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Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
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Posted - 2014.03.19 01:43:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Alyth Nerun wrote:I stopped reading right there, what good is a post based on such a wrong assumption. Of course we are the good guys because we follow the CODE which is based on pure rational arguments and the moral high ground per se. You seem confused about what constitutes a good guy. Extortion typically isn't on that list. Especially when faced with wiping out an ethically neutral activity. Since we run* highsec the permit fee is more like a tax and has nothing to do with extortion. In that light it should also be clear why stealing ore without a permit isn't "ethically neutral" but a serious crime.
* if you have trouble to see how it is actually possible to run highsec I recommend the recent blog post series on the topic and of course the CODE which holds all the answers http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3188
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Posted - 2014.03.19 01:45:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, from what I can tell then, my answers are: "Grr, roleplaying" and "miners can't keep the game in the game". Sure, if you're going to blanket label every miner in game, but I really doubt all the players who mine would bother to seek you out for insult. I don't blanket label every miner in the game. Just the ones whom I bump 30km away and they just sit there for half an hour until they tab back into the game. Those ones aren't "players who mine", because the word "player" implies that they are playing the game. So yeah, those ones get a label. It's called "bot-aspirant". So does a pure manufacturer not play the game?
Certainly. Especially because they aren't undocked in open space pretending that they are actually playing. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.19 01:52:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:So does a pure manufacturer not play the game? Certainly. Especially because they aren't undocked in open space pretending that they are actually playing. Wait, so let me get this strait. Being undocked and active (which is debatable because one can be looking at the client while not issuing inputs) is the defining point for playing, but removing undocking removes the obligation to be active? Seems like "bot aspirant" is just a meaningless justification here, and not an RP one. If you want to RP someone who likes ganking barges, fine. If you don't want to RP but still like ganking barges, fine. But denigrating players for some BS reasons? Kinda justifies the flak you get as you are perpetuating the mud slinging.
Alyth Nerun wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Alyth Nerun wrote:I stopped reading right there, what good is a post based on such a wrong assumption. Of course we are the good guys because we follow the CODE which is based on pure rational arguments and the moral high ground per se. You seem confused about what constitutes a good guy. Extortion typically isn't on that list. Especially when faced with wiping out an ethically neutral activity. Since we run* highsec the permit fee is more like a tax and has nothing to do with extortion. In that light it should also be clear why stealing ore without a permit isn't "ethically neutral" but a serious crime. * if you have trouble to see how it is actually possible to run highsec I recommend the recent blog post series on the topic and of course the CODE which holds all the answers http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html Ore has no ownership while not mined, and once mined it belongs to the miner. You have no ownership, and thus nothing to tax and as such no moral high ground to justify your actions. And since the game does at least place a moral value, by way of consequence, on ganking, that would make you in the wrong. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
678
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:01:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:So does a pure manufacturer not play the game? Can you name one?
There may be many players who have manufacturing alts, but I don't know of any where manufacturing is how they would describe themselves. It's just one activity to support the activities of their main character or other activities.
There may very well be someone who has a character that manufactures as their only activity in the game as a player. I would think that is very much the exception rather than the rule. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:07:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:So does a pure manufacturer not play the game? Can you name one? There may be many players who have manufacturing alts, but I don't know of any where manufacturing is how they would describe themselves. It's just one activity to support the activities of their main character or other activities. Same can be said of mining, and for stretches of time, when I don't feel like investing much time in game I am one myself. But the fact remains that every complaint lodged at miners can be lodged at manufacturers and researchers save the fact that they are often docked or even offline. This makes them no better than the so called "bot aspirants," their activity supports periods of inattentiveness which can be spent with a focus outside of the client. If the miner takes that risk and gets caught it's fair game being undocked, but for incurring that risk they suffer greater scorn. That doesn't make sense to me. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
678
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:09:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Ore has no ownership while not mined, and once mined it belongs to the miner. It's not ore they claim ownership of is it?
It's space. The tax/admin fee/shakedown payment is to cover your use of the space, not for taking ownership of minerals in that space. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:13:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Ore has no ownership while not mined, and once mined it belongs to the miner. It's not ore they claim ownership of is it? It's space. The tax/admin fee/shakedown payment is to cover your use of the space, not for taking ownership of minerals in that space. They have no real claim to the space itself either. Anyone can come and do what they do for any reason, they have no exclusive right to it. They did rather smartly skirt that fact by considering all actors with similar methods to be allies in the fight, but it doesn't change the fact that the fight can't be made exclusively theirs whether they want it or not. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
678
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:19:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Same can be said of mining, and for stretches of time, when I don't feel like investing much time in game I am one myself. But the fact remains that every complaint lodged at miners can be lodged at manufacturers and researchers save the fact that they are often docked or even offline. This makes them no better than the so called "bot aspirants," their activity supports periods of inattentiveness which can be spent with a focus outside of the client. If the miner takes that risk and gets caught it's fair game being undocked, but for incurring that risk they suffer greater scorn. That doesn't make sense to me.
So no to the question, but in relation to mining, there is a very easy argument to show that there are miners who AFK while undocked in space. Same for haulers and pilots just autopiloting through highsec where they wouldn't think to do the same in lowsec or most areas of nullsec.
There is also evidence of scripts being used to control mining characters with very little player involvement.
The second of those, the true bots, don't belong in the game at all and CCP hunts them out wherever they can; but the first group that AFK don't offer much to the game either while AFK.
The larger part of the NO activities whether you like them or not try to create content out of those players.
While there are other miners caught up in that also, the activities of the few affect the reputation of all. If you are interested in being able to mine in peace in highsec, you should embrace what the NO is trying to achieve. Get past the roleplay and look at the underlying aims and goals.
If they actually ever achieve an AFK free highsec (almost impossible) and removal of all bots from highsec, they'll look for some other reason to gank, but at the moment their motivation is supported by genuine reasons for a large number of them. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3188
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:26:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:So does a pure manufacturer not play the game? Certainly. Especially because they aren't undocked in open space pretending that they are actually playing. Wait, so let me get this strait. Being undocked and active (which is debatable because one can be looking at the client while not issuing inputs) is the defining point for playing, but removing undocking removes the obligation to be active? Seems like "bot aspirant" is just a meaningless justification here, and not an RP one. If you want to RP someone who likes ganking barges, fine. If you don't want to RP but still like ganking barges, fine. But denigrating players for some BS reasons? Kinda justifies the flak you get as you are perpetuating the mud slinging.
No, I highly doubt it justifies them making real life threats and saying they hope I get cancer, and so forth.
And yes, it works exactly like that. A manufacturer is rarely logged in, but while he is he is actively engaged in playing the game. A miner likely is not, while being undocked in open space. The crime is far greater.
I'm not denigrating players, btw. Because they're not actually playing. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
678
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:27:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:They have no real claim to the space itself either. So, ignore them. I'm sure they won't mind. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
76
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:29:00 -
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Alyth Nerun wrote:Arancar Australis wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Mining permits are bullshit, don't buy them. anyone trying to convince you to do so is only trying to get you to give them isk for free. We are the good guys. We are here to help. www.minerbumping.com There are no good guys or bad guys in the equation I stopped reading right there, what good is a post based on such a wrong assumption. Of course we are the good guys because we follow the CODE which is based on pure rational arguments and the moral high ground per se.
I was wondering how long it would take to get my first troll for my piece.
Thank you!!
Cheers,
AA |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:36:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: So no to the question, but in relation to mining, there is a very easy argument to show that there are miners who AFK while undocked in space. Same for haulers and pilots just autopiloting through highsec where they wouldn't think to do the same in lowsec or most areas of nullsec.
There is also evidence of scripts being used to control mining characters with very little player involvement.
The second of those, the true bots, don't belong in the game at all and CCP hunts them out wherever they can; but the first group that AFK don't offer much to the game either while AFK.
The larger part of the NO activities whether you like them or not try to create content out of those players.
While there are other miners caught up in that also, the activities of the few affect the reputation of all. If you are interested in being able to mine in peace in highsec, you should embrace what the NO is trying to achieve. Get past the roleplay and look at the underlying aims and goals.
If they actually ever achieve an AFK free highsec (almost impossible) and removal of all bots from the game, they'll look for some other reason to gank, but at the moment their motivation is supported by genuine reasons for a large number of them.
As stated, I have no issue with the RP motivations of the NO, or the activities they engage in. I am, however, under no obligation to embrace their goals. Actually, by creating demand for materials in the form of lost ships while directly interfering with supply, they are working actively against those in game who depend upon roughly static PvE income that has large portions don't fluctuate with the market.
The only people who draw benefit are the people with an irrational hatred of others not looking at the client at all times, and even then only by way of self satisfaction. If you have a genuine reason why the game as a whole should condemn AFK play, please feel free to present it, but frothing at the mouth because someone is watching TV while their miners cycle or while slowboating a freighter doesn't cut it. |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
76
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:38:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Arancar Australis wrote:Don't hide behind some higher calling or some misguided notion that an AFK player harms the game (as an AFK player has no effect on your game play). Be honest and upfront and change the manifesto to " We do not like that you do not play the game in the way we believe that you should be playing, so we will do what we can to enforce our ideal of game style and replace yours with it". For my part, i'll keep mining in my own way - minus a permit. If i get ganked or bumped, I accept that as being part of the game and will go back and reship or jump back to my asteroid friends (as they dont have delusions of holy relevance). Cheers, AA AFK generation of resources (whether done by EULA-compliant methods or outright botting) does indeed have an effect on the gameplay of others. It reduces mineral prices, increases supercapital proliferation, and as such increases the power of nullsec entities that can field supercapital fleets at the expense of nullsec entities that don't have supercap fleets and aspiring future nullsec entities. Isn't it ironic that, for all that the New Order get called 'Goon Pets' because of James' former affiliation with Goons and his continuing friendship with Mittens, the activities of the NO (both blowing up barges, and reporting the bot miners) actually harm the Goons.
To use your own reasoning then, the reduction of the mineral prices which allows those large null sec alliances to buy more capitals would also allow those smaller alliances to also acquire supercapitals as they are now at a cheaper cost to buod (yes, i know, my arguement is not strong and easily argued against, but i hope you would get my meaning )
As to the old line of James=mittens=goon pets, i've never subscribed to it as i don't know or really care if it is true or not. As far as i am concerned, the Code. players are ones whoa re playing the game as they see fit to play, irrespective of their affliation on a main. To be honest i would equate James to Jim Bakker, tv evangelist icon
All in all this is a game open to all forms of playstyles and opinions...and also open to people doing something about their opinions ingame.
Cheers,
AA |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:So does a pure manufacturer not play the game? Certainly. Especially because they aren't undocked in open space pretending that they are actually playing. Wait, so let me get this strait. Being undocked and active (which is debatable because one can be looking at the client while not issuing inputs) is the defining point for playing, but removing undocking removes the obligation to be active? Seems like "bot aspirant" is just a meaningless justification here, and not an RP one. If you want to RP someone who likes ganking barges, fine. If you don't want to RP but still like ganking barges, fine. But denigrating players for some BS reasons? Kinda justifies the flak you get as you are perpetuating the mud slinging. No, I highly doubt it justifies them making real life threats and saying they hope I get cancer, and so forth. And yes, it works exactly like that. A manufacturer is rarely logged in, but while he is he is actively engaged in playing the game. A miner likely is not, while being undocked in open space. The crime is far greater. I'm not denigrating players, btw. Because they're not actually playing. The miner plays in exactly the same way the manufacturer plays save the fact that the latter incurs less risk of loss by way of exposure. And yes, you are denigrating players. Your refusal to acknowledge it does not change that fact. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:41:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:They have no real claim to the space itself either. So, ignore them. I'm sure they won't mind. I do, but so long as the discussion is going, why not participate?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3188
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:45:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:The miner plays in exactly the same way the manufacturer plays save the fact that the latter incurs less risk of loss by way of exposure. And yes, you are denigrating players. Your refusal to acknowledge it does not change that fact.
If they're not playing, they're not players. By definition. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:The miner plays in exactly the same way the manufacturer plays save the fact that the latter incurs less risk of loss by way of exposure. And yes, you are denigrating players. Your refusal to acknowledge it does not change that fact. If they're not playing, they're not players. By definition. They are playing, directing ones attention away from the client temporarily doesn't change that.
Edit: Beyond that, since when was the definition simplified to being active in the client? That would mean that all metagame aspects in a social MMO no longer count as playing. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
678
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:48:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:If you have a genuine reason why the game as a whole should condemn AFK play, please feel free to present it, but frothing at the mouth because someone is watching TV while their miners cycle or while slowboating a freighter doesn't cut it. If you want the genuine reasons that the NO believe in, then go read the Code; and clearly your view that AFK isn't a problem is something they disagree with.
I doubt those views will ever agree, so if their roleplay doesn'y worry you, then just forget about them. Your view won't have any impact on them and I doubt you'll be affected by them very often.
For my part, I don't have any problem with miners in highsec, nor with gankers.
What I do have a problem with is players who want to make highsec safe. They often claim that gankers drive new players away from the game and the game will collapse at some point because they can't just play in peace.
My view is, making highsec safe and turning it into a themepark is the thing that will lead to the end of the game. No other game offers the environment that EvE offers and that uniqueness is exactly why the game has survived so long. It provides a game for people who don't want the WoW experience.
Turn it into WoW and EvE just becomes the same as every other game that can be played without challenge or thought.
Don't make EvE that. If anything, remove some of the current limits on play so that everything is driven and controlled by players, including their security in any area of space. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3188
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:49:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:The miner plays in exactly the same way the manufacturer plays save the fact that the latter incurs less risk of loss by way of exposure. And yes, you are denigrating players. Your refusal to acknowledge it does not change that fact. If they're not playing, they're not players. By definition. They are playing, directing ones attention away from the client temporarily doesn't change that.
"temporarily" doesn't include 90% of the time.
You can't claim that mining afk is the exception, when it's actually the rule. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:The miner plays in exactly the same way the manufacturer plays save the fact that the latter incurs less risk of loss by way of exposure. And yes, you are denigrating players. Your refusal to acknowledge it does not change that fact. If they're not playing, they're not players. By definition. They are playing, directing ones attention away from the client temporarily doesn't change that. "temporarily" doesn't include 90% of the time. You can't claim that mining afk is the exception, when it's actually the rule. I don't claim AFK cloaking as an exception, which can last far longer. and be a higher percentage. |
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
76
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:So does a pure manufacturer not play the game? Certainly. Especially because they aren't undocked in open space pretending that they are actually playing. Wait, so let me get this strait. Being undocked and active (which is debatable because one can be looking at the client while not issuing inputs) is the defining point for playing, but removing undocking removes the obligation to be active? Seems like "bot aspirant" is just a meaningless justification here, and not an RP one. If you want to RP someone who likes ganking barges, fine. If you don't want to RP but still like ganking barges, fine. But denigrating players for some BS reasons? Kinda justifies the flak you get as you are perpetuating the mud slinging. No, I highly doubt it justifies them making real life threats and saying they hope I get cancer, and so forth. And yes, it works exactly like that. A manufacturer is rarely logged in, but while he is he is actively engaged in playing the game. A miner likely is not, while being undocked in open space. The crime is far greater. I'm not denigrating players, btw. Because they're not actually playing.
You have a very narrow definition of playing right?
I remember playing a turn based space game that involved sending my moves/actions to a central person via mail (yes the internet hasn't been around since the beginning of time). It was a slow torturous process but it was longer than i would take when doing mining, i was doing the same amount of actions as when i mine. So would you say that i wasn't a player as i was interacting less in my mail turn based game?
I agree some of the language that is used by both sides is a lot to be desired. You even use the word "Crime" or "bot aspirant" to give the playing style of the other player a negative connatation. But yet there is no crime committed or intent to aspire to be a bot, but by labelling it as such it makes it eaiser to rally the forces against the person.
Why is it so hard to just say "I don't like the way you play" or "I only want to gank you to wreck your enjoyment of the game" - it works fine for Goons who are considered such a lovely bunch of space faring hippies
Sometimes we make the game harder than what it needs to be. |
Mara Denais
Shadow Runners.
41
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:00:00 -
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Arancar Australis wrote: I remember playing a turn based space game that involved sending my moves/actions to a central person via mail (yes the internet hasn't been around since the beginning of time).
Oh damn, i forgot about that one. Remind me on the name, please? I'm stuck with a a lame token-ring LAN-8086 game and i'm sure it's the wrong one :(
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3414
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:03:00 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:Does anyone know if this is a corp? Anyone seen a mining ship with a New Order permit taken out? Or is this just a propaganda war?
Likely just some guy creating exposure to lend credibility to his rather simple scam once he launches it wholesale. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3188
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:04:00 -
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Arancar Australis wrote:You have a very narrow definition of playing right? I remember playing a turn based space game that involved sending my moves/actions to a central person via mail (yes the internet hasn't been around since the beginning of time). It was a slow torturous process but it was longer than i would take when doing mining, i was doing the same amount of actions as when i mine. So would you say that i wasn't a player as i was interacting less in my mail turn based game?
Of course not, because that's how your game works. Played my share of "play by mail" in my day. It's not a failure to be a player to wait your turn in cards, either, before anyone whips out that tired old line.
EVE is not a turn based game, however.
Quote:I agree some of the language that is used by both sides is a lot to be desired. You even use the word "Crime" or "bot aspirant" to give the playing style of the other player a negative connatation. But yet there is no crime committed or intent to aspire to be a bot, but by labelling it as such it makes it eaiser to rally the forces against the person. Why is it so hard to just say "I don't like the way you play" or "I only want to gank you to wreck your enjoyment of the game" - it works fine for Goons who are considered such a lovely bunch of space faring hippies Sometimes we make the game harder than what it needs to be.
You can dissemble all you please, but one of those groups is engaging in legitimate gameplay, while one is making threats and using language that is against the EULA.
There is no moral equivalency between the two groups. One group are players, one group are real-life threatening, obscenity-spouting slime. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:06:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You can dissemble all you please, but one of those groups is engaging in legitimate gameplay, while one is making threats and using language that is against the EULA.
There is no moral equivalency between the two groups. One group are players, one group are real-life threatening, obscenity-spouting slime.
There really is no excuse for real life threats, but those individuals are players as well.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
468
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:19:00 -
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Arancar Australis wrote:Why is it so hard to just say "I don't like the way you play" or "I only want to gank you to wreck your enjoyment of the game" - it works fine for Goons who are considered such a lovely bunch of space faring hippies
ha colorful and free spirited with their pixie dust and unicorns and ponys, the Goons are such a luvable bunch that I want to run up and hugzz every single one of them :D
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
77
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:19:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Arancar Australis wrote:You have a very narrow definition of playing right? I remember playing a turn based space game that involved sending my moves/actions to a central person via mail (yes the internet hasn't been around since the beginning of time). It was a slow torturous process but it was longer than i would take when doing mining, i was doing the same amount of actions as when i mine. So would you say that i wasn't a player as i was interacting less in my mail turn based game? Of course not, because that's how your game works. Played my share of "play by mail" in my day. It's not a failure to be a player to wait your turn in cards, either, before anyone whips out that tired old line. EVE is not a turn based game, however. Quote:I agree some of the language that is used by both sides is a lot to be desired. You even use the word "Crime" or "bot aspirant" to give the playing style of the other player a negative connatation. But yet there is no crime committed or intent to aspire to be a bot, but by labelling it as such it makes it eaiser to rally the forces against the person. Why is it so hard to just say "I don't like the way you play" or "I only want to gank you to wreck your enjoyment of the game" - it works fine for Goons who are considered such a lovely bunch of space faring hippies Sometimes we make the game harder than what it needs to be. You can dissemble all you please, but one of those groups is engaging in legitimate gameplay, while one is making threats and using language that is against the EULA. There is no moral equivalency between the two groups. One group are players, one group are real-life threatening, obscenity-spouting slime.
Kaarous, you need to step back and take a breath mate, because if you read my sentence "I agree some of the language that is used by both sides is a lot to be desired". I should have separated both to be a bit more cleaer on that
What i would point out is that yes, Eve is not a turn based game and the one i played in that format was due to how the game was designed, but you argued my point for me. There is nothing within the design of Eve that expressly prevents the style of play that the Code is advocating against. In fact Eve allows it with very little prevention.
Where the design beauty of Eve is that it also allows you the ability to take matters into your own hands and do something about the playstyle that you see as being "non complaint to the Code"....and for it is worth, more power to you because that is what i enjoy about this game, the ability to do virtually anything within the outer limits of this game design.
But i will reiterate, i totally agree that wishing harm or injury to a person or to people that you know is totally abhorrent.
So if you want to gank me because i am mining and appear to be afk or semi-afk, go for it as i accept it as being part of the game and you will get a well done from me and a sheepish grin for having lost a ship because this is only a game that i play for my own sense of enjoyment.
Cheers,
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:21:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Arancar Australis wrote:Why is it so hard to just say "I don't like the way you play" or "I only want to gank you to wreck your enjoyment of the game" - it works fine for Goons who are considered such a lovely bunch of space faring hippies ha colorful and free spirited with their pixie dust and unicorns and ponys, the Goons are such a luvable bunch that I want to run up and hugzz every single one of them :D
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:23:00 -
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Arancar Australis wrote:There is nothing within the design of Eve that expressly prevents the style of play that the Code is advocating against. In fact Eve allows it with very little prevention.
And that would be the problem that we're trying to fix.
Quote:But i will reiterate, i totally agree that wishing harm or injury to a person or to people that you know is totally abhorrent.
So if you want to gank me because i am mining and appear to be afk or semi-afk, go for it as i accept it as being part of the game and you will get a well done from me and a sheepish grin for having lost a ship because this is only a game that i play for my own sense of enjoyment.
Good.
And as for the second part, that's the attitude we're trying for in the first place. Buy yourself a permit and you'll be set. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:25:00 -
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Mara Denais wrote:Arancar Australis wrote: I remember playing a turn based space game that involved sending my moves/actions to a central person via mail (yes the internet hasn't been around since the beginning of time).
Oh damn, i forgot about that one. Remind me on the name, please? I'm stuck with a a lame token-ring LAN-8086 game and i'm sure it's the wrong one :(
For the life of me i cannot remember the name either...it's a goons conspiracy to make me forget (isn't that what i am supposed to day?) |
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