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Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.11 19:59:00 -
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Hi, I am Jill Antaris. Some of you might know me from Incursions, since do them since like 3 years by now and I flown in a lot of different channels as Logi, DPS or did LC/FC. Since I got quite some questions about what I actually do and for what channel I fly since the last few weeks from other FCs or Channels, I think it is about time to clear things up.
Why?
Actually I am not really sure why I do it. I created the channel just for the Island Incs, so we didn't have to use local chat outside of fleets, but people did keep asking me to also offer fleets in empire space. Seeing a lot of people in shield fleets today, that flown armor once or a lot of the old people from the armor Incursion Community doing other stuff today because they wanted to change things and did give up because it just didn't happen has also a lot to do with it, but is not the only reason for it. I guess I did wait for something like this myself for a long time, till I realized that I am probably the person that has has to start it. As like with everything else in life, if you want to change something, you might start with yourself, so went from just being another DPS or Logi on grid back to organizing and running fleets as FC, gathering people around me and try to provide fleets.
So why not TDF or KOP?
Good question. I did FC for TDF last year, because of the lack of active FCs(did just that for a shield channel last week, I don't mind FCing and like the challenge FCing different stuff all the time) and because I had the feeling that there was something, like a more accessible fleet for newer people, simply missing at that point where every FC just wanted to do mwd fleets with Vindis, leaving a lot of people with laser or projectile hulls out. However I got my tags removed last year, for non FCing related reasons and I didn't put a x into TDF since that day(outside of 2 times where I did help out as logi a bit to keep the fleet running). I mostly did that because I still kind of sympathizing with Sorion(because he always tried to change peoples opinion about armor) and even did get banned from TDF for being in the KOP channel. So why not KOP? While I did fly nearly full time for high end armor fleets last year in IIC(except for 4 months where I did the new player pickup fleet in TDF) and KOP fleets are very good and something I would like to fly in, I am not a big fan of contesting TDF gangs, because in the end it only hurts the pilots I flown with and FCed myself in TDF. Also I don't think anything productive will come from that. Also I prefer to handle it more casual, try to include more newer players than other fleets, what I probably only can do the way I like it in my own fleet.
So what is OIC?
Currently it is just my own little project, consisting of a FC(me), a few people, a chat channel and a TS. The idea is not to grow big and run HQs or to show other channels how it should be done. I mostly aim just for providing a extra armor alternative for VGs(maybe assaults later on), trying to make it as accessible as possible for new players and shield pilots not only to get gangs running, but because I believe somebody should provide something like this for armor Incursions.
I also hope we can do the Island Incursions together in armor(what I did quite a lot for the last couple of weeks), or if TVP runs the Island we can just switch over to shield fittings, to be more flexible with the fleets. I do normally provide Logis, booster, and dps hulls on the Islands so my main resource that I need are just people coming out there to fly with me.
I am active during EU TZ and try to put up fleets when ever I find the time.
Fleet concept
I currently run static armor VG fleets, while I like artillery machs and blaster vindis, I do prefer Puls on the NMs and Paladins to stay more flexible with NCOs than other alpha themed fleets, but it is pretty similar to how shield channels or high end armor gangs run. For tanking we just use 2 low slot and 1 rig on most hulls(1 low with slaves), similar like shield fleets do it, what produces quite similar results for site times. While the fleet might look like a hand picked elite fleet(Palas, NMs, Vindis, Machs) it is mostly by the fact that most people I know fly fairly good ships and this are the ones that x up a lot for me. It is not ironic that I did put a exequror on grid yesterday, that got told from a TDF FC to come back when he got a Oneiros, because his current hull is not good enough for a TDF fleet. This was after looking like 3 minutes over the setup, getting a picture about SP and experience of the pilot on TS and refitting the hull for him. I also utilize Cruisers, HACs, BCs and modified cheap logi fittings for the Island Incs, so I am very confident that I know what works and what not(because I tested most things on grid over the years). If I can put you on grid, I will do exactly this and I don't mind the extra effort on my side to make this happen.
Accessibility
I never was into the armor vs shield debate. I did put shield pilots on grid in armor fleets and armor pilots on grid in shield fleets as FC(ofc after refitting the hulls). Both concepts are fairly comparable on high SP levels and produce similar good results. My hulls are in general fitted in a way that they can be switched from armor to shield in a few seconds, changing a rig and 2-3 modules. I also have nearly all the time a few spare hulls(Palas, NMs, Machs, Vindis, Logis) with me to provide shield players easy access to the fleet and I also got some spare rigs and mods so I can refit all the hulls with T1 anti EM rig and weapon rigs in the staging(plus I do provide the rig to switch it back to shields afterwards). So yes I do actually take a lot of shield pilots for my armor fleets to(the fleet included yesterday 4 shield players and 3 pilots that did her very first Inc in my fleet). |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2014.03.11 19:59:00 -
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Padegejas
Peace Empire for univers
22
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Posted - 2014.03.12 09:43:00 -
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This is really sad that some channels are banning pilots for the sole reason that they have been noticed chatting or "X-ing up" in another channel which is being considered "hostile" because channel council members had an issue or two in the past Being FC in one of the Incursion communities is almost guaranteed ban in certain other channels
But this is the reality - people like to make enemies for themselves and when there is not enough enemies for them, they make them out of the thin air
Anyway I honestly commend you for taking an initiative and trying to do the best you can to help new players. Best wishes for you and your channel from me personally and RAISA community. I'll try to get in touch with you in game and help you if you'll be flying in the same Incursion constellation as we do. |
Xeren Abraham
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.12 12:23:00 -
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I'm missing the part if new players/players with less ISK also have a chance to fly with your group or if you only run with advanced setups.
Edit: nvm, just found that part ;P |
Commander A9
The Scope Gallente Federation
578
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:02:00 -
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You have my support; as my support is offered across all rooms and commuties.
Because we all want the same damn thing-we just have different ways of doing it.
Good luck! I'm in channel now! Recommendations: -enable ships wobbling in hangar view (pre-Captains Quarters) -add more missions (NPC fleet vs. NPC fleets that actually shoot) -less focus on graphics, more on mechanics Tune in to NewEdenRadio.com for awesome music! |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
23
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:44:00 -
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I may just have to get some armor mods to fly with you sometime. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Iron Wraith
The Devils Own
0
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:19:00 -
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As you're geared up to helping players new to incursions, what sort of advice would you give for getting out to an island?
Seems to be quite the sticking point for any new pilots joining this week! |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:39:00 -
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First thx for all the support, also special thx at RAISA, letting us x up for her mom fleet on the Enka Island last week, even without shield tanked ships that would be useful on grid(I did do the hacks for the mom site, but most of my fleet just did get a frig and hit the gate when the mom was close to structure and I told them to come in). I will try to add more shield mods and rigs to my normal Island package to provide something useful for events like this in the future.
Iron Wraith wrote:As you're geared up to helping players new to incursions, what sort of advice would you give for getting out to an island?
Seems to be quite the sticking point for any new pilots joining this week!
I normally give the advice to use routes I check on the KBs for camps, where I keep a close eye on and that I used before you do, just to check how the locals look like currently(the quickest one the autopilot creates is more often than not the most dangerous and I often chose longer routes with far less traffic, doing 9 low sec jumps instead of 2 can be actually be a very sensible thing). I do advise to move in the off time zones of the locals and to use a cov ops or frig/shuttle on routes that are not camped by smart bomb BS. I do provide fully fitted logis and dps hulls I flown out there by hand and I also can move even BS for you, if they contract them to me a bit ahead of time(simply because I actually need a bit of time to check the gates and move the hull) and can't do this while I FC a fleet on the Island. For me flying out stuff is less of a issue, since I did life in low sec myself for quite some time and also handled pos networks in low sec and the logistic for my corp and alliance members, flying in fuel, pos reactions, hulls, ammo, mods and other stuff sometimes for like 4-5h per day.
So when you want to come out to a Island, where I do run a fleet, and you are unsure how to do it, you should ask in the channel or me directly via private convo how to do it, what ship to use, what route to take and what time zone would be the best. If you ask me before dt, I can get some eyes on gates where people might camp and scout you in, but during the time I run the fleet I normally can't do this, simply because I would have to stop the active fleet then, and might me forced to wait somewhere at a low sec gate on a camp to clear up, to find a opportunity to get you in unharmed.
Low sec as itself is fairly easy to pass, there are no bubbles and small ships are very hard to catch at gates without specialized setups(smartbomb BS, insta lock recon/Legion for example) or organized camps, since ships that can lock you up in time can't tank sentry agro for long enough to kill you(ofc there are exceptions, but you see on the KBs where people that can do something like this are active). If you want to move bigger stuff, you might want to use a scout and need some knowledge about what to do on a gate if another player attacks you(burn back to the gate, burn away while align or clear tackle and get out etc.).
While I did, back in the days, teach newer players in my corp and alliance how to actually life in low sec full time, I think that is just to much input for newer players that just want to come out to a Island for 1-2 days and life in Empire for most of her time. This is the reason why I advise to use a frig/cov ops ship to move yourself on a route with low traffic, ideally during a time where nobody is active in the area, while I handle the a bit more tricky stuff of moving equipment from A to B for you. |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2014.03.21 02:04:00 -
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1/1 vs ISN and 3/0 vs TDF(I never actively contest TDF, they tried it) gangs in contests today, I for myself are fairly happy with the fleet concept and the people from both shield and armor communities participating in my fleet as it is(with only 6-8 dps on the field). Especially playing against ISN high performance and contest focused gangs in the same system makes me kind of proud to provide the armor alternative that brings something competitive(more dps with much better application, but less alpha and sensor boosters) into play. |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:38:00 -
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Bump, since many people where asking me about fittings, skills and options to join with a T1 logistic cruiser, I did create a mailing list( the name is "OIC - T1LCP") about skills, fittings and general progression. I also adding both Augoror and Exequror fully fitted to the OIC ship stock, so the hulls can be provided in the focus. |
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Kristen Marik
The Free Worlds League
0
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:38:00 -
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Great relaxed group of people, making ISK while having a fun time on teamspeak. |
Vico Hur
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.04.14 06:58:00 -
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This looks very interesting. When i last played, Armour incursions just weren't a thing anymore, If you can give me an excuse to fly a Hyperion, count me in. |
Ana Solette
Chonti-Amentiu
0
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Posted - 2014.04.14 16:31:00 -
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I am new to incursions and started flying with this group last week. No drama and a great bunch of people to fly with. |
Alim Omaristos
Dont Pod Me Bro
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Posted - 2014.04.15 14:40:00 -
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I'll join your channel when I get home. Do you have any suggestions for a player new to incursions who's a bit broke. I can use T2 lasers but can't afford the nightmare. |
Eliana Eros
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
21812
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:46:00 -
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Alim Omaristos wrote:I'll join your channel when I get home. Do you have any suggestions for a player new to incursions who's a bit broke. I can use T2 lasers but can't afford the nightmare. For armor u can use napoc/apoc. In some cases FC will allow an abbadon. Those are the cheaper routes. Intrested in Null sec? Try, Priano. Ze Goggles |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:36:00 -
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Alim Omaristos wrote:I'll join your channel when I get home. Do you have any suggestions for a player new to incursions who's a bit broke. I can use T2 lasers but can't afford the nightmare.
A Abaddon or Apoc would be ok(I do lean a bit more towards the Abaddon, for the higher dps and tank and I have one fully fitted sitting in Amarr currently that I could move), with good drone skills the navy Geddon is a fairly well rounded goal ship to(I have one laying around in the Focus normally). NM and Paladin are also good options a bit later down the road.
So just come by, I figure something out. |
SmokinMoses
Certified Insecurities
1
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:27:00 -
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The most chill, relaxed and friendly incursion group I've ever met.
<3 Jill for putting up with us special snowflake Machariel pilots. |
Cross C Ragweed
Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance
13
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Posted - 2014.05.01 16:53:00 -
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Special thanks to Jill and Kristen, who spent the time to fit a domi (only BS I could fly) to my skill level and introduce me to the incursion world.
I had only been playing eve for about 5 months when an incursion hit a system I normally missioned in. Only having ever heard that incursions were very hard and the various communities mostly required shinny expensive ships/fits I had never considered or read up on them.
I asked in the system incursion channel what all the new system notifications meant to me as a local, when they took me under their wing and with much patience provided me a path to the isk and a fountian of knowledge needed to get into this area of eve's broad content.
The two best FC's I've flow with yet.
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Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2014.05.02 11:31:00 -
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Since yesterday we also have a official navy Raven armor setup for fleet use and did run close to 5 minute site with the hull on grid so I am very satisfied with the overall performance. Finally all races and weapon systems are covered in the OIC ship loan program for VG fleets.
I currently looking for more skilled armor missile pilots that can start with a phoon or raven and are willing to skill up into the Typhoon fleet issue, sentry drones and projectiles(at least T1) for VG use and playing a key role in a mwd armor Assault doctrine later down the road. |
Le'Mon Tichim
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:14:00 -
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Will for sure be looking you up this evening. Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/ |
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Talemecus Valta
Valta Industries
199
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Posted - 2014.05.07 08:24:00 -
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o7
I flew with these guys last night, and as it was my first time running Incursions, they were very helpful.
I was only with their fleet for about 2 hours but made a decent amount of ISK.
The FC (Jill) was friendly, helpful and most of all chilled, I've flown with other FC's in other types of fleets, but Jill has been the best so far.
It was late when I left the fleet and forgot to say thanks for Fleet, my bad.
Thanks for the help in getting a newbie Incursion runner, up and running.
I will most certainly join you guys again!
Fly safe,
T. Talemecus Valta, PVE Director, PVP Cannon Fodder, Freemasons Corporation |
Talemecus Valta
Quovis
201
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Posted - 2014.05.07 08:24:43 -
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o7
I flew with these guys last night, and as it was my first time running Incursions, they were very helpful.
I was only with their fleet for about 2 hours but made a decent amount of ISK.
The FC (Jill) was friendly, helpful and most of all chilled, I've flown with other FC's in other types of fleets, but Jill has been the best so far.
It was late when I left the fleet and forgot to say thanks for Fleet, my bad.
Thanks for the help in getting a newbie Incursion runner, up and running.
I will most certainly join you guys again!
Fly safe,
T.
Talemecus Valta,
PVP Cannon Fodder,
Valta Industries.
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Eliana Eros
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
22514
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:08:00 -
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Jill Antaris wrote:Since yesterday we also have a official navy Raven armor setup for fleet use and did run close to 5 minute site with the hull on grid so I am very satisfied with the overall performance. Finally all races and weapon systems are covered in the OIC ship loan program for VG fleets.
I currently looking for more skilled armor missile pilots that can start with a phoon or raven and are willing to skill up into the Typhoon fleet issue, sentry drones and projectiles(at least T1) for VG use and playing a key role in a mwd armor Assault doctrine later down the road. Ya...not gonna lie, i was laughing the entire time that was in fleet. But was really confused at how well it did. Intrested in Null sec? Try, Priano. Ze Goggles |
Eliana Eros
Neon Incorporated 404 Alliance Not Found
30610
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:08:10 -
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Jill Antaris wrote:Since yesterday we also have a official navy Raven armor setup for fleet use and did run close to 5 minute site with the hull on grid so I am very satisfied with the overall performance. Finally all races and weapon systems are covered in the OIC ship loan program for VG fleets.
I currently looking for more skilled armor missile pilots that can start with a phoon or raven and are willing to skill up into the Typhoon fleet issue, sentry drones and projectiles(at least T1) for VG use and playing a key role in a mwd armor Assault doctrine later down the road. Ya...not gonna lie, i was laughing the entire time that was in fleet. But was really confused at how well it did.
Intrested in Null sec? Try, Priano.
Ze Goggles
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Paul VonBel
VonBel
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:54:00 -
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Yes can vouch for this and give thanks. No other Incursion corp/channel wanted anything to do with me not having shield stuff or BS skills yet Jill took me in and forcefed me isk
Would recommend |
Paul VonBel
VonBel
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:54:15 -
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Yes can vouch for this and give thanks. No other Incursion corp/channel wanted anything to do with me not having shield stuff or BS skills yet Jill took me in and forcefed me isk
Would recommend
Are you a market trader? Do you want to chat with other traders? Then join my ingame chat channel: VonBel Trading
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
183
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:26:00 -
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I have been flying with Jill for a while now. Initially I only tried it due to never flying armor incursions before and never running anything apart from HQ's.
There is a great group of people in OIC, we have both experienced members and very new players both to incursions and the game in general. |
Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
210
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:26:57 -
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I have been flying with Jill for a while now. Initially I only tried it due to never flying armor incursions before and never running anything apart from HQ's.
There is a great group of people in OIC, we have both experienced members and very new players both to incursions and the game in general. |
Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
186
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Posted - 2014.05.28 17:55:00 -
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Greetings readers
I had hoped Jill would have posted about this already but i assume he has other things on his plate.
A few days ago [OIC] ran the first of I hope many troll fleets just for some fun, we fielded a fleet of drake hulls with 2 nighthawks, we blazed tracks in our MWD drake fleet and lit up sansha with barrage after barrage of heavy assault missiles, in some cases completely obscuring the sansha ship in a ball of glorious light. Im not sure the other fleets really knew what to make of this fleet but we didnt care, the point was to have fun.
To any pilots that we contested with this fleet thank you for being good sports about it, I hope you were laughing as much as we were.
Fly safe pod pilots. |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.06.07 10:00:00 -
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Hi.
As it is for now, if you fly armor Incursion within OIC you will probably get banned from TDF.
During the last 6 weeks I tried to resolve that by TS and mail with the TDF Council members. However during a course of the mails and the TS session there was a certain amount of disagreement.
I was offered to come back to TDF and bring everybody with me however I named a few points why I will not do something like this:
- It wouldn't solve the issue that you can fly shield Incursions in every Inc, while you could fly armor just in one. - I see issues in the overall TDF armor doctrine, since there seams no real direction, no real progress with the fittings and no overall con-sense where to go currently, what creates a lot of issues when you compare the performance to shield setups. - I can't really run the ship loan out system, fly a different doctrine than TDF and work with new players in TDF as I can in OIC, for the simple reason that I have more control here, can use more time for new player support and can pick up people outside of the TDF focus from the local incurision chat, what was and is a goal of the channel. - I did question the actions of some council members against other channels, pilots or FCs, I for my self will not stand for resolving conflicts with banning people instead of having a discussion with them first, think that the hostile behaviour of TDF towards other armor channels is very damaging to armor Incursions and TDF itself and I don't find it acceptable to threaten people with bans to convince them to stay on a very basic level, this should be not acceptable for any Incursion community or any MMO community. So my answer was that as long as this is a acceptable in TDF, I will not consider to participate again in the channel I flown nearly 3 years in as DPS, Logi, LC, FC.
While I asked for the opinion of the individual Council members about her general stance towards the decision, I didn't really get much response beyond the mails with Major and it kind of makes me sad that so many people seam to have no opinion about it on her own or don't take the time to address the points I did bring forward individual, providing me with her point of view on the matter. What I am also still waiting for is a general official statement with good reasoning for the decision provided, since I think it should be a community decision(what I did bring forward to TDF as community leader of OIC and it was open to discussion in the channel and I forward my mails to everybody that wanted to see them and wanted to give her feedback) and the information should be accessible to the members of both community.
One of the most reasonable things probably was that I would steal members form TDF. However this isn't really true since I only can think of a hand full of people that tried out OIC and the people that came over for flying here every day mostly did this to fly Incursions again with her friends, people that left TDF for good, disagreeing with some of the actions there or got banned there before OIC even existed(like myself). Most of the people that fly here every day now I picked up here and there in the local Incursion chat or form other channels I am in, because if one of the goals is to include new players and provide a lot of people the chance to try it out, you end up with a lot of people staying around for a bit and full fleets for the most part. I never advertised it as the better option or the future of armor based Incursions, it is what it is a fairly new player friendly channel and another option to fly armor outside of the TDF focus, for people that have issues with standings, can't move over to the TDF focus by the lack of time or just want to try out something different. Also I think on of the most interesting aspects of Incursion in the long run is flying with a lot of different people, meet a lot of people you never did meet other wise and see different things in different channels, what decision like this influence in a negative way.
All together the decision makes me sad, however it is not really in my hands. As I told the TDF council multiple times, there is no hate from my side towards TDF, I just don't agree to some decisions(like her actions against other channels like BGH or individual TDF members that left the channel after it) of the council and since there seams no way to resolve them by communication for now, I guess I have to life with that for the time being. However I hope that the decision might be questioned in TDF again at some point and that there will be a more basic discussion of what kind of actions are acceptable for TDF council members and what shouldn't, because I think some of here actions are highly questionable for the overall health of TDF and armor Incursions altogether. |
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