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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
72
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:06:00 -
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I haven't read all the posts. Sorry if that leads me to repeat something that has been said between page 3 and here.
Why are people being (insert insult), why the sandbox allows for anything?
Reason 1: Untrue. The badies, and their actions, stick out making them look more present then they really are.
Reason 2: Being nice takes more effort.
Reason 3: Being a (insert same or different insult) is the next step after being nice. Being nice becomes boring after a few years.
Reason 4: Being a (insert yet another insult) can easily cover up failure at pro-PvP - "I wasnt being lame, I was collecting tears".
Seriously; HTFU |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1850
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:08:00 -
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You don't need fantastic new ships or super barges. What you need is balance. The Catalyst does not need 700 dps to kill a frigate (its intended role), ship scanners should not be free 100 accurate perves into every ship fitting.
Change those two things you will see a lot of ganking decrease overnight.
Oh and freighters (which are currently just shuttles) need fitting options. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20083
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:11:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:The Catalyst does not need 700 dps to kill a frigate (its intended role), ship scanners should not be free 100 accurate perves into every ship fitting. What makes you say that killing frigates is the intended role of Catalysts? And you do realise that squeezing 700 DPS out of a Catalyst makes it highly unsuitable for most kind of ganking, right?
Quote:Oh and freighters (which are currently just shuttles) need fitting options. I'd prefer it if my freighter wasn't nerfed, thankyouverymuch.
Oh, andGǪQuote:Change those two things you will see a lot of ganking decrease overnight. Why is that needed? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
67
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote::@ OP and other like minded individuals
What exactly are you proposing?
Please provide a conscise numbered list with specific wording of what exactly it is that you want done.
Please append a short explanation to each numbered entry, if it requires elaboration.
Something similar to this:
1) Change x to y: -Reasoning and elaboration
2) Implement mechanic z: - Reasoning and elaboration
This will enable the community to address and consider specifically what it is you are proposing in an informed and organised manner, whereas right now, Inand of thers have no idea what exactly it is you have in mind.
Thanks.
To continue
5.) The Empires would actively distrust Pod people... they would not freely let more and more systems fall into the hands of space immortals.... so any system in nullsec should be subject to an invasion, and I'm talking dwarfing the largest incursion ever even imagined.... and this invasion if allowed by the owning corp/alliance/coalition... would drop their sovereignty.
6.) Because of said mistrust, it would be even more important to remain on good terms with the NPC faction(s) of your choice... if you want to remain in high sec... also add a what have you done for me lately component, that represents the growing mistrust of these new breed of undying humans. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1850
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:The Catalyst does not need 700 dps to kill a frigate (its intended role), ship scanners should not be free 100 accurate perves into every ship fitting. What makes you say that killing frigates is the intended role of Catalysts? And you do realise that squeezing 700 DPS out of a Catalyst makes it highly unsuitable for most kind of ganking, right? Quote:Oh and freighters (which are currently just shuttles) need fitting options. I'd prefer it if my freighter wasn't nerfed, thankyouverymuch. Oh, andGǪ Quote:Change those two things you will see a lot of ganking decrease overnight. Why is that needed? Not interested in conversing with trolls sorry... Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
377
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:14:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
That little girl has zero chance.
Put your daughter on the computer and read what I'm saying to her:
Please do not listen to your daddy. He is a bad person. If you believe the things he tells you, you too will grow up to be a bad person. Call social services and tell them he's a bad person so you can be put in a home with people who will raise you into a good person.
this is about the single most vile thing i have had the displeasure of reading outside of Reddit. seriously man, im not one with much of a moral code but you should be genuinely ashamed for that comment, i am for being part of the same community that generated it. edit: yeah i know im a little late to it but still. I agree, he should be ashamed of himself for exposing his daughter to eve and then using his own daughter as some sort of leverage in an argument. His own daughter, for shame. I sincerely hope that your misinterpretation of my post was deliberate, if not you have genuine issues.
as stated, you should be ashamed. i am. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
189
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:15:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:The Catalyst does not need 700 dps to kill a frigate (its intended role), ship scanners should not be free 100 accurate perves into every ship fitting. What makes you say that killing frigates is the intended role of Catalysts? And you do realise that squeezing 700 DPS out of a Catalyst makes it highly unsuitable for most kind of ganking, right? Quote:Oh and freighters (which are currently just shuttles) need fitting options. I'd prefer it if my freighter wasn't nerfed, thankyouverymuch. Oh, andGǪ Quote:Change those two things you will see a lot of ganking decrease overnight. Why is that needed? Not interested in conversing with trolls sorry...
When he asks you for evidence that he's a troll, just link him the posts where I proved he is one. |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2679
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:15:00 -
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and if killing frigs was a catalyst's intended role, it doesn't follow that it was the only intended role or that ganking is an unintended role |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20083
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:16:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Not interested in conversing with trolls sorry... Then talk to me instead.
What makes you think that Catalysts are just meant to kill frigates? Do you realise how much a 700-dps Catalyst cost and the consequences of this price tag? Why does ganking need to be reduced? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10410
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:20:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Kyperion wrote:Bullshit, 'IRL' you shoot the ************ trying to shoot you.... you can't do that in a mining/merchant ship in eve.... which is ******* stupid IRL if you are going to shoot the guy shooting at you, you need a gun. No different in EvE. The choices you make determine the options you have available. If you don't have a gun, you can't shoot. So either fit some to your ship and make lower ISK/hr, or get friends with guns. And IRL, we can all carry guns... at least in the United States... you cannot carry a gun on a miner barge or merchant ship in EVE... which is bullshit
I had a full page dedicated to my combat iteron V in EON magazines >50 mil isk combat ship challange. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Effect One
Vengeful Swan
136
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:31:00 -
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It's not bogus; it's player driven content.
'EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay' - CCP Rise |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10411
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:33:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Not interested in conversing with trolls sorry...
I too would like to know why you think an average of 30 freighter ganks a month is in need of being nerfed given that at least half a million trips are made by them every month. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2679
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:40:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:and if killing frigs was a catalyst's intended role, it doesn't follow that it was the only intended role or that ganking is an unintended role also, even if ganking were an unintended role, it does not mean ganking is an undesirable role |
Iam The Empress
Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum
76
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:48:00 -
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The game is a cess pit of horrible people and i agre with you. The corp i run is based on real life first and anyone who is not a decent person is ejected within 24 hours of joining.
The best thing to do is fine a corp like ours and just stick with them.
Also streaming is never a good idea mate. It truly isnt.
The internet brings out the worst in people and tbh
I have nothing but contempt for around 80% of the eve community.
They are disgusting excuses for humans who take delight in insulting others for the sake of it, and 90% of them are on this game 24/7 and have no lives. It is a sad state of affairs, but a true one.
I will be +1 your post because you are right. We have recruited people from other games straight into our corporation and they have expressed a disgust at the eve forums and reddit.
I 100% agree with you.
It needs to change but as most of the devs and gms are ex null players, they have the same attitudes.
Empress |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10415
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:53:00 -
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Iam The Empress wrote:The game is a cess pit of horrible people and i agre with you. The corp i run is based on real life first and anyone who is not a decent person is ejected within 24 hours of joining.
The best thing to do is fine a corp like ours and just stick with them.
Also streaming is never a good idea mate. It truly isnt.
The internet brings out the worst in people and tbh
I have nothing but contempt for around 80% of the eve community.
They are disgusting excuses for humans who take delight in insulting others for the sake of it, and 90% of them are on this game 24/7 and have no lives. It is a sad state of affairs, but a true one.
I will be +1 your post because you are right. We have recruited people from other games straight into our corporation and they have expressed a disgust at the eve forums and reddit.
I 100% agree with you.
It needs to change but as most of the devs and gms are ex null players, they have the same attitudes.
Empress
You come to a PvP focused game and get angry when people PvP you... Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
315
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:54:00 -
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@ Iam The Empress: The irony being that you don't realise what a hateful, intolerant, misanthropic, judgmental and bad person you prove yourself to be with the attitudes you express in your post. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10416
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:57:00 -
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Sophie d'Amour wrote:Tippia wrote:Sophie d'Amour wrote:but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE. What were you in, what were you doing, and where were you when you blew up? it do not matter anymore.
You lost a Gnosis in a 0.5 system which was setup for mining with 5x t2 deep core miners, a mining forman link, cargo expanders and no tank aside from a single EM ward amplifier 1.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20085
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:59:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:@ Iam The Empress: The irony being that you don't realise what a hateful, intolerant, judgmental and bad person you prove yourself to be with the attitudes you express in your post. It's kind of funny how often it plays out that way GÇö the ones crying the loudest about the supposed horribleness and GÇ£sociopathyGÇ¥ and disgusting nature of EVE community end up showing that they, more than the people they complain about, fit the criteria. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17100
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Posted - 2014.03.15 11:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sophie d'Amour wrote:Tippia wrote:Sophie d'Amour wrote:but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE. What were you in, what were you doing, and where were you when you blew up? it do not matter anymore. You lost a Gnosis in a 0.5 system which was setup for mining with 5x t2 deep core miners, a mining forman link, cargo expanders and no tank aside from a single EM ward amplifier 1. That's an abomination of a ship, it deserved to be aborted, in fact it should never have been conceived.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
71
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:03:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sophie d'Amour wrote:Tippia wrote:Sophie d'Amour wrote:but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE. What were you in, what were you doing, and where were you when you blew up? it do not matter anymore. You lost a Gnosis in a 0.5 system which was setup for mining with 5x t2 deep core miners, a mining forman link, cargo expanders and no tank aside from a single EM ward amplifier 1. That's an abomination of a ship, it deserved to be aborted, in fact it should never have been conceived.
That fit, that ship, in a 0.5 system is probably not going to last long....
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Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:21:00 -
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Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10416
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:23:00 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote:Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles?
We were once new players too. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote:Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles? We were once new players too. Yet such a time was several years ago, likely in a very different environment.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10416
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:29:00 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote: Yet such a time was several years ago, likely in a very different environment.
It was more dangerous back then. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
315
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote:Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles? We were once new players too.
I am still a new player, and agree with the Vets on this.
As someone pointed out earlier, some people come into EVE with the wrong expectations.
They don't understand that what is actively against the games rules in other MMOs, is not against the rules in EVE. It takes some adjustment, especially if that player has never played a game with a ruleset like EVE before (like UO or Darkfall for example).
It takes some personal adjustment to be able to cope with other people taking or blowing up your stuff, which is something they have never experienced before., without taking it personally, as you would offline, where it is contextually "wrong" and sanctioned. |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2679
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:33:00 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote:Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles? first time i was podded i was in convo with a pirate i said 'oh no i was shot by a guy called yarpen' guy said 'oh yarpen's online? cool i wanted to join his corp, thanks for telling me' i was chuffed 'cos i'd apparently been podded by some kind of pirate king
i knew about eve's scamming, ganking and skulduggery before i joined. it's why i joined, even though i engage in none of these activities |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20085
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote:Yet such a time was several years ago, likely in a very different environment. It was more dangerous back then. And there was far less guidance.
It's not so much that anyone expects new players to have similar views of EVE as the older players, but that we expect them to at least take into consideration the fact that we've been there too, been through the same things they have, and figured out all kinds of neat ways to survive and even prosper. That when we say they can do something, there is actually a sliver of a chance that they can and that we're telling them this out of experience. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
631
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:46:00 -
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There are generally good ppl in game but what you OP is trying to change is generation after generation of spineless scrubs that found their game if CCP don't curb that behavior via game mechanic things are here to stay so just roll with right kinda ppl. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
83
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Posted - 2014.03.15 13:03:00 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote:Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles?
I am a new player and agree with the vets about this topic. |
Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.03.15 13:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote:Yet such a time was several years ago, likely in a very different environment. It was more dangerous back then. And there was far less guidance. It's not so much that anyone expects new players to have similar views of EVE as the older players, but that we expect them to at least take into consideration the fact that we've been there too, been through the same things they have, and figured out all kinds of neat ways to survive and even prosper. That when we say they can do something, there is actually a sliver of a chance that they can and that we're telling them this out of experience. Yes, I'm aware that tutorials barely existed some time ago. But do the tutorials prepare for the world even now? That deserves another topic altogether.
There were comments about newbies being griefed or ganked right out of rookie station, did you experience that as well? Greeted by flashy reds or yellows 1 jump from the starter system? Spammed by duel requests before knowing what duel even is? Just a few examples out the top of my head.
What should also be considered is the fact that players are the product of their time. Players who started 5-10 years ago aren't necessarily of the same generation of people or players. They may have grown in a different kind of world, and that has the potential to carry here to the game. HTFU has very different meaning to a 12-year-old (PEGI 12 game) than to a 30-year-old.
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