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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.05.05 00:46:00 -
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I think KAOS made it to the finals before using a faction BS last time.. I might just be remembering things wrong, but I think they didn't use a navy issue until the final match or maybe the semi-final...
My point is, your strategy is much more important than the size of your wallet. Sure implants and faction BS are an advantage, but neither will win the Tournament for you, and it's quite possible to win without them.
But apart from all that, what kind of sad alliance can't afford a faction BS for its team ?
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QwaarJet
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Posted - 2006.05.05 01:45:00 -
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Yes you can win without the,, but if your opponent has one, that's an immediate advantage, one which you have to overturn, just because you didn't spend a billion on a Faction BS. I think that's pretty lame. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.05.05 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: QwaarJet Yes you can win without the,, but if your opponent has one, that's an immediate advantage, one which you have to overturn, just because you didn't spend a billion on a Faction BS. I think that's pretty lame.
Sorry I thought this was the ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT not the Homeless Shelter Competietion, I imagine an ALLIANCE can afford to field a faction battleship or heavy assault cruisers and stuff. ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD |
QwaarJet
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Posted - 2006.05.05 06:04:00 -
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not all alliances can afford to buy faction battleships, and that shouldn't stop them from having a fighting chance. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.05.05 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: QwaarJet not all alliances can afford to buy faction battleships, and that shouldn't stop them from having a fighting chance.
This is the EVE Alliance Tournament, not the EVE Bum Fights Championships.
To get a navy faction battleship it takes 200k LP, and 500 mil ISK.
Other faction battleships usually cost 350mil to 750mil ISK off Escrow.
How can an alliance not manage that? What kind of alliance is seriously that poor? ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD |
Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:02:00 -
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More importantly, what alliance pays for 1b registration fees, and associated continued costs without having at least 500m to burn?
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maGz
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Posted - 2006.05.05 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla This tournament would be more fun if it was based upon skill and teamwork rather then isk.
An idea LeMonde - no faction stuff what so ever (ship, modules, ammo, implants) - only T1 and T2 ships and modules and T1 ammo. On top of that make everyone clonejump to the event area = no implants.
This would make it a real tournament.
Agreed on the implants. Faction-ships should be allowed, but not T2-implants purely on the fact that it would once again depend on who's got the largest wallet, not the best skill (and yes I know I'll get flamed, but seriously would that Eagle have won without the Crystal-implants the pilot had plugged in? ) ______________________
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.05.05 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 05/05/2006 21:03:33
Without crystal implants I doubt BoB would've used an eagle at all, but if they had used the same strategy and ships they wouldn't have made it to the finals, and the finals were a really really close match so no they wouldn't have won that match without them.
Anyways, already been talked over lots, implants are in for good :)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.05.06 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 06/05/2006 17:32:01
"not all alliances can afford to buy faction battleships, and that shouldn't stop them from having a fighting chance."
It doesn't, as last tournament has proven. There's been quite a few fights there where regular ships coupled with skills and brains of their pilots fought the faction gear on equal footing, and won.
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QwaarJet
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Posted - 2006.05.06 20:37:00 -
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True, but if both teams were of equal skill, one with a faction BS, and one without, it would be over. That's wht I don't agree with. It makes a hard job even harder. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.05.07 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 07/05/2006 01:13:07
"True, but if both teams were of equal skill, one with a faction BS, and one without, it would be over."
Indeed, but i doubt you can really find that many teams that can be safely said to "have equal skills" ... not when we talk of groups selected out of literally thousands of people. Plus, once you start going this route, where exactly do you draw the line? A faction ship can be bought for cost of 3-4 HACs for example, and it's quite positive the teams which choose to participate are bound to lose at least that many of such cruisers, through the elimination rounds. So, should the tech.2 ships also be prohibited, because some alliances can't be bothered to get together and raise a fund, to cover this sort of expenses to improve their own chances in the tornament? And shouldn't this be part of what alliance is about, the ability to organize teamwork so that together they can achieve more than a few people on their own?
That'd effectively be rewarding the lazy people, by lowering the bar to how high they feel like jumping... at the expense of those who would be willing to go the extra mile to gain more advantage. Why is it something to even consider, when it's not like a few people cannot raise few hundred million isk in a few days, and that's with quite casual playstyle to boot? It doesn't make the contest any more interesting :<
(especially when the constest is to be held nearly 2 months from now... it's not like there isn't ample time to get organized and geared up)
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STONYVISION1
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Posted - 2006.05.07 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: STONYVISION1 on 07/05/2006 01:46:30 Tribal Souls will be there no doubt, thoug i wish we could eliminate some of the faction ships & the implants but i will not argue the fact we will just have to adapt and make due
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:52:00 -
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Can Spectators fit ship scanners with passive targeters?
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:42:00 -
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I'll be away in July, but I'm sure the rest of BE will be there in some shape or form.
wtb: an alliance.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.05.07 14:58:00 -
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Why bother Shin Ra.. You know they stand no chance against me without you
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Franky B
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Posted - 2006.05.09 03:38:00 -
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you could always join the nfc...
/me giggles
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.05.10 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian Can Spectators fit ship scanners with passive targeters?
Yeah, but they have to be cloaked anyway, so no lock even with that passive targeter.
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Robet Katrix
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:14:00 -
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i would hope not as setup information would be worth far more than any spectator
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.05.12 10:01:00 -
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I hope the system and the rules aren't changed on the 2nd day of the tournament. I know one team that got eliminated because of 2nd day changes last time.
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Corey Grim
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Posted - 2006.05.13 08:55:00 -
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LeMonde could you plz clarify that implants are allowed and that rule is goin to stay. I mean theres lot of disagreement about allowing them But if you are going to keep them allowed and are not gonna change that rule give ppl a time to start saving ISK for implant set please.
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LeMonde
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Posted - 2006.05.14 05:09:00 -
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The implants are definitely going to be allowed, no rule changes regarding them will be made.
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Robet Katrix
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Posted - 2006.05.15 02:11:00 -
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perhaps a bigger ring would be a good option. as it stands 100km is VERY small. Should an inty or a destroyer leave their MWD on for even 1 cycles accidentally they could easilly find themselves out of the ring.
also, at such limited range you also eliminate the possibility for teams to try ranged setup.
AT LEAST 200km should be the basics. bigger even better. but 100km is just WAY to small. I cant see why it needs to be 100
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.05.15 02:28:00 -
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I like 100 km radius.
Makes for more interesting matches when people are pretty much restrained to staying within locking range of each other. Would be pretty annoying (and very boring) if people could just mwd out of targeting range and spam missiles... (Not to mention how it would unbalance things what with t2 ammo not being allowed)
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Shinoobie
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:07:00 -
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Am I the only one to realise the person with the best fitted CAPITAL ships will win this???
BoB may even have a Titan, accoring to the rules, that is allowed to enter.
Think about it.
Elite Scouting
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shinoobie Am I the only one to realise the person with the best fitted CAPITAL ships will win this???
BoB may even have a Titan, accoring to the rules, that is allowed to enter.
Think about it.
Quote: Each alliance will be allowed one frigate, on destroyer, one cruiser, one battlecruiser and one battleship.
I think you can have T1, T2 or faction of one of these shipclasses. So you need to have a frigate, a destroyer, a cruiser, a battlecruiser and a battleship, or their T2/faction variants.
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Shinoobie
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:43:00 -
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Ok in the time it took me to read the entire thread, this was added....
Quote: Each alliance will be allowed one frigate, on destroyer, one cruiser, one battlecruiser and one battleship.
Elite Scouting
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:28:00 -
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That was there the entire time FYI.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.05.17 04:19:00 -
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tbh I personally think that they should allow the use of any faction/officer mods as well as implants and ships etc. I Think these tournaments are fun when you have the rarest, best equipped ships in even going at each other. And if you lose you have to lose all that isk!!
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Soren
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Posted - 2006.05.17 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk That was there the entire time FYI.
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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:28:00 -
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BTW might it not be prudent to ban smartbombs to prevent "accidental" (and i use that lightly) poddings?
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