 -
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I got an email the other day promoting the "3 day Omega booster". For a mere 5000 AUR, you can double the bonus skillpoints from the community event to 2 million! That's pay to win enough for me to stay far, far away from that garbage. |
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Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:54:00 -
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Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:I got an email the other day promoting the "3 day Omega booster". For a mere 5000 AUR, you can double the bonus skillpoints from the community event to 2 million! That's pay to win enough for me to stay far, far away from that garbage.
If that's Pay2Win to you, you don't seem to understand how SKillpoints in Eve and Dust work. |
Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:30:00 -
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Satoshi Kaname wrote:Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:I got an email the other day promoting the "3 day Omega booster". For a mere 5000 AUR, you can double the bonus skillpoints from the community event to 2 million! That's pay to win enough for me to stay far, far away from that garbage. If that's Pay2Win to you, you don't seem to understand how SKillpoints in Eve and Dust work.
So when can I pay a PLEX for +1M skill points in EVE? Nobody would mind, right? |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:01:00 -
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Satoshi Kaname wrote:Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:I got an email the other day promoting the "3 day Omega booster". For a mere 5000 AUR, you can double the bonus skillpoints from the community event to 2 million! That's pay to win enough for me to stay far, far away from that garbage. If that's Pay2Win to you, you don't seem to understand how SKillpoints in Eve and Dust work.
We might disagree on a few points, but we definitely agree that Hehaw has an incorrect notion of what pay-to-win is.
This is why I made this thread, to dispel stuff like Hehaw's post. Apparently he didn't bother reading my OP, tho.
Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:So when can I pay a PLEX for +1M skill points in EVE? Nobody would mind, right? You can currently buy PLEX for real world money, sell it in game for ISK, and use that ISK to buy attribute implants, effectively increasing your SP gain per hour by paying real world money. Your post is ignorant. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
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Posted - 2014.03.16 23:34:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Satoshi Kaname wrote:Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:I got an email the other day promoting the "3 day Omega booster". For a mere 5000 AUR, you can double the bonus skillpoints from the community event to 2 million! That's pay to win enough for me to stay far, far away from that garbage. If that's Pay2Win to you, you don't seem to understand how SKillpoints in Eve and Dust work. We might disagree on a few points, but we definitely agree that Hehaw has an incorrect notion of what pay-to-win is. This is why I made this thread, to dispel stuff like Hehaw's post. Apparently he didn't bother reading my OP, tho. Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:So when can I pay a PLEX for +1M skill points in EVE? Nobody would mind, right? You can currently buy PLEX for real world money, sell it in game for ISK, and use that ISK to buy attribute implants, effectively increasing your SP gain per hour by paying real world money. Your post is ignorant.
Attribute implants are attainable ingame. Dust boosters are not.
EDIT: Not that it really matters, the game is terrible with or without P2W. |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:15:00 -
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Hehaw, that is sadly due to the lack of a player market. Once DUST has a player market, every AUR item, including boosters, will be tradeable with ISK. |
Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.17 11:28:00 -
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Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:Satoshi Kaname wrote:Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:I got an email the other day promoting the "3 day Omega booster". For a mere 5000 AUR, you can double the bonus skillpoints from the community event to 2 million! That's pay to win enough for me to stay far, far away from that garbage. If that's Pay2Win to you, you don't seem to understand how SKillpoints in Eve and Dust work. So when can I pay a PLEX for +1M skill points in EVE? Nobody would mind, right?
How does more SP make you win? After having reached a certain amount of SP all you can do with more SP is getting more variety. In Dust you reach that point after maybe 10 Million - 15 Million SP latest. On top of that it just saves some time. It doesn't give you an advantage against other players. But it gets harder to flame about a game you know nothing about if you have to seriously consider how to flame against it, doesn't it?
All your post was, was the typical "I have no idea about the game but this is one thing I will now pick out to say it's ****!"
Dust is far from perfect, but what you're saying is just ignorant. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.03.17 17:34:00 -
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Dust is by far NOT P2W. My Dust character has about 33 million SP and I get killed just as easily as a newbie out the academy.
All you need to do is set your expectations right with Dust. Dont expect to come out of academy and start blitzing with your guns.
The biggest fail I see is people dont fit their dropsuits right. Let's face and I am guilty of the same;- FPSers have the attention span of gnat. Understanding dropsuit fittings takes a bit of time and it has taken me 2 respecs to get mine right.
You need to be a part of an organized corp where you have people to guide you on what needs to be done. From then on it is thinking ahead.
With that said AUR is not P2W in Dust. All it does is give you access to higher tier weapons, mods and dropsuits faster. It does guarantee your survivability. For that you need to use your common sense.
Nuff said! |
Armaeus Hellbrecht
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2014.03.21 13:03:00 -
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Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:I got an email the other day promoting the "3 day Omega booster". For a mere 5000 AUR, you can double the bonus skillpoints from the community event to 2 million! That's pay to win enough for me to stay far, far away from that garbage.
Boosters are not pay to win .They are pay not to grind. Every player in the game has a weekly sp Cap of a 196k in sp which throughout the week they work it down until there done. Buying an active booster only decreases the amount of matches that that player has to play to accomplish that and both can do that. Free player and the booster player, AND actually if the free player ends up playing more matches he potentially will earn more money if hes smart about suit choice.
Its kinda sad that you all did not have access to the early closed beta debates on this f2p model.
Im sorry but I dont see where spending $2.50 to help support the development of this game is a problem.
20 USD/40 k AUR] [5k AUR for Active 3 day Booster] 40 k divided by 5 k equals 8 { 20 USD divided by 8 equals 2 dollars and 50 cents} hmm (scratches chin) what could I buy with $2.50 ? A couple of bean burritos from Taco bell lol
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.21 13:21:00 -
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Armaeus Hellbrecht wrote:Boosters are not pay to win .They are pay not to grind. Every player in the game has a weekly sp Cap of a 196k in sp which throughout the week they work it down until there done. Buying an active booster only decreases the amount of matches that that player has to play to accomplish that and both can do that. Free player and the booster player, AND actually if the free player ends up playing more matches he potentially will earn more money if hes smart about suit choice.
Its kinda sad that you all did not have access to the early closed beta debates on this f2p model.
Im sorry but I dont see where spending $2.50 to help support the development of this game is a problem.
20 USD/40 k AUR] [5k AUR for Active 3 day Booster] 40 k divided by 5 k equals 8 { 20 USD divided by 8 equals 2 dollars and 50 cents} hmm (scratches chin) what could I buy with $2.50 ? A couple of bean burritos from Taco bell lol
This isn't how boosters work. You're active weekly SP cap is 190,400. Using boosters will increase your SP gain by 50% (standard active booster) or 100% (Omega active booster.) If you earn 5,000 SP in a match, your weekly cap falls to 185,400. If you had a standard active booster, you would gain an additional 2,500 SP, for a total of 7,500 SP. If you had an Omega active booster, you would gain an additional 5,000 SP, for a total of 10,000 SP. Your weekly cap would remain 5,000 SP lower at 185,400.
The bonus SP you get from boosters DOES NOT come out of your weekly active cap. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Armaeus Hellbrecht
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2014.03.21 13:35:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Armaeus Hellbrecht wrote:Boosters are not pay to win .They are pay not to grind. Every player in the game has a weekly sp Cap of a 196k in sp which throughout the week they work it down until there done. Buying an active booster only decreases the amount of matches that that player has to play to accomplish that and both can do that. Free player and the booster player, AND actually if the free player ends up playing more matches he potentially will earn more money if hes smart about suit choice.
Its kinda sad that you all did not have access to the early closed beta debates on this f2p model.
Im sorry but I dont see where spending $2.50 to help support the development of this game is a problem.
20 USD/40 k AUR] [5k AUR for Active 3 day Booster] 40 k divided by 5 k equals 8 { 20 USD divided by 8 equals 2 dollars and 50 cents} hmm (scratches chin) what could I buy with $2.50 ? A couple of bean burritos from Taco bell lol
This isn't how boosters work. You're active weekly SP cap is 190,400. Using boosters will increase your SP gain by 50% (standard active booster) or 100% (Omega active booster.) If you earn 5,000 SP in a match, your weekly cap falls to 185,400. If you had a standard active booster, you would gain an additional 2,500 SP, for a total of 7,500 SP. If you had an Omega active booster, you would gain an additional 5,000 SP, for a total of 10,000 SP. Your weekly cap would remain 5,000 SP lower at 185,400. The bonus SP you get from boosters DOES NOT come out of your weekly active cap. oh right right. So howabout the part where that only cost $2.50 |
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