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Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 09:33:00 -
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Bronden Neopatus wrote:WiS? People still cares about WiS? Come on. Get a clue, WiS has been succesfully implemented by other companies, in other MMOs.
It should be clear that EVE is about spaceships only and CCP is not good at doing other stuff. DUST is a wreck and WoD is vaporware.
Meanwhile CCP is co-developing Valkyrie, another spaceships only game.
You can't get blood out of a stone.
So, just because I dont like feature X or Y in a game doesn't mean that everyone doesn't want it. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:07:00 -
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Sometimes I swear a lot of these eve players just want a PVP version of this .
I mean simple black and white lines is all you need right? People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Zuriaake Yn Gizarm
RSS Task Force
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:31:00 -
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hehe a pvp version of wis would go too far i think.. much to far.. but its an interesting thought lol
it might bee a high effort to finisch wis, just to have some people sitting in a bar nad do what they can also in a normal chat, but i could imagine some interesting features for that.
of course it would be nice if you could personally go to the repair hangars, market and cloning stations personally (wothout any of that originals removed). but wouldn-¦t it be awesome if you get podded you can see your new clone get born in the facility? :D At the end of time, a moment will come when just one man remains. Then the moment will pass. Man will be gone. There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust. |
Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:51:00 -
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Zuriaake Yn Gizarm wrote:hehe a pvp version of wis would go too far i think.. much to far.. but its an interesting thought lol
BARFIGHT!
One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:53:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Sometimes I swear a lot of these eve players just want a PVP version of this . I mean simple black and white lines is all you need right? Forget that, give them Excel PvP, cuz they don't need no immersion-type clutter. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Colonel Selene
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:00:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Zuriaake Yn Gizarm wrote:hehe a pvp version of wis would go too far i think.. much to far.. but its an interesting thought lol
BARFIGHT!
Grrr. LET ME AT EM. I will destroy them!
Grrr. |
Aspalis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:31:00 -
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Add killboards and I'd support space-barbie. |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.03.13 00:34:00 -
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Aspalis wrote:Add killboards and I'd support space-barbie.
I could care less about killboards but shooting people in the face with a handheld railgun would be nice. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Bronden Neopatus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:40:00 -
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Hey, I too would like that CCP knew how to do other stuff and not just spaceships. But the facts are:
*Incarna was a disaster *DUST is a failure *WoD is vaporware
Isn't that a pattern? What makes you think that it can change? It's not about what you wish, it's about what CCP could deliver. v-¦v |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:11:00 -
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Bronden Neopatus wrote:Hey, I too would like that CCP knew how to do other stuff and not just spaceships. But the facts are:
*Incarna was a disaster *DUST is a failure *WoD is vaporware
Isn't that a pattern? What makes you think that it can change? It's not about what you wish, it's about what CCP could deliver. v-¦v Call me lazy for not wanting to re-hash old discussions and arguments and instead just posting a link to somewhere it's all been said, argued and digested one hundred times over.
DUST and WoD aren't EVE. WiS is viable. WiS has a substantial crowd of players who're supportive of it. Incarna's problem was less about WiS and more about micro-transactions. WiS would make money, because it provides what many people want and will pay for. Thus in that context, like any other part of EVE that receives development, it is absolutely about "what we want". IMO it's coming too, just likely not for some years. GÖí -á-á Major (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä -áHerrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:50:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Zuriaake Yn Gizarm wrote:hehe a pvp version of wis would go too far i think.. much to far.. but its an interesting thought lol
BARFIGHT!
With some flavor |
Justin Cody
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2014.03.14 15:36:00 -
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WiS will come when and only when they have the ability to offer something involving meaningful and emergent gameplay. Dancing emotes are not emergent. Player Owned Establishments and Drug sales are a part of this (as is a further change to npc policing where it would be players scanning and flagging you for contraband cargo).
It will come when they have npc and even player owned casinos. They should honestly contract the somer blink/cogdev guys to handle this at least in terms of prototyping. But they could have a support contract too for and in-case of patch issues. I do look forward to WiS despite being a WH resident. Anything that adds immersion to the universe is good. The biggest challenge aside from the game play is optimizing the graphics so that hundreds of avatars can be in the same room without making your GPU smoke or without needing dual cards in SLI/Crossfire to run at 60 FPS. |
Zuriaake Yn Gizarm
RSS Task Force
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Posted - 2014.03.14 19:07:00 -
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well.. every word in the post above makes sense .
At the end of time, a moment will come when just one man remains. Then the moment will pass. Man will be gone. There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust. |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:46:00 -
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Justin Cody wrote:WiS will come when and only when they have the ability to offer something involving meaningful and emergent gameplay. Dancing emotes are not emergent. Player Owned Establishments and Drug sales are a part of this (as is a further change to npc policing where it would be players scanning and flagging you for contraband cargo).
It will come when they have npc and even player owned casinos. They should honestly contract the somer blink/cogdev guys to handle this at least in terms of prototyping. But they could have a support contract too for and in-case of patch issues. I do look forward to WiS despite being a WH resident. Anything that adds immersion to the universe is good. The biggest challenge aside from the game play is optimizing the graphics so that hundreds of avatars can be in the same room without making your GPU smoke or without needing dual cards in SLI/Crossfire to run at 60 FPS.
Sleeper sites could potentially have some of the best avatar content. Exploring some derelict sleeper sight to hack into their computer database to gather information with the possibility of hostile sleeper defence drones and other players to shoot.
Also for performance I'd imagine the graphics would have to turned down quite a bit. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Zuriaake Yn Gizarm
RSS Task Force
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:19:00 -
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thats a good thought, kate
because of the graphics; theyre very good at the moment i think, so if they turn them down a bit, they would be still good^^ At the end of time, a moment will come when just one man remains. Then the moment will pass. Man will be gone. There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust. |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.03.17 10:35:00 -
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Zuriaake Yn Gizarm wrote:thats a good thought, kate
because of the graphics; theyre very good at the moment i think, so if they turn them down a bit, they would be still good^^
One problem I see is eve/lore RP wise. If a capsuleer dies out of his/her capsule, thats it for them, they are done for. CCP would have to come up with some fluff to change that. Afterall game mechanics should probably come first when it comes to doing something like this. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Zuriaake Yn Gizarm
RSS Task Force
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:04:00 -
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probably, but scientist could surely find a way to mix the capsuletechnics with dustsoldiertechnics
like clonesupporting spacesuits for capsuleers or something.
..for example :D At the end of time, a moment will come when just one man remains. Then the moment will pass. Man will be gone. There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust. |
Kytayn
Kronos TEchnologies
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:26:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Zuriaake Yn Gizarm wrote:thats a good thought, kate
because of the graphics; theyre very good at the moment i think, so if they turn them down a bit, they would be still good^^ One problem I see is eve/lore RP wise. If a capsuleer dies out of his/her capsule, thats it for them, they are done for. CCP would have to come up with some fluff to change that. Afterall game mechanics should probably come first when it comes to doing something like this. Actually I couldn't find anything in the lore requiring true-death. It can occur if there are no other clones. The lore absolutely says any of your current memories are gone. But there isn't anything that says you couldn't be restored from a previous scan.
(I checked for the Pod & Planet story contest: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=294654&find=unread ) |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:33:00 -
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Kytayn wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Zuriaake Yn Gizarm wrote:thats a good thought, kate
because of the graphics; theyre very good at the moment i think, so if they turn them down a bit, they would be still good^^ One problem I see is eve/lore RP wise. If a capsuleer dies out of his/her capsule, thats it for them, they are done for. CCP would have to come up with some fluff to change that. Afterall game mechanics should probably come first when it comes to doing something like this. Actually I couldn't find anything in the lore requiring true-death. It can occur if there are no other clones. The lore absolutely says any of your current memories are gone. But there isn't anything that says you couldn't be restored from a previous scan. (I checked for the Pod & Planet story contest: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=294654&find=unread )
Yeah, I can't remember if i was the last fanfest or Eve Vegas but there was a CCPer talking about having players jumping around to different clones suited to whatever task they wanted to do. Like for instance you could swap out to a dust soldier type clone from a capsuleer one. It's probably just all marketing fluff but it seems like they could be thinking of the future possibilities of this kind of stuff.
I'm gonna be on the hunt for that video now. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:00:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Zuriaake Yn Gizarm wrote:thats a good thought, kate
because of the graphics; theyre very good at the moment i think, so if they turn them down a bit, they would be still good^^ One problem I see is eve/lore RP wise. If a capsuleer dies out of his/her capsule, thats it for them, they are done for. CCP would have to come up with some fluff to change that. Afterall game mechanics should probably come first when it comes to doing something like this. Soft-cloning.
Quite heavily used in the RP community for many years. Apparently it's supported in lore also, although don't ask me to quote sources as I have little interest in EVE lore (my RP has always been very general and loose) but it's what I've heard. It's a topic often argued about though, however people tend to agree that soft-cloning makes sense and many years of RP would go down the toilet without it. GÖí -á-á Major (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä -áHerrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Bronden Neopatus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:54:00 -
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I just read this blog by Jester:
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.es/2014/03/derecognized.html
Something worth 20 millon USD in development and expected revenue has been called a loss in CCP's 2013 financial statement. That is, CCP is going to call dead some of their development work and have taken a shot in the face over it before announcing it.
Who's gonna be the victim?
Will it be WoD? Will it be DUST?
Or... will it be WiS? |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.18 16:48:00 -
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Bronden Neopatus wrote:I just read this blog by Jester: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.es/2014/03/derecognized.htmlSomething worth 20 millon USD in development and expected revenue has been called a loss in CCP's 2013 financial statement. That is, CCP is going to call dead some of their development work and have taken a shot in the face over it before announcing it. Who's gonna be the victim? Will it be WoD? Will it be DUST? Or... will it be WiS? If you follow his links... it's DUST. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Zuriaake Yn Gizarm
RSS Task Force
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:05:00 -
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if dust is going down i doesnt really care, because dust has one big failure.. its not for pc
i would play dust nearly the whole day, but im not going to buy a ps just for one game.
so dust can going down in my opinion, but not wis... pls not wis xD At the end of time, a moment will come when just one man remains. Then the moment will pass. Man will be gone. There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust. |
Colonel Selene
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:30:00 -
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Zuriaake Yn Gizarm wrote:if dust is going down i doesnt really care, because dust has one big failure.. its not for pc
i would play dust nearly the whole day, but im not going to buy a ps just for one game.
so dust can going down in my opinion, but not wis... pls not wis xD
I never saw a game like DUST doing well on a console. It has way too many MMO elements for it to be popular on a console, especially with COD and its clones. Grrr.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.18 23:46:00 -
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Bronden Neopatus wrote:WiS? People still cares about WiS? Come on. Get a clue, WiS has been succesfully implemented by other companies, in other MMOs.
It should be clear that EVE is about spaceships only and CCP is not good at doing other stuff. DUST is a wreck and WoD is vaporware.
Meanwhile CCP is co-developing Valkyrie, another spaceships only game.
You can't get blood out of a stone.
If ccp didn't **** their cash away on crap projects we could all have the eve we want right now. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:30:00 -
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Zuriaake Yn Gizarm wrote:if dust is going down i doesnt really care, because dust has one big failure.. its not for pc
i would play dust nearly the whole day, but im not going to buy a ps just for one game.
so dust can going down in my opinion, but not wis... pls not wis xD
I said exactly the same thing on the dust section of these boards and got some nasty comments from a dust bunny telling me that a pc client wouldn't bring any more players to dust, and that a pc client would invite hacking, yet everybody else takes the same position as you that a pc client would have met all of ccps goals and fostered genuine interaction between the dust and eve player base.
I am baffled by ccps position on this as a lack of pc client is a case of ccp shooting themselves in the foot.
I hope that they don't drop the captains quarter as I really enjoy using it, despite the fact that it's limited in functionality. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:29:00 -
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My need for Gallente clothing continues to grow stronger.
Please look at my thread in my signature CCP. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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