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YangTze Quan
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2014.03.13 21:55:00 -
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"Materials for War Preparations" is the new "GroundHog Day", a Bill Murray movie, portraying the life of someone stuck in a mysterious time loop where he cant move to the next day. ( or in this case, frozen in place between two agents)
Sure, everyone who runs missions for standings has been plagued by the Materials for War Preparations. Missioners that I have spoken to agree and I've seen similar forum threads in the past. Why does "Materials" become your next storyline so often when it's supposed to be a "random" assignment system?
When I first started playing, I got it all the time, probably 50-75% of the time - of course, since it offers so little standings gain (1.0224% for Level 4, for example), that means you have to run A LOT more missions, which involves A LOT more time in the game. Typically known as a "TIME SOAK". Standard fare for a game that charges per month.
In fact, why is this Storyline mission given to Combat missioners at all? You either have to MINE the ore for the agent or go buy the ore and TRANSPORT it to the agent. That sounds like it should be a Storyline offered to a person running MINING missions or Distribution agents to me.
COSMOS: Ok, "Materials" was driving me nuts before, but when I started COSMOS and you needed continually elevating standings to get to the next required Agent - I started getting "Materials" over 75% of the time. As all seasoned Eve players understand, once your standings gets high, the Storyline rewards have less impact on your overall total. This is the strategy for many of CCP's other calculations. Therefore, when you are getting the Storyline "Materials" nearly every time for a Level 4 value of 1.0224% the value impact on your overall standings is virtually nil. Meaning that you'll need to run HUNDREDS of missions more than if the Storyline offered was a proper value - I'll guess perhaps 4, or 5%.
I've put in multiple support tickets and was constantly told that "Nothing is broken" "Materials, is offered randomly".
Randomly? I am currently at 17 CONSECUTIVE ISSUES OF "MATERIALS FOR WAR PREPARATIONS". CCP continues to state: "Nothing is wrong, Nothing is broken, It's offered completely at random" That's 15 Level 4 Combat missions for each and every "Materials" Storyline. At this rate, it will be nearly impossible to reach the next Agent, who requires 9.9 NATURAL STANDINGS, NO SKILL MODIFICATIONS ALLOWED. (remember their rule of diminishing returns).
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * IF YOU ARE A MISSIONER IN EVE ONLINE AND HAVE SEEN THIS ISSUE, YOU BETTER SPEAK UP HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THEY TOLD ME TO TAKE THE COMPLAINT. IF WE DONT GET IT FIXED NOW, THEN YOU TOO, WILL BE RUNNING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF UNNECESSARY MISSIONS TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL. * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
I dont want to complain and not be able to offer some solutions, So, I propose that CCP immediately adopt any one of the following fixes.
1. Stop giving "Materials for War Preparations" Storylines to Combat missioners. IT"S NOT A COMBAT MISSION. 2. Elevate the standings gain to something near a normal mission for Combat missioners. 3. MAKE IT ACTUALLY RANDOM - 17 TIMES IN A ROW IS NOT RANDOM. 4. Completely remove it from Level 4 Storyline offerings, The implant and the cash reward value is non-existent and the standings faction gain amount is virtually negligible.
*By the way, "Elevating a problem to Level 2" was completely useless - forget that feature completely. |
Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:01:00 -
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i found it pretty fun because it was a diferent thing to do to take a brake and stretch. u need to lighten up |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:01:00 -
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All the missions repeat, mate. EVE has the worst PVE system I've ever seen. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:07:00 -
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YangTze Quan wrote:3. MAKE IT ACTUALLY RANDOM - 17 TIMES IN A ROW IS NOT RANDOM. Yes it is.
masternerdguy wrote:All the missions repeat, mate. EVE has the worst PVE system I've ever seen. It's not a particularly important part of the game, so that's hardly a surprise. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
YangTze Quan
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:10:00 -
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Hey, I'm used to their time soaks, I did not complain about that.
We're talking about NEVER being able to complete your Eve Online COSMOS or Faction Gain required goals.
It's a broken mechanic that needs to be fixed. |
YangTze Quan
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:15:00 -
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It's important to people whose chosen profession in Eve is missioning / PVE.
If missioning / PVE isnt your primary enjoyment in Eve Online, then you shouldnt have read or posted here. |
Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:16:00 -
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oh geez stop the super alarm yelling and stuff, its been like this forever and some of us who spend real efort got past it..... do u not like efort to give meaning to ur earning? |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
861
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:32:00 -
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YangTze Quan wrote:1. Stop giving "Materials for War Preparations" Storylines to Combat missioners. IT"S NOT A COMBAT MISSION. 2. Elevate the standings gain to something near a normal mission for Combat missioners. 3. MAKE IT ACTUALLY RANDOM - 17 TIMES IN A ROW IS NOT RANDOM. 4. Completely remove it from Level 4 Storyline offerings, The implant and the cash reward value is non-existent and the standings faction gain amount is virtually negligible. Please don't do any of the above. The implant is amazing value for the 1 minute it takes to buy the materials someone is already selling in that station and turn them over, and the the low standings gain means I can accept it every time without worrying about screwing up my other faction standings.
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YangTze Quan
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:54:00 -
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17 Times in a row people - Is that random to you ?
Completing COSMOS is my goal, I dont need isk, I dont need a break, I dont need implants, I need Faction Standing to make the next agent.
The way it's going now, that will be a near impossibility.
The game mechanic is that the storylines are randomly assigned, getting it every single time means it's broken. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:24:00 -
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YangTze Quan wrote:17 Times in a row people - Is that random to you ? Random is random
Storyline agents still seem to belong to certain divisions, so if you want to avoid a distribution storyline agent, then don't do mission #16 near one. |
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
861
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:35:00 -
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YangTze Quan wrote:17 Times in a row people - Is that random to you ? The moment they restrict how many times in a row you can get it, it ceases to be random.
Tau Cabalander wrote:Storyline agents still seem to belong to certain divisions, so if you want to avoid a distribution storyline agent, then don't do mission #16 near one. Or when it does give you one you don't want, just leave it in your journal so next time #16 comes around a different agent will be forced to contact you. |
YangTze Quan
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:37:00 -
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Quote:Storyline agents still seem to belong to certain divisions, so if you want to avoid a distribution storyline agent, then don't do mission #16 near one.
That IS moving all around, different storyline agents, different regions and different corps. But thank you for trying to be helpful.
(I even tried a set of distribution missions and a set of mining missions, just to see if there was some sort of reverse logic thing going on, but it ended the same as the others)
Before I started COSMOS, I had run certainly more than a thousand missions and got "Materials" too often to be considered random, but I was working for ISK and Modules, so I didnt mind too much, but now that I must make "standings requirements" it's been coming up every time. Even before the 17 times in a row, I still was getting it most of the time. Maybe it's a Caldari issue, but I have tried different regions with no effect.
More annoying than any of that, is the complete lack of interest in what should at least be looked into. |
YangTze Quan
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:42:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:YangTze Quan wrote:17 Times in a row people - Is that random to you ? The moment they restrict how many times in a row you can get it, it ceases to be random. Tau Cabalander wrote:Storyline agents still seem to belong to certain divisions, so if you want to avoid a distribution storyline agent, then don't do mission #16 near one. Or when it does give you one you don't want, just leave it in your journal so next time #16 comes around a different agent will be forced to contact you.
Someone did suggest leaving the last one open, but then you have to waste every other set of 15 missions, at least as I see it.
It's a good thought though, thanks.
I dunno, I've been at this for about 5 years, might be time to move on. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:50:00 -
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YangTze Quan wrote:17 Times in a row people - Is that random to you ? Yes. The fact that it happened 17 times in a row is good evidence to support the hypothesis that it is random.
For comparison, consider this sequence of random numbers: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Daedalus Hades
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:29:00 -
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I understand the frustration you feel.I gave up doing missions hopping for a decent storyline.And right now I am just going to get all my faction standing from epic arcs.I think in 45 years i will get to 10 faction standing with Caldari.its kind of sad |
YangTze Quan
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote: For comparison, consider this sequence of random numbers: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0.
A useless and uninformed comparison. How about you getting a 10 sided dice and roll those numbers consecutively, in order and then return to this thread and offer some actual help.
I'm reaching out to other missioners who are having the same problem. Helpful ideas and comments from others are welcome.
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YangTze Quan
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:03:00 -
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Daedalus Hades wrote:I understand the frustration you feel.I gave up doing missions hopping for a decent storyline.And right now I am just going to get all my faction standing from epic arcs.I think in 45 years i will get to 10 faction standing with Caldari.its kind of sad
Epic Arcs eh? That's not a bad idea - I havent tried any of those yet. ( I dont like to switch goals, but Im totally stuck )
I've been stuck at 9.7 Caldari for the past 250+ missions because of "Materials".
That's a good tip, If you ever need help around The Citadel, pm me. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:15:00 -
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Off the top of my head, the storyline missions offered at level 4 are:
- A special delivery (Distribution, 40k m3)
- Evolution (Security)
- Materials for War Preparation (Distribution/Trade)
- Record Cleaning (Security)
- Shipyard Theft (Security)
- Transaction Data Delivery (Distribution, 1m3)
Note that your local storyline agent probably only offers a subset of these, or has a weighting on which one they're going to offer.
CCP have mentioned some time back that they were working on providing more storyline missions, so that they could then only offer specific types of storyline missions from storyline agents in particular divisions. Thus your "Distribution" storyline agent would not offer security storyline missions.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:19:00 -
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If I worked for CCP, and I knew that giving you nothing but "materials for war preparation" would set you off like this..... imagine what I would do.....
Yep.
CCP troll, best troll. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2014.03.14 04:50:00 -
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Noted that myself a couple of years ago, made a thread about it, posted in other threads about it, CCP refuse to make an effort to fix the problem. Got fed up, never reached the 9.9.
Btw, by looking at your Faction standing's and clicking it for info, you can see all your standing gains from Storylines, and the name of the Storyline which provided the increase (Mat for War) - Everything is logged, it is quite evident that there is a bug.
Good luck with the game devs over this, you'll need it.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:12:00 -
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Also try finishing SoE arc in a fleet with an alt. Then delete alt, make new alt, redo SoE arc. it might be just as fast as actually churning through lvl 4's. Though less lucrative. Since you get the large faction jump at the end even if just in fleet with the actual character. |
Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:25:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Also try finishing SoE arc in a fleet with an alt. Then delete alt, make new alt, redo SoE arc. it might be just as fast as actually churning through lvl 4's. Though less lucrative. Since you get the large faction jump at the end even if just in fleet with the actual character. Do NOT shoot/destroy the Nidhoggur in the last Arc's mission - It may seem funny and a challenge (it doesn't drop much btw) but you will get a Standing hit on your Minmatar standings.
I KNOW. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:36:00 -
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Wait, you mean there's other kinds of Storyline missions? Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:40:00 -
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I think the op has a good point, it's just as important to fix missions as it is to fix sov or pos's, maybe more so as more people actually use the missioning system than actually use sov or pos code.
I think we should petition ccp to switch priorities away from the needs of null bears to real players that engage with all aspects of eve online including missioning. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:15:00 -
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Random is CCP's saying you will get it at 75% probability. _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:19:00 -
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YangTze Quan wrote:A useless and uninformed comparison. No, it's a reminder that you can't dismiss something as GÇ£not randomGÇ¥ just because you can pick out a patter from an insignificantly small sample.
Getting a mission 17 times in a row, especially from such a small pool as storyline missions, is not indicative of any kind of issue ro that anything is out of order. It just demonstrates the random nature of randomness. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:30:00 -
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YangTze Quan wrote:Post about an enraging mission
OMG 17 consecutive times. I feel so bad for you. I got it 3 times in a row and I was throwing a fit. haha man I'm so sorry! There's definitely an issue. It might be a "random" chance, but it definitely seems to have a higher percentage of being given over the other options.
I feel that the chance a standing increasing mission becomes offered should correlate directly to the amount of standing increase it offers in comparison to the other missions from the storyline pool. That way we'll get what we want more often. |
Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:YangTze Quan wrote:A useless and uninformed comparison. No, it's a reminder that you can't dismiss something as GÇ£not randomGÇ¥ just because you can pick out a patter from an insignificantly small sample. Getting a mission 17 times in a row, especially from such a small pool as storyline missions, is not indicative of any kind of issue ro that anything is out of order. It just demonstrates the random nature of randomness. You are right. Improbable, but possible.
However the OP is also right. Despite never having myself such a bad steak of the Mat for War storyline, my own Journal confirm I have well over half of my Storylines consisting of that particular mission. And yes, I did change Constellation and even Regions to switch to different Storyline Agents when reaching the 16 mission trigger to try and make change the pattern. It did not.
Also, CCP DID add new Storylines a few years ago, and I remember being eager to see new mission material and dilute the Mat for War... It didn't happen, still continued to have over 50% of that mission, only every other Storylines got diluted as each of them popped less frequently. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
594
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:28:00 -
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Storyline agents have a specific mission type that is separate from the agents with whom you normally run your missions.
For example, there is exactly 1 storyline agent in Aokinen (I'm assuming that is where you're missioning) constellation in Black Rise. He lives in the CN station in Samanuni. He is distribution and almost always gives that same damn mission. He actually wanted me to haul a ****-tonne of ore or mins from losec. More than a badger mk II could haul in one go.
Yeah, no. Declined.
On the RNG thing, if there are only a few options from which to choose, the odds of getting a sequential series of the same result grow much higher. Admittedly, 17 of the same mission in a row is incredibly unlikely. Even with only 2 choices, that would be 2^17, or 1:131072, or .0007662939453125% chance.
Is it random? Technically, yes. Is it statistically likely? Hell no. But tbh 1:131072 is a lot better odds than winning a lottery.
Free Ripley Weaver! |
YangTze Quan
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2014.03.14 20:54:00 -
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Now we are having some great comments, analysis and discussion of Storylines, true random rolls, missions and Eve Online, in general.
Thanks EVERYONE, there were some good ideas there and also enough support to "maybe" start a snowball rolling. Maybe, that snowball might result in a set of completely new Storylines and Missions.
Are there more players that simply gave up trying to get that 9.9 Faction because they weren't moving anywhere due to the "Materials" problem ? |
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