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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
80
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Arancar Australis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, this thread has taken a turn where I feel obliged to start talking about dingos, Fosters, and crocodiles. Yes Fosters was our first step in our plans to take over the world. Next it will be Vegemite...you have been warned!! In all of my long life, I still haven't figured out what Vegemite is. I did manage to get me one of those hats, what are they called, drungo? Idk, the guy I bought it from and I barely spoke the same language enough to agree on a price(and we were both theoretically speaking English is the funny part), "drungo" might have been his name for all I know. Goes great with my brown leather duster, though.
Hmm i am thinking probably an Akubra hat which is standard
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Buck Futz
New Order Logistics CODE.
176
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:34:00 -
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Thread is bad and the OP should feel bad. |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
80
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:34:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, from what I can tell then, my answers are: "Grr, roleplaying" and "miners can't keep the game in the game". Sure, if you're going to blanket label every miner in game, but I really doubt all the players who mine would bother to seek you out for insult. I don't blanket label every miner in the game. Just the ones whom I bump 30km away and they just sit there for half an hour until they tab back into the game. Those ones aren't "players who mine", because the word "player" implies that they are playing the game. So yeah, those ones get a label. It's called "bot-aspirant". So does a pure manufacturer not play the game? I think we are getting Side tracked a bit. Manufacturing requires a fair bit of active gameplay. You have to set up a pos, buy and ship minerals, buy BPOs and most importantly, figure out whats profitable to manufacture. You can't automate most this and any bot that was set up to manufacture would fail horribly as industry requires complex decision making. By contrast, a bot aspirant miners tries to automate his actions as much as he possibly can. There is no complex decision making, so players try to pay as little attention as possible to what they are doing.
Funny how you leave out PI set ups which can be set and left for days on end and only require a push to start and a push to collect.
So when will the bumping of PI bot aspirants start?
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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
75
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:38:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:We are the good guys. We are here to help. And if you believe that then I have a bridge that you might want to look at. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3195
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:42:00 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:We are the good guys. We are here to help. And if you believe that then I have a bridge that you might want to look at.
Cov ops bridge, or regular? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
691
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:43:00 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:We are the good guys. We are here to help. And if you believe that then I have a bridge that you might want to look at. It's all perspective and there is nothing inherently wrong with what they are doing. They very we'll could be the good guys ensuring that everyone is highsec is aware it isn't safe and EvE isn't a theme park.
All just a matter of opinion, but in general people believe the opinions they offer. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
17
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:52:00 -
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Arancar Australis wrote: Don't hide behind some higher calling or some misguided notion that an AFK player harms the game (as an AFK player has no effect on your game play). Be honest and upfront and change the manifesto to " We do not like that you do not play the game in the way we believe that you should be playing, so we will do what we can to enforce our ideal of game style and replace yours with it".
My indy/mining alt that gets inconvenienced by 10 man multiboxing fleets tearing apart entire asteroid belts in the time it takes to fill a machinaw would like to disagree with you.
Also why pay to play a game you really aren't playing? I can think of much better uses of my money then that.
As for the validity of the "mining permits" meh... I can keep my miner alt out of trouble simply by you know, actually playing the game. You know that little window you can put up that's called a directional scanner? Adding known gankers in your area to your watchlist with bad standings so you know when they log on and when they enter system by watching local? I know there are a couple of different mining intel channels out there... Its not that hard to stay alive while mining or missioning...
Its not that hard to get rid of pain in the ass afk'ers, multiboxers, or botters either... Get in your own damn catalyst and take care of it yourself...
Why pay someone 10m isk when you can do everything they offer on your own if you actually care about and play this game...
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
349
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:01:00 -
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Multibox ice mining needs some addressing.
My personal simplest solution that does not directly change mining mechanics is this:
-Make Ice Belts sweeping random Anomalies, more or less the same as other Ore Anomalies.
This raises the threshold slightly for multiboxers, and aligns ice mining with other mining activities.
Though it makes systematic harvesting of Ice a bit more difficult, owing to having to first locate the fields and then move the fleet, it has a hidden incentive for miners as well.
This is that it also becomes more difficult for TNO and other gankers to find their targets.
I think this is a sufficient starting solution that fits the precedents of the game and offers a unilaterally equitable exchange of interests between miners/gankers/multiboxers and the community at large. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
84
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:26:00 -
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I mine in h-sec now and then. Well not lately, which caused the destruction of my Orca when I engaged a wreck made by an alt, but I used to. Apart from that I have to facepalm myself everytime I jumpclone into H-sec and get heart attack and start shifting through my ships to see if I have an interceptor so I can undock....
I ran into a system where a guy was cursing CODE. Since there was a reply indicating there was someone from CODE looking to gank, I burned back. I found the miner and was waiting for CODE to jump in. Never happened. All I saw was a bunch of neutral alts.
I'm not against making your own story in a sandbox. Not even when it means I'm gonna get blown up. Unfortunately for me this story is as old as EVE. Neutral alts in trashers or catalysts ganking barges. That also means buying a permit (in my case sponsoring a good story) stopped making sense.
My hope is now on a dude that multiboxes Talosses and ganks freighters. This guy is NOT in an NPC corp. He's also NOT using cheap throw away alts. Based on the age of his characters he's forced to go lowsec to grind up his sec-status. He's also got a bunch of killrights on him like a boss. THAT is ganking for pro's. In my opinion. In MY story.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3197
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:12:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:I mine in h-sec now and then. Well not lately, which caused the destruction of my Orca when I engaged a wreck made by an alt, but I used to. Apart from that I have to facepalm myself everytime I jumpclone into H-sec and get heart attack and start shifting through my ships to see if I have an interceptor so I can undock....
I ran into a system where a guy was cursing CODE. Since there was a reply indicating there was someone from CODE looking to gank, I burned back. I found the miner and was waiting for CODE to jump in. Never happened. All I saw was a bunch of neutral alts.
I'm not against making your own story in a sandbox. Not even when it means I'm gonna get blown up. Unfortunately for me this story is as old as EVE. Neutral alts in trashers or catalysts ganking barges. That also means buying a permit (in my case sponsoring a good story) stopped making sense.
My hope is now on a dude that multiboxes Talosses and ganks freighters. This guy is NOT in an NPC corp. He's also NOT using cheap throw away alts. Based on the age of his characters he's forced to go lowsec to grind up his sec-status. He's also got a bunch of killrights on him like a boss. THAT is ganking for pro's. In my opinion. In MY story.
Use of "throwaway alts" is a bannable offense. We don't do that.
As for "thrasher or catalysts ganking barges", what else are we supposed to use? They cried hard enough to get the barges (and especially the exhumers) EHP buffed to such absurd levels that it's not economical or intelligent to use much anything else.
And as for the guy with the Talos fleet, good for him. Glad to see stuff like that now and again. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
10
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:03:00 -
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I'll just leave this here, as I have left in every other NO thread I find.
I mine semi-afk (alt-tabbed while I'm at work) 9-5 Eastern Standard Time from Monday to Friday, in a system 2 jumps from Amarr.
I mine in an untanked Mackinaw, and I spit in the face of your code. I have been spouting this disrespect for almost a month, and none of you have come to do anything about it yet. Your delusion that you are "creating content" is laughable, at best. As I've said and will re-iterate, you are fail PvP pilots that need to attack people who don't fight back with some kind of twisted mentality that makes you think you are "champions".
If your bark had ANY kind of bite, I'd have lost a ton of barges by now. The fact that I can publicly taunt you, time and time again, and you are powerless to do anything about it, will hopefully steer away any aspirant code-compliers from falling for your troll scams.
Still waiting, WW
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Lin Suizei
203
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:19:00 -
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Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:I mine semi-afk (alt-tabbed while I'm at work) 9-5 Eastern Standard Time from Monday to Friday, in a system 2 jumps from Amarr.
I mine in an untanked Mackinaw, and I spit in the face of your code. I have been spouting this disrespect for almost a month, and none of you have come to do anything about it yet. Your delusion that you are "creating content" is laughable, at best. As I've said and will re-iterate, you are fail PvP pilots that need to attack people who don't fight back with some kind of twisted mentality that makes you think you are "champions".
If your bark had ANY kind of bite, I'd have lost a ton of barges by now. The fact that I can publicly taunt you, time and time again, and you are powerless to do anything about it, will hopefully steer away any aspirant code-compliers from falling for your troll scams.
Oh no, an irrelevant miner is mining afk somewhere in highsec! Whatever shall we do?!
Praise James for bringing us this hilarious post, and this excellent thread. Xeros S*** > are you really suprised? im not here to pvp so why the fuc not Xeros S**** > oh go cry somewhere else, im not in fw for the ****** pvp
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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
84
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
As for "thrasher or catalysts ganking barges", what else are we supposed to use? They cried hard enough to get the barges (and especially the exhumers) EHP buffed to such absurd levels that it's not economical or intelligent to use much anything else.
I fully understand why thrashers and catalysts are awesome for the job you set yourself out to do. I just thought CODE was about CODE ganking. I didn't got the part about CODE being a "code of conduct" instead of a ganking corp. Now that I do, this is old news for me. Which is disappointing from my point of view.
Still, the minerbumping site has some nice stories. I'll be content with that.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3197
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:22:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
As for "thrasher or catalysts ganking barges", what else are we supposed to use? They cried hard enough to get the barges (and especially the exhumers) EHP buffed to such absurd levels that it's not economical or intelligent to use much anything else.
I fully understand why thrashers and catalysts are awesome for the job you set yourself out to do. I just thought CODE was about CODE ganking. I didn't got the part about CODE being a "code of conduct" instead of a ganking corp. Now that I do, this is old news for me. Which is disappointing from my point of view. Still, the minerbumping site has some nice stories. I'll be content with that.
I like to wait a week or so between reading it, that way it builds up some good stories in between. I damn near laughed myself to death on last November's stuff, I will say that much. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
10
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:35:00 -
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Lin Suizei wrote:Oh no, an irrelevant miner is mining afk somewhere in highsec! Whatever shall we do?!
Praise James for bringing us this hilarious post, and this excellent thread.
Dismiss it all you want, just proves how vain and futile your efforts are. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3199
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:47:00 -
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Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:Lin Suizei wrote:Oh no, an irrelevant miner is mining afk somewhere in highsec! Whatever shall we do?!
Praise James for bringing us this hilarious post, and this excellent thread. Dismiss it all you want, just proves how vain and futile your efforts are.
Uh oh guys, I guess if we miss that one guy, that means all the people we've killed and all the permits we've sold in the last 12+ months aren't relevant. Such sadness, much chagrin. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
11
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:59:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:Lin Suizei wrote:Oh no, an irrelevant miner is mining afk somewhere in highsec! Whatever shall we do?!
Praise James for bringing us this hilarious post, and this excellent thread. Dismiss it all you want, just proves how vain and futile your efforts are. Uh oh guys, I guess if we miss that one guy, that means all the people we've killed and all the permits we've sold in the last 12+ months aren't relevant. Such sadness, much chagrin.
Nope, but if only 1 person sees that anyone can openly disrespect you and flat out call you a bunch of bitches and get away with it, and that 1 person decides NOT to buy a permit, I'll have done my job.
Obviously you have no concept of what respect and credibility are.
Where I'm from, people who are disrespectful and forget to pay their dues to the right people become examples of why you can't do that. If people aren't afraid of consequences, they won't respect you. |
Tacomaco
No Taxes just fun
16
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:04:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: New Order permits were never worth anything. They were a pure scam from day 1.
Eve has a lot of funny stuff like this.
This New Order is a double scam and you don't see may of this. On one hand they scam the miners that buy their permits. Of course the may be very few miners that bought permits as anyone can make an alt and claim that alt purchased a permit.
On the other hand they sell their own shares to Eve players and keep the PR campaign running to sell some more. From what they published on their site they should have some 700+ players caught in this. And one of this days James will close the door on another one of scam and empty the wallet.
In case you haven't seen one of this share scams google "South Sea Company" |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2893
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:14:00 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote: ... But you can't undo all the carnage, explosive tear extraction and even the effect of just one Agent in local who tells a miner, "Permit or bump." and then proceeds to enforce the Code by either removing the miner from his ship or his ship from the belt. ... But what's the benefit of tear extraction? What benefit? Think about it. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3202
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:16:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote: ... But you can't undo all the carnage, explosive tear extraction and even the effect of just one Agent in local who tells a miner, "Permit or bump." and then proceeds to enforce the Code by either removing the miner from his ship or his ship from the belt. ... But what's the benefit of tear extraction? What benefit? Think about it.
Typically? 10 million isk. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2893
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:45:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote: ... But you can't undo all the carnage, explosive tear extraction and even the effect of just one Agent in local who tells a miner, "Permit or bump." and then proceeds to enforce the Code by either removing the miner from his ship or his ship from the belt. ... But what's the benefit of tear extraction? What benefit? Think about it. Typically? 10 million isk. That's ISK, which is an ingame item that provides a practical benefit to a player. "Tear extraction" is not an ingame item, so it can only provide a benefit of... what? Juvenile bullying gratification? Something like Sid Phillips Syndrome?
Edit: I have nothing against nonconsensual PVP. People who get ships blown up need to learn from the experience. And nothing against enjoying it when people fly into an unreasonable rage when they lose a ship due to a valid game mechanic. But having "extracting tears' as a goal, though, that's different. Not everybody means it literally, but some do. |
Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc.
263
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:08:00 -
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Despite the fine efforts of so many New Order members and supporters there is still such a vast sea of misunderstanding and ignorance out there. I know a lot of it is willfully refusing to accept that we mean what we say because "principle!" and "honor!" but some of it appears to be just plain not-getting-it.
I think no one will argue with the statement that there are players in Eve who believe they should be able to safely PvE in highsec without interference from other players. These players are concentrated in three areas. 1) The players who AFK autopilot between systems, mainly haulers, 2) the players who run missions in expensive, over-fitted non-PvP ships and of course 3) the max yield ice and ore miners. They often compound their stupidity by doing these activities with pods full of expensive implants chosen to maximize their ISK generation. Each of these types of players thumbs their nose at the idea that they are doing something provably stupid, despite Eve's long history of separating these foolish people from their assets.
None of this would be a problem if they didn't fly to the petition page and the forums ( and the comments section of www.minerbumping.com) to demand changes to the game that would prevent them from having to take actual actions themselves to prevent another sudden but justifiable loss of their precious ISK.
And THAT wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't clear that CCP has been listening to them. In what is certainly an attempt to carve out a safe space for the risk adverse (and their subscriptions) we have seen numerous changes to highsec that have been obvious concessions to the "highsec should be safe" crowd. Increased EHP built into the mining ships, massive ore holds, CONCORD response times buffed, can-flipping agro changes, and, of all things, a safety button were put in to save the carebears from themselves and their dumb activities.
And so, there is the New Order of Highsec. Pushing back. Not just against the players but the people who decide the things in the previous paragraphs were good ideas. Somebody care to explain how any of those things made Eve a better game? How it matches with the dark, dangerous universe? How it isn't something Blizzard would do?
We say we are against the AFKers and the bot aspirants. Its what we call people who think highsec is or should be safe. We call them bot aspirants for two reasons. One because what they do is barely different from a bot, ie a click or two every 45 minutes. Two because they WOULD bot if CCP allowed it. I know, they claim they would NEVER bot. But the truth is, if CCP put a macro function into Eve that allowed them to automate their PvE, they would use it. For many, the whole point is to make ISK while doing something else. Many miners have moved so close to being bots they are indistinguishable to the observer. And the bots hide amongst them in clear sight as no one can tell the difference.
So, finally, we get to the permits. Despite the clear history of the New Order where James has told us the permits exist because CCP REQUIRED James to create a profit aspect of the Code it serves another useful purpose. It allows us Agents to tell who is with us and who is against us. Who supports us and who supports the bot aspirants. When I see a miner without a permit I recognize him as someone who supports a safe highsec, afk play and bot aspirancy. I cheerfully bump or gank said player because he is the ENEMY of this game. For his own selfish reasons, he is willing to turn Eve into a theme-park.
I, for one, will hunt down people like this and drive them wailing into the wilderness. Or back to their safe on-line games. Eve is better off without them. And I am definitely not roleplaying when I say this.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Rashnu Gorbani
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:09:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:A tank will cost you from two to ten million ISK every hour. I would have thought 10m/hr is a very high number to make at all while mining in hisec. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1334
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:19:00 -
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Wow.. 7 pages of thoughtful intercourse about the validity of permits, the CODE, ganking, industry, afk, and botting. But all that matters is this:
What will it take to get the guy bumping or ganking you to stop?
It matters not what his ideology is. Telling him "permits are worthless" or "you can't own hisec" doesn't stop him from bumping or ganking you. Arguing philosophy on the forums isn't likely to do much to improve the EHP of your barge, so you may want to consider what in-game actions you want to take instead. I for one think you should buy a permit and fly with the Code in your heart and on your finger tips. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Winchester Steele
402
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:44:00 -
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My god! Thank you James for this absolutely endless fountain of tears you have bestowed upon us, your lowly share holders. The mere mention of the Order causes 7 pages of burbling, mewling tears even a year after your glorious reign began. Never for a moment did I expect such a ridiculously high return on my investment.
He's so legendary at this point that he need not even speak. The mere mention of his name creates a deluge of tears amongst the carebear folk.
James315, content creator of my heart! This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Nazmin Tomas
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:54:00 -
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My Permit is not worthless, it also has sentimental value, its like getting an autograph from a celebrity (if you see who issued it). I'm getting my renewed permit from Bing Bangboom next. |
Winchester Steele
402
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:59:00 -
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Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:I'll just leave this here, as I have left in every other NO thread I find.
I mine semi-afk (alt-tabbed while I'm at work) 9-5 Eastern Standard Time from Monday to Friday, in a system 2 jumps from Amarr.
I mine in an untanked Mackinaw, and I spit in the face of your code. I have been spouting this disrespect for almost a month, and none of you have come to do anything about it yet. Your delusion that you are "creating content" is laughable, at best. As I've said and will re-iterate, you are fail PvP pilots that need to attack people who don't fight back with some kind of twisted mentality that makes you think you are "champions".
If your bark had ANY kind of bite, I'd have lost a ton of barges by now. The fact that I can publicly taunt you, time and time again, and you are powerless to do anything about it, will hopefully steer away any aspirant code-compliers from falling for your troll scams.
Still waiting, WW
You are SEVERELY overestimating your importance. Noone is paying attention to you because you are an afk bot aspirant who contributes nothing to the sandbox or the community. You might as well be an NPC. Or an antimatter dumpster. Either way, not worth more than 30 seconds of the Order's time, and even then only if they feel like using you to create content for the real EvE players. HTH.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
428
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:02:00 -
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People actually gave money to these knuckle dragging Order imbeciles? Now that is funny.
Next they will sell forum permits or gank you for your forum posts. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1128
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:06:00 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:As I was flying in the Everyshore region, I ran across this message posted in small secure containers at two jump gates.
ATTENTION CODE permit holding miners are now subject to bumps and ganks DO NOT buy permits.
Looks like someone has created a NEW New Order with the message that mining permits are worthless.
They were worth something to begin with? When ever I felt like a gank, new order permits were always primary.
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
256
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:06:00 -
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All New Order permits are worthless. Anyone who forks out 10m for one is being scammed.
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