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Kontrapshun
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:06:00 -
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So I'm into space sims and would like this game style to grow, so I support the new Star Citizen startup with a monthly RL sub, yet I like many things about EVE as well, but it's a mixed bag whether to support it further with RL money.
When I see they have a sale on a subscription, it seems like a good deal, but since I already have boat loads of ISK to buy plex, I ask myself why buy a subscription, since the game is not really going anywhere for me due to entrenched play styles.
So the question is honest and rather than bagging on me to just play something else (I do play PVE in EVE - for a couple years), answer the question to see if this thread can go anywhere to help CCP grow this game!
I would buy a subscription rather than pay with ISK if they did any of the following.
1) They had a balanced PVP Arena to allow solo players to just log in and play other players in fair combat. Don't pull the current PVP open world (although it's a joke and a cheat code win system), just add an arena 1vs1 with no boosts, gangs, etc...
2) They updated the HighSec PVE content with interesting challenges/interactions on a regular basic rather than just make new ships. (Null and Low sec content means nothing to me due to the gang style PVP game play factors.
So what is your Button?
If you already pay RL money to subscribe, this post really isn't for you, since you're already a happy player.
For the good of the colony!!! |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1330
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:08:00 -
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already paying for sub with RL cash. Just because i'm lazy to grind ISK to buy PLEX The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Doireen Kaundur
187
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:10:00 -
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I hate free to play games because they are always wanting your cash. Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
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Batelle
HOMELE55
2230
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:10:00 -
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1) You can already do this if you want. It'll just take work.
2) I don't believe you. Adding more PVE content means you would just do more PVE and thus buy plex with isk. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Merida DunBrogh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:12:00 -
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There is no difference for CCP whether you buy plex or through subscription. You buy subscription = money for CCP You buy plex from market = other player bought plex from CCP = money for CCP
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Jack Morrison
Sinister Spinster Advent of Fate
132
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:25:00 -
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I am sorry, i stopped reading each word as you posted you are supporting star citizen with a monthly sub. So instead of a discussion, any chance i could get you interested into sending me some cash each month too ? I promise i will be very creative with my promises. We can negotiate a fair price too. |
Jynxx Dragon
Lets Be Bad Guys
7
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:25:00 -
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You do realize those PLEX you buy for ISK come from people who already pay real life cash for the game. they do not appear out of thin air. |
Obunagawe
329
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:26:00 -
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Nothing. Ever. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19962
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:29:00 -
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Kontrapshun wrote:So the question is honest and rather than bagging on me to just play something else (I do play PVE in EVE - for a couple years), answer the question to see if this thread can go anywhere to help CCP grow this game! The more people use subs rather than PLEX, the less money CCP makesGǪ so shouldn't you be asking how to make more people use PLEX?
Personally, I try to give CCP as little money as possible by using a long-term subscription. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
258
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:31:00 -
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Hahahahah, he thinks buying PLEX takes money away from CCP! I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
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Kontrapshun
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:33:00 -
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Batelle wrote:1) You can already do this if you want. It'll just take work.
2) I don't believe you. Adding more PVE content means you would just do more PVE and thus buy plex with isk.
Fair questions
1) Although I know it's an MMO, it's not worth finding a fair fight when I only have an hour to play a game.
2) Well, the point would be that PLEX would no longer be an option to subscribe and I would have to pay RL money to subscribe. Just to note, I've given CCP hundreds of RL dollars over the two years I've played (about $500 I think on various accounts), so it's more of do I continue at this point...
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Kontrapshun
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:35:00 -
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Merida DunBrogh wrote:There is no difference for CCP whether you buy plex or through subscription. You buy subscription = money for CCP You buy plex from market = other player bought plex from CCP = money for CCP
I think everyone who has been playing a while knows that someone buys the PLEX that you use to get free game time.
That wasn't the question though.
CCP can still keep their pay to win model of PLEX, but just not for subscriptions.... I think that would help you understand what I am talking about. |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
15
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:38:00 -
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Not sure you understand. PLEX is bought by real money, money that goes to CCP, when you pay for PLEX via in game isk CCP has already gotten their money.
Also, EvE is one of the very few games I'd spend RL cash on at this point. (I PLEX but not because I'm unhappy, but because I can)
EDIT: Please explain how PLEX is pay to win. |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
292
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Personally, I try to give CCP as little money as possible by using a long-term subscription. Amazon PLEX sales! :D
To answer your question, I pay by PLEX. Although ultimately someone bought that PLEX from CCP so they are getting their money. Be it a player through the account management page, or Amazon, SomerBlink, ... they all at some point purchased PLEX from CCP. In fact, CCP doesn't even care what happens to the PLEX (in a financial way) anymore because they already got paid. :P |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
719
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:41:00 -
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If CCP had a few solid expansions in a row I would consider paying with real money.
Wormhole expansion was amazing, Incursion expansion was amazing and major ship rebalance expansion was a great expansion.
Its like they get going on the right track then see the influx of players and money and think 'Oh man profits look great lets do some stupid sh!t'. Not today spaghetti. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3681
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:42:00 -
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I make more ISK / hr in real life. Why grind to play when I can just pay the annual subscription and make better use of my time!
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
292
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:43:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: I make more ISK / hr in real life. Why grind to play when I can just pay the annual subscription and make better use of my time!
Passive income. I'm earing isk / hr while earning $ / hr. :P |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19963
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:44:00 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:Tippia wrote:Personally, I try to give CCP as little money as possible by using a long-term subscription. Amazon PLEX sales! :D That just means Amazon gets less moneyGǪ which I suppose is a win in and of itself. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kontrapshun
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:48:00 -
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Leoric Firesword wrote:Not sure you understand. PLEX is bought by real money, money that goes to CCP, when you pay for PLEX via in game isk CCP has already gotten their money.
Also, EvE is one of the very few games I'd spend RL cash on at this point. (I PLEX but not because I'm unhappy, but because I can)
EDIT: Please explain how PLEX is pay to win.
Common on Guys, EVERYONE knows that PLEX is bought....so you can just stop saying it really!
It's just not bought by me anymore. I would like to support CCP, but I'm riding out my past RL transactions (RL Sub purchases) with ISK PLEX buys now because I don't feel the game is going anywhere with new content for me to continue contributing personally. Doesn't mean some other joker isn't willing to pony up his CASH to buy PLEX to get that cool ship that he didn't earn in game to try his luck at the joke of PVP gang warfare system that exists....
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2664
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:49:00 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote: I make more ISK / hr in real life. Why grind to play when I can just pay the annual subscription and make better use of my time!
Passive income. I'm earing isk / hr while earning $ / hr. :P if three plex is fifty bucks from amazon
and a tech moon used to give eight million isk an hour
and a plex sells for seven hundred million isk
a tech moon made twenty cents an hour? |
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RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
384
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:52:00 -
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Jynxx Dragon wrote:You do realize those PLEX you buy for ISK come from people who already pay real life cash for the game. they do not appear out of thin air.
So where does CCP get them from? Is it thin air or pixels?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19965
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:53:00 -
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Kontrapshun wrote:I would like to support CCP, but I'm riding out my past RL transactions (RL Sub purchases) with ISK PLEX buys now because I don't feel the game is going anywhere with new content for me to continue contributing personally. GǪand yet, by going the PLEX route, you're probably contributing more now than you did before. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1132
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:54:00 -
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Kontrapshun wrote:They had a balanced PVP Arena ..... the HighSec PVE ....interesting challenges/interactions ..... For the good of the colony!!! You really don't get eve, do you? |
Kontrapshun
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:00:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kontrapshun wrote:They had a balanced PVP Arena ..... the HighSec PVE ....interesting challenges/interactions ..... For the good of the colony!!! You really don't get eve, do you?
I get it, at least the EVE forums.
No change is good change...... yeah I get it.
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
292
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:02:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:if three plex is fifty bucks from amazon and a tech moon used to give eight million isk an hour and a plex sells for seven hundred million isk a tech moon made twenty cents an hour? It's more than enough to buy a PLEX at the end of the month without having to do anything. :P
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
591
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:07:00 -
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I already pay my subs with cash.
Let me put it this way: assuming you are of age to work at a job, would you earn your monthly cost to play eve faster by working a RL job, or grinding for isk?
640M isk isn't a small amount. Its not a lot either. But can you make that much in an hour or two? Or can you make enough RL cash to buy a PLEX in that same period of time?
Now decide which is a better use of your time. Free Ripley Weaver! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3068
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:09:00 -
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You are aware that paying with ISK means CCP gets more money, not less, since CCP get more money out of a PLEX than they get out of someone subscribing for a month, right? A month of game time is anywhere between $11 and $15. A PLEX is between $16 and $18, and that's during the current sale. By paying with ISK instead of $ because you're not happy with the game, you're actually sending CCP increased income, enforcing what they are currently doing with the game.
Back on topic, though. So, you're asking "what should CCP do to make less money?"
Kontrapshun wrote: I would buy a subscription rather than pay with ISK if they did any of the following. 1) They had a balanced PVP Arena to allow solo players to just log in and play other players in fair combat. Don't pull the current PVP open world (although it's a joke and a cheat code win system), just add an arena 1vs1 with no boosts, gangs, etc...
That would be a great thing to do to make less money, as they'd lose both my multiple subscriptions and the income from PLEX I buy. If I wanted an arena PVP game there are much better (and cheaper) ones on the market. I suggest you look into them. Guild Wars 2 in particular fulfills both your points, and has no "joke and cheat code win system" PVP. Rifterlings - newbie-friendly swashbuckling corp ("weflyrifters" in-game channel). Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
WASPY69
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:16:00 -
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Kontrapshun wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Kontrapshun wrote:They had a balanced PVP Arena ..... the HighSec PVE ....interesting challenges/interactions ..... For the good of the colony!!! You really don't get eve, do you? I get it, at least the EVE forums. No change is good change...... yeah I get it. The day EVE becomes a predictable dumbed down theme park is the day EVE truly dies. PVP in EVE is about the thrill of the hunt, not knowing if your prey has Loki boosts or 500 Falcon alts cloaked around him. It's about catching that carebear with his pants down all defenseless and them squeezing him out of his every hard earned isk. As for PVE in EVE. It's simply a means to an end. nothing else. If you want lore, do the epic arcs. If you want excitement, go into a wormhole or find a 10/10 DED as you're hitting Dscan every 5 sends, knowing you might travel home with a billion in loot or lose your faction fitted T3. Risk vs Reward...
EVE is a sandbox, where YOU create YOUR OWN content. If you need to be spoonfed to have a good time then perhaps EVE isn't the game for you. |
Sibyyl
187
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:31:00 -
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First world problems! Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3069
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Posted - 2014.03.13 20:01:00 -
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For those who missed it before OP blanked his post, he was asking "what would convince you to pay for gametime with cash rather than ISK", unaware that would lower CCP's income, and giving an uninformed argument and proposing un-Eve-y changes. Nothing to see here, move along. Rifterlings - newbie-friendly swashbuckling corp ("weflyrifters" in-game channel). Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
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