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deeks87 deacon
Industrial Guard Constabulary
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Posted - 2014.03.13 12:36:00 -
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When i joined eve i remember a plex was 500m isk at best, now to plex my accounts it's costing me almost 700m isk and going up. Is there a reason for this and is it some ploy by CCP to force us to use RL cash to line there greedy CCP pockets? Those who forget the past, are destined to revisit it! |
jenks jenki
Industrial Guard Constabulary
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Posted - 2014.03.13 12:43:00 -
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I know exactly what you mean, it does just seem to get more and more to keep my accounts going and the cost of ore is staying the same. I think it wont be long before it start forcing high sec players out of the game. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2089
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Posted - 2014.03.13 12:53:00 -
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jenks jenki wrote:I know exactly what you mean, it does just seem to get more and more to keep my accounts going and the cost of ore is staying the same. I think it wont be long before it start forcing high sec players out of the game.
Because nullsec life is SO much better in isk/hour rate ?
Using plex for your accounts is a choice and nothing more as you are free to pay for your account with rl cash instead of ingame isk.Offcourse if you think eve is too **** to spend rl cash on then i can understand why people complain.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Setsune Rin
Collapsed Out Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:10:00 -
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the entitlement on these people....it's like they don't understand how plex work
NEWFLASH:
PLEX are not created on some whim by ccp, nobody plays this game for free some other customer is paying your subscription if you're buying plex for isk.
they're just so tired of your **** that they're increasing the prices on you. |
Ambo
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:23:00 -
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Setsune Rin wrote:is it some ploy by CCP to force us to use RL cash to line there greedy CCP pockets?
Actually, CCP would probably rather everyone paid for their game time through plex.
If I sub for one month, it costs me -ú9.99. If some scrub buys a plex to sell to me and I use that to get 30 days of game time then said scrub has paid CCP -ú16.99 for the plex. So yeah, CCP couldn't care less about the ingame price of plex, other than the fact that a higher price probably means less people paying for game time through plex which as we've already determined above, leads to less money in CCP's pocket. i.e. if anything, CCP would want lower ISK per plex, not higher. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:40:00 -
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Yeah, we should create a committee of university professors, mothers, and community activists to decide the fair price for a plex. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
deeks87 deacon
Industrial Guard Constabulary
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:46:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Yeah, we should create a committee of university professors, mothers, and community activists to decide the fair price for a plex.
How about we just burn jita Those who forget the past, are destined to revisit it! |
Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:56:00 -
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PLEX will hit 800 by Christmas and 1B within two years. Buy now. Any colour you like. |
Abidal Trekt
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:58:00 -
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OP is right. We need some kind of... Five-Year plan. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:18:00 -
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If everyone were to use ingame means to fund their subscription, CCP would be bankrupt and we will be left with Star Citizen dingleberry poop.
As much as we love free stuff, there should be some boundary. CCP is already doing a great favor by letting the experienced to be able to fund the subscription via PLEX.
You are meant to enjoy EVE Online. If you have an increasingly hard time funding subscription via ingame PLEX, then I suggest that you pay with actual dollars to play this great game. |
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Baron Chauman
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:25:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:You are meant to enjoy EVE Online. If you have an increasingly hard time funding subscription via ingame PLEX, then I suggest that you pay with actual dollars to play this great game.
Or find another game to play for a few years until the next offer of a free month to return. An important reason some of us play eve is because we don't have to pay real money for it. |
350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:35:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:If everyone were to use ingame means to fund their subscription, CCP would be bankrupt and we will be left with Star Citizen dingleberry poop..
Your logic is right, but in-game PLEX are not infinite. They are only created when someone pays for one out of game with real world money. They don't just respawn every day after DT. So ingame there's a finite supply, thus normal market mechanics apply.
Therefore, all your seeing is supply and demand. As demand outpaces supply prices go up. In this case it could be due to the influx of new players and returning players (like myself) after BR-5, speculators trying to make long-term investments, or a combination of both.
When you see buy orders in Jita for 75 Plex at a time at decent prices you know it's more likely the speculators driving prices up rather than the PLEX sellers. New players and returning players trying to get isk will just unload at the buy price rather than list on the market to try to get an extra 20-30mil out of it. They don't generally have the patience to wait it out. They had to wait 3-5hrs for the PLEX to show up to begin with, they don't want to wait more to get their iskies.
So, everyone complaining on this forum about the cost of PLEX really should be looking at the members of this forum, and not complaining about CCP. |
enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:38:00 -
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I , for one, welcome those pricey plexes . The tears of the many, outweigh the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
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Baron Chauman
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:39:00 -
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350125GO wrote:So, everyone complaining on this forum about the cost of PLEX really should be looking at the members of this forum, and not complaining about CCP.
Yeah, lets go gank some of those 20-alt mackinaw gangs and hope they stop playing, that's one way to decrease demand. |
350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:49:00 -
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Baron Chauman wrote: Yeah, lets go gank some of those 20-alt mackinaw gangs and hope they stop playing, that's one way to decrease demand.
That is a viable profession for some. ;) |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:08:00 -
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350125GO wrote: So, everyone complaining on this forum about the cost of PLEX really should be looking at the members of this forum, and not complaining about CCP.
Good thing then that those complaining aren't regulars here obviously so they wouldn't know who to complain to even if they took your reasoning for truth .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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I LIKE IT
HIGH RISK INVESTMENT
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:18:00 -
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I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NEW PLEX HOARDING OVERLORDS |
Cashevening Moolah
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:21:00 -
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deeks87 deacon wrote:When i joined eve i remember a plex was 500m isk at best, now to plex my accounts it's costing me almost 700m isk and going up. Is there a reason for this and is it some ploy by CCP to force us to use RL cash to line there greedy CCP pockets?
PLEX were averaging around 450m ISK at 11/13. Where have you been?
It isn't about CCP being greedy. People made it clear that CCP's banned player account become liquidated. Instead of the seized accounts destroying economy, CCP did what it cans to protect it by releasing money back into the economy.
Annual cost of living increase in real life makes its impact on Eve Online's economy too! |
Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:42:00 -
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Quote:I don't know how PLEX works or supply and demand but the cost is up so I blame CCP for being greedy. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:06:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Quote:I don't know how PLEX works or supply and demand but the cost is up so I blame CCP for being greedy.
The usual "Occupy Wall Street" mentality. Blame corporations and large companies for all the worlds' problems. |
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Baron Chauman
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
12
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:14:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:The usual "Occupy Wall Street" mentality. Blame corporations and large companies for all the worlds' problems.
Yeah why blame the people who own the entire planet for how it's doing? You just have to become one of them, it's that simple. Just be less poor. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:29:00 -
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Baron Chauman wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:The usual "Occupy Wall Street" mentality. Blame corporations and large companies for all the worlds' problems. Yeah why blame the people who own the entire planet for how it's doing? You just have to become one of them, it's that simple. Just be less poor. The rich may "own the entire planet" but that doesn't give them super-human powers.
Owning something, be it a car, home, company or country doesn't mean you can fix its problems... or even understand them. |
Baron Chauman
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:39:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:The rich may "own the entire planet" but that doesn't give them super-human powers.
Owning something, be it a car, home, company or country doesn't mean you can fix its problems... or even understand them.
Nope, but it at least makes it easier to turn your assets into even more assets (even if that means your average guy can't afford his plex/house anymore). They seem to understand how to do that just fine. |
Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:28:00 -
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deeks87 deacon wrote:When i joined eve i remember a plex was 500m isk at best, now to plex my accounts it's costing me almost 700m isk and going up. Welcome to EVE! I hope you've had a pleasant couple of years so far. When I joined eve, I remember a "PLEX" (they were called 30day GTCs back then) was 180m ISK and rising.
deeks87 deacon wrote:Is there a reason for this Yes, there is a reason for this. It doesn't really have all that much to do with PLEX itself, but the fact that players are printing truckloads of ISK every day by running missions, killing NPCs, claiming insurance, and so on, and only burning a handful in the form of taxes, LP store, corporate fees, etc..
The same thing is happening to ores / minerals - thousands of players spend their entire playtime mining or looting missions (printing minerals), and almost never cause any explosions that make minerals disappear. For every unit of, say, tritanium a miner creates, the value of each individual piece of tritanium goes down by an immeasurable fraction. For every tritanium you destroy, the value of each tritanium goes up a little bit.
So as long more tritanium is created, and less tritanium is destroyed than is created, the value of individual tritanium pieces goes down.
The same applies to all items in the game, even PLEX. The difference is that PLEX doesn't grow on trees, per se. There are no "PLEX belts" you can mine for an infinitely respawning source of PLEX. So the number of PLEX in the game is not rising nearly as fast as the number of minerals or ISK.
Thus, if you want to exchange your ISK for PLEX, you'll want to do it now, while the ISK is still worth more than 4 milliseconds of gametime. Do YOU like to undock? |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:29:00 -
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350125GO wrote: Therefore, all your seeing is supply and demand.
Don't forget the supply and demand of money. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2014.03.14 15:28:00 -
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Baron Chauman wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:The usual "Occupy Wall Street" mentality. Blame corporations and large companies for all the worlds' problems. Yeah why blame the people who own the entire planet for how it's doing? You just have to become one of them, it's that simple. Just be less poor.
If they took the planet, it's because the others did not fight to avoid that.
Many were bought up, showing they are no better than those "owners". Many more were just spineless amoebas who let others play their cards. Big surprise, their cards lost. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5274
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Posted - 2014.03.14 15:43:00 -
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Julius Rigel wrote: The same applies to all items in the game, even PLEX. The difference is that PLEX doesn't grow on trees, per se. There are no "PLEX belts" you can mine for an infinitely respawning source of PLEX.
Whenever I want to mine in a PLEX belt, all I have to do is to open the markets window
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
150
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:10:00 -
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Few years at least imho. PLEX price grows but not that rapidly. If your ingame income doesnt grow faster than plex you probably suck in eve. |
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
576
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:27:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:If everyone were to use ingame means to fund their subscription, CCP would be bankrupt and we will be left with Star Citizen dingleberry poop.
As much as we love free stuff, there should be some boundary. CCP is already doing a great favor by letting the experienced to be able to fund the subscription via PLEX.
You are meant to enjoy EVE Online. If you have an increasingly hard time funding subscription via ingame PLEX, then I suggest that you pay with actual dollars to play this great game. I dont think you understand how plexes work... CCP isnt selling them to you, other players are. A player spends real money to buy plexes and then sells these plexes to you, CCP loses no money on this. All plexes do is change who pays the subscription fee for your account.
I miss paying 370 mill isk for 90 day GTC's :(
Coreli Corporation: Small gang PVP & Drug Production, Apply now! |
Billy Hix
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
119
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:41:00 -
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It will be interesting to see what happens over the next year or so.
If PLEX hit 1B or even 2 B then we should see a big drop in the number of people who can afford to pay their accounts using PLEX. However if people can sell their PLEX for 2B isk I imagine many more people paying real life money to be in game rich (assuming PLEX has increased more than general inflation)
The piece of the puzzle I am looking forward to playing out is mineral supply. We all know a huge % of the mineral supply comes from multiboxing miners paying for their 10+ accounts with PLEX. If they can't afford to pay with PLEX, will they move to paying for those accounts with real money? Or will we see a big drop in mineral supply as they let most of their accounts lapse. |
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