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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1066
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Posted - 2014.03.15 16:54:00 -
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Still you can wish it to the pilot after you gank him and loot the wreck. All what is despised in the whole thing is a sompletely psychopatic effect when you did not bother even to say anything to a man. You look there like a rogue drone not a man. Be a man, not a complete jerk. Is that so hard? _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10421
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:00:00 -
[452] - Quote
Bagrat Skalski wrote:Still you can wish it to the pilot after you gank him and loot the wreck. All what is despised in the whole thing is a sompletely psychopatic effect when you did not bother even to say anything to a man. You look there like a rogue drone not a man. Be a man, not a complete jerk. Is that so hard?
They are most often dead and podded so not in system and sending them a mail with "GF" just rubs salt into the wound and fans the flames of rage. Meanwhile we are getting our pods back to safety, sorting out ships for the next gank, getting everything back into position, dealing with concord and looting the goods and getting our own hauler to safety.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10421
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:01:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:If you are about to pod or after you gank someone, wish him good luck next time, with smile, is that so much to ask? These people are certainly worth these words. When ganking there is little time for such things. It's also likely to be seen as adding insult to injury, and cause more threads like this. Whoa, those people need a break, or tell them its only a game.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5063
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:05:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:The community here is nothing. You wanna see ****, look at a game called "Mechwarrior Online".
THEIR subreddit split in two (lol) because there was a really **** moderator and apparent paid shill named Congzilla, who was stifling dissent so the Goons took over (mind you they created the subreddit in the first place, then left as the game was revealed to be more and more ****, and non Goons got mod positions - effectively "taking over") kicked him out, and decided there would be no more moderating comments or bans.
The defenders of all things MWO basically said, "FINE then we're taking our ball home" and threw a hissy fit known as hpgoutreach. One of the mods there made this massive rant on how he was taking all the content creators there and now the Reddit is split in two lol.
The Mechwarrior 4 community (spread across various league forums, Dropshipcommand.com and the Netbattletech forums) was the same way a decade before MWO came out. The various EVE forums are quite tame in comparison.
The problem with some EVE players and especially posters is that they mostly only play EVE/visit EVe related forums and don't have a broad enough perspective to understand what's what.
The EVE community is one of the more stable and mature ones. That's why CCP has fanfest every year and the worst thing you hear about is some dude with bad BO or a couple guys starting a space war because one guy called the other guy's girlfriend "hefty". A Mechwarrior (or Call of Duty or Halo or leage of Legends ect ect) community gathering like that would most likely require actual security planning and increased insurance payments lol. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1066
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:05:00 -
[455] - Quote
"No hard feelings Bro" too? What times we are living in.... _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17103
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:07:00 -
[456] - Quote
Bagrat Skalski wrote:Still you can wish it to the pilot after you gank him and loot the wreck. All what is despised in the whole thing is a sompletely psychopatic effect when you did not bother even to say anything to a man. You look there like a rogue drone not a man. Be a man, not a complete jerk. Is that so hard? You've obviously never seen the reactions of some people when they get ganked, any attempts to contact or engage with some of them in conversation is generally met with a torrent of abuse including death threats, the wishing of crippling disease and misfortune upon your family (both out of game), vitriol and hatred.
Yes ganking people may seem jerk like, however, wishing death, crippling disease and misfortune on someone and their family in real life over the explosion of some internet spaceships, in a game that revolves around said explosions, falls outside the range of being a jerk and into the realms of being an obnoxious individual with no concept of the difference between what happens in a game and what happens in real life.
Most gankers couldn't give two hoots what people say or threaten in the context of the game, because it's within the game. Take it outside of the game and it becomes a matter for the shrinks and the old bill.
Bagrat Skalski wrote:Whoa, those people need a break, or tell them its only a game. Lol, we do, and then we end up with threads like this, and their associated holier than thou, if you do bad in a game you're bad IRL hangers on.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10421
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:10:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:
"No hard feelings Bro" too? What times we are living in....
Bears are the most angry players in EVE and thats the truth, the hatred they can display is unreal at times. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20118
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:16:00 -
[458] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:
"No hard feelings Bro" too? What times we are living in....
Bears are the most angry players in EVE and thats the truth, the hatred they can display is unreal at times. I'll put this forward as an illustration of what I got from one: someone wishing me dead for posting on a forumGǪ And I'm not even a ganker GÇö I'm sure those who actually do stuff in game have seen far worse. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5064
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:21:00 -
[459] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:
"No hard feelings Bro" too? What times we are living in....
Bears are the most angry players in EVE and thats the truth, the hatred they can display is unreal at times.
One of my buddies on this forum mentioned someone sending a picture of his own house after he ganked someone (ie played the game within the rules). Another well known pirate on these forums that I talk with via PMs told me of a similar situation where he had to involve law enforcement because of actual threats. And those of 2 of the tamer examples.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1066
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:21:00 -
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I am a bear and i have been podded and ganked, and i wasn't that mad. But I have some background in PvP in other games and know how pointless it is to throw tantrums. Game isn't over. We all will have our butts kicked repeatedly playing this game. We are all in it together. _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |
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Iam The Empress
Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum
77
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Iam The Empress wrote:The game is a cess pit of horrible people and i agre with you. The corp i run is based on real life first and anyone who is not a decent person is ejected within 24 hours of joining.
The best thing to do is fine a corp like ours and just stick with them.
Also streaming is never a good idea mate. It truly isnt.
The internet brings out the worst in people and tbh
I have nothing but contempt for around 80% of the eve community.
They are disgusting excuses for humans who take delight in insulting others for the sake of it, and 90% of them are on this game 24/7 and have no lives. It is a sad state of affairs, but a true one.
I will be +1 your post because you are right. We have recruited people from other games straight into our corporation and they have expressed a disgust at the eve forums and reddit.
I 100% agree with you.
It needs to change but as most of the devs and gms are ex null players, they have the same attitudes.
Empress You come to a PvP focused game and get angry when people PvP you...
If you had seen my corps pvp killboard, you would realise how stupid that comment is since that is ALL WE DO, however, we have strict rules, no smack in loca, no abuse, no stupid behaviour, treat people with respect.
There is no excuse for the behaviour of people in this game |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
316
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:32:00 -
[462] - Quote
Iam The Empress wrote:There is no excuse for the behaviour of people in this game
Nice universal generalisation to every single individual person playing in the entire game. Including yourself. |
Scrimtar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:38:00 -
[463] - Quote
I feel about eve like I do R/L there are good and bad and that's just the way it is and no measure of interference is going to change that I will say this about eve though I remember when I first started and got my first BC and thought it was bad ass I had a fellow player that was kind enough to help me test my fine fit (Later I learned it was horribly fit). So we went out and commenced to battling and I noticed he was emitting a strange red like beam at me found out later it was a newt and then nothing worked. He took my ship down to structure then asked for ransom to not blow it up of course I didn't have it so pop went my shiny new BC but afterwards he was kind enough to answer a few questions I had and give me a lot of advise on skills and how to properly fit a ship. I learned more in that 1/2 hr of him teaching me about the game than I had in the probably 3 months I had played so I don't think all gankers or ppl that ransom are bad ppl there just enjoying the game just as a miner explorer or anyone else is and it would be more of a crime to try to get ppl to conform to one persons or groups way of thinking. Anyhow that's my 2 cents worth fly safe all. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10422
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:39:00 -
[464] - Quote
Iam The Empress wrote:
If you had seen my corps pvp killboard, you would realise how stupid that comment is since that is ALL WE DO, however, we have strict rules, no smack in loca, no abuse, no stupid behaviour, treat people with respect.
There is no excuse for the behaviour of people in this game
You must have rather thin skin.
Tossing insults at each other is a art form out in 0.0 and everyone just takes it as banter. There is no meaning behind it but bears just dont understand it.
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:45:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:The Mittani is not a bad guy. But it is pretty sickening that there are certain people who want to bring up that event over and over. Give some thought to how keeping that issue alive affects the other person made famous by it. Let it go.
I've never seen anything more pathetic in a video game. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20118
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:45:00 -
[466] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tossing insults at each other is a art form out in 0.0 and everyone just takes it as banter. There is no meaning behind it but bears just dont understand it. To be fair, insults as a dominance game is pretty standard practice in any number of closer communities, so that's hardly a unique phenomenon. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
316
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:47:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:I've never seen anything more pathetic in a video game.
In a video game?
Wat? |
Goe Rilla
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:47:00 -
[468] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:In the real world, Bullying is considered an offense, and cyber-bullying increasingly so these days.
Naturally, the offensive liability of The Mittani's actions never saw light of day as his victim never pressed any complaints, and so it remains based on opinions since then...
However, if people started making a habit of calling their lawyers to check on the liability of some of the **** they go through in this game or the next, a tsunami of charges would come pouring in, without a doubt. There was no liability. Nobodies rights where violated. Hence, no prosecution. Infact the moral, and in some sense legal, liability rests on the suicider for trying to blackmail someone else by threatening to take their own life if they did not comply to their demands. But you obviously can't sue someone who is clinically of unsound mind (as a suicidal individual is considered to be). But returning to topic, I repeat the question a third time to you: Give me one specific and real example of how your rights have been violated in EVE
More like nobodies rights were officially examined, and so, easy to self-conclude on it like you just did.
Anyway, back on the topic at hand, I countered you for what you were saying about individual rights in general, not just in the Eve universe.
But if you want Eve-specific, i'll give you one:
In my early naive days of Eve I wanted to get into mining, i'd read a bit about the unforgiving nature of the game and its players, so I was a bit informed on precautions to take as a hisec miner.
However, that didnt stop the occasional suicide gank from happening and setting me back several weeks as a penniless starting player with no friends and no resources.
But one day came when the gankings became more repetitive, several times a week, followed by waves of insults in local, tagging, "lolcarebear", "back to wow", and all the likes of abuse we all know and endure in this game.
At this point I realised I would have to make tremendous efforts to remain in the hisec mining activity and keeping it the way I wanted to play the game, but I no later realized those efforts in vain, as ganks became systematic, wherever I went, for nearly a whole damn month. This had tremendous effects on my personal life planning as I would have to dedicate considerably more ammounts of time in the game.
It got to a point where I was forced into making a choice between my life and the game, as I was still paying a monthly subscription at the time (and who cares, it's just my money right ?).
It's at this time I thought on the real motivation behind all this rampant ganking, namecalling, PMs riddled with personal insults and abuse on my person, and all in the prevention of making my own money's worth of what I considered the game to play fun for me.
My right as a paying customer was in having fun with this game using a one of its safest advertised functions to do it with, but I was flat-out denied that right to start the game this way by people desiring nothing else but to stamp over your tracks and **** you, because they could.
At that point I also realized those same people had the choice in themselves not to perform such actions, and so, for a service I paid for, i refused to expose myself and money to actions i'd have next to zero control over, and so that ended up with an non-renewed subscription.
Did I have the choice to continue and choose another starting profession ? Sure.
Did I want to ? Nope.
Was it entirely my fault ? Precisely not one bit, as I was looking for my own way to play and have fun in the game using one of its advertised functions, but got prevented to it by an external force that could not care less about you, or why you paid for this game in the first place. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:48:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:I'd say find yourself some help you're in a bad place. And that is more valid a response than what was given by The Mittani because what exactly? You did not comply to the demand, and potentially I committed suicide as a result of that. By your logic and premise, you would be responsible for that, because you did not do what was necessary to prevent me from suicide, which was transfer your assets to my character, or I would commit suicide. By not transfering your assets, according to your own premise, you did not do what was necessary to prevent my suicide, which would have been transferring your assets. I said you should seek help. I didn't tell you to kill yourself. I think the two things are different. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20118
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Posted - 2014.03.15 17:53:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:I said you should seek help. I didn't tell you to kill yourself. I think the two things are different. Then again, he didn't say that eitherGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14099
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:00:00 -
[471] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote: My right as a paying customer was in having fun with this game using a one of its safest advertised functions to do it with, but I was flat-out denied that right to start the game this way by people desiring nothing else but to stamp over your tracks and **** you, because they could.
Your right to what now?
You have a desire for that, but where on earth did you get the idea that you have a right to it in a game that's openly and explicitly advertised as a single-shard open world with FFA PvP.
You have the following rights in EVE:
You have the right to try doing anything you like
You have the right to try and stop anyone else doing anything you don't like
But you have no right whatsoever to succeed.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14099
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:03:00 -
[472] - Quote
I think it's time to make my monthly suggestion to ccp that they make the nature of EVE explicitly and unavoidably clear to new players. It should literally be impossible to undock for the first time without clicking through a modal window that stays up for 60 seconds and says very clearly "OTHER PLAYERS CAN AND WILL INTERACT WITH YOU IN ANY AREA OF THE GAME, AND IT IS ALLOWABLE FOR THEM TO DO THINGS YOU MAY NOT LIKE."
1 Kings 12:11
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
316
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:04:00 -
[473] - Quote
@Goe Rilla:
You have the right to terminate your account with CCP whenever you want. You also have the right to make use of the service CCP provides, according to their terms and conditions, as long as you are a subscribed customer.
None of your rights have been violated in the example you illustrated.
@Moonlit Raid:
Yes, those are literally two different responses. They are comprised of two different sets of words and communicate two different meanings.
And? So what?
Are you trying to claim your response is morally superior to the other? If so, based on whos moral judgement? Yours? Mine? The Mittanis?
Your moral stance is his response was immoral. His moral stance would bviously seem to be that it was not immoral. My moral stance is one of ambivalence, because I believe a person is free to say what they wish as long as they dont break the law.
None of us can dictate that our personal stance is the "right" one, because for each of us, that amounts only to our own opinion, and one which obviously the other two do not necessarilynshare and to which they are not accountable to, beholden to, or subservient to. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
124
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:14:00 -
[474] - Quote
I think eve online has one of the best communities. I don't agree with some behaviours and i find the "tear harvesting11111" a bit childish but people shouldn't take some actions as something personal. It is a game after all.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20119
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:14:00 -
[475] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I think it's time to make my monthly suggestion to ccp that they make the nature of EVE explicitly and unavoidably clear to new players. It should literally be impossible to undock for the first time without clicking through a modal window that stays up for 60 seconds and says very clearly "OTHER PLAYERS CAN AND WILL INTERACT WITH YOU IN ANY AREA OF THE GAME, AND IT IS ALLOWABLE FOR THEM TO DO THINGS YOU MAY NOT LIKE." Do it.
I'd suggest a quiz to download the client as well GÇö 80% correct required to get to the files. Do you think they'd call that overkill? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10425
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:16:00 -
[476] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:
More like nobodies rights were officially examined, and so, easy to self-conclude on it like you just did.
Anyway, back on the topic at hand, I countered you for what you were saying about individual rights in general, not just in the Eve universe.
But if you want Eve-specific, i'll give you one:
In my early naive days of Eve I wanted to get into mining, i'd read a bit about the unforgiving nature of the game and its players, so I was a bit informed on precautions to take as a hisec miner.
However, that didnt stop the occasional suicide gank from happening and setting me back several weeks as a penniless starting player with no friends and no resources.
But one day came when the gankings became more repetitive, several times a week, followed by waves of insults in local, tagging, "lolcarebear", "back to wow", and all the likes of abuse we all know and endure in this game.
At this point I realised I would have to make tremendous efforts to remain in the hisec mining activity and keeping it the way I wanted to play the game, but I no later realized those efforts in vain, as ganks became systematic, wherever I went, for nearly a whole damn month. This had tremendous effects on my personal life planning as I would have to dedicate considerably more ammounts of time in the game.
It got to a point where I was forced into making a choice between my life and the game, as I was still paying a monthly subscription at the time (and who cares, it's just my money right ?).
It's at this time I thought on the real motivation behind all this rampant ganking, namecalling, PMs riddled with personal insults and abuse on my person, and all in the prevention of making my own money's worth of what I considered the game to play fun for me.
My right as a paying customer was in having fun with this game using a one of its safest advertised functions to do it with, but I was flat-out denied that right to start the game this way by people desiring nothing else but to stamp over your tracks and **** you, because they could.
At that point I also realized those same people had the choice in themselves not to perform such actions, and so, for a service I paid for, i refused to expose myself and money to actions i'd have next to zero control over, and so that ended up with an non-renewed subscription.
Did I have the choice to continue and choose another starting profession ? Sure.
Did I want to ? Nope.
Was it entirely my fault ? Precisely not one bit, as I was looking for my own way to play and have fun in the game using one of its advertised functions, but got prevented from it by an external force that could not care less about you, or why you joined and paid for this game in the first place.
Given the utter lack of killboard history I will assume you are currently using another account or an alt.
Going simply off what you described it sounds like you tried to mine during one of the interdictions that we ran. In response to you stating that you were not at fault I will say that yes, yes it was your fault. It doesn't matter if you were trying to play differently to other people, you were still playing EVE and as such you play the exact same game as we do so you are fair game.
Now as a miner you have several options open to you including not mining in systems that are under a well advertised attack, staying aligned so you can instantly warp out, not going AFK and using the scanned and you overview to provide yourself intel on what ships are in your area and the option to fit a robust tank as well as choosing a ship like the skiff which is a gankers worst nightmare and selecting a flight of ECM drones.
Like most miners you likely chose to do none of these things and flew an untanked hulk/mack/retri and went for max cargo and yield. So yes, it was your fault. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20119
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:26:00 -
[477] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:Was it entirely my fault ? Precisely not one bit, as I was looking for my own way to play and have fun in the game using one of its advertised functions, but got prevented from it by an external force that could not care less about you, or why you joined and paid for this game in the first place. It rather was. Just like they had to force their ways onto you to get what they wanted, you have to force your ways on them to get what you want. You failed to do so, so you didn't get your way.
Welcome to the sandbox, where you aren't guaranteed to succeed at anything you attempt, but rather get to attempt anything you want to succeed at. To do so, you will have to overcome other players who have opposing interests and who are trying to do exactly the same. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14104
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:41:00 -
[478] - Quote
Just for clarification:
I don't scam
I don't gank
I don't laugh at people who are bad enough that they get killed by somone who players as badly as me
I make a habit of helping new players
I do play in an NBSI alliance in 0.0 but I don't awox or spy
But
I want my choice to play that way to have meaning. If I were forced to play that way then my choice to do would mean nothing; I'd be just a clockwork orange, and I'd soon quit the game. Because the only reason that EVE Online, A Bad Game gets people to log in is because of the player interaction.
I accept that this choice means that I will sometimes be at a disadvantage. I am self secure enough to laugh off attempts by players who choose a different path to try and make me feel bad when those choices cost me. Generally I manage to turn the attempt back on them and have a laugh myself.
I am content that my choice has overall been to my advantage ingame: my word is good, there are many people in game ready to lend me ISK or assets (Bliss if you're reading this I'll trade the Rev back when the rugby is over and I log in OK?) but win or lose, my choices, my consequences, my responsibility: my game.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14104
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:42:00 -
[479] - Quote
And no one can take that away from me, and by god I'll fight you if you try.
1 Kings 12:11
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
2309
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:52:00 -
[480] - Quote
It's actually Molle's game, but at least you think you're making autonomous decisions, so your point still stands. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
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