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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10430
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:07:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
No, but the ones shooting others while calling them a "******" are bad people. Every competitive act can be experienced with honor and dignity. The one's who forgo it to upset others lessen themselves before their insults do any impact on the ones they aim them at.
You do know that the most vile insults and threats come from bears right? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1503
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
No, but the ones shooting others while calling them a "******" are bad people. Every competitive act can be experienced with honor and dignity. The one's who forgo it to upset others lessen themselves before their insults do any impact on the ones they aim them at.
You do know that the most vile insults and threats come from bears right?
Nullbears in particular.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
385
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
No, but the ones shooting others while calling them a "******" are bad people. Every competitive act can be experienced with honor and dignity. The one's who forgo it to upset others lessen themselves before their insults do any impact on the ones they aim them at.
You do know that the most vile insults and threats come from bears right? One rather prominent example comes to mind If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
202
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
No, but the ones shooting others while calling them a "******" are bad people. Every competitive act can be experienced with honor and dignity. The one's who forgo it to upset others lessen themselves before their insults do any impact on the ones they aim them at.
You do know that the most vile insults and threats come from bears right?
Yea, which is an indication that they're placing an exaggerated value on to what should be meaningless. But the people who poke those demented "bears" with the hope of pushing them into a zone where they breakdown and withdraw into a lesser person who spews insults, are sadistic for wanting to cause misery at the expense of others. You know which people I'm talking about too.
The "tear collectors". If you understand that someone is attaching an irrational value onto video games, you shouldn't be making fun of him for having an mental illness. That's practically the same as bullying a ******** kid. It's not funny and there's no excuse for people who perform those actions. If you blow a guy up and he displays an irrational reaction, you shouldn't fan the flames. You should completely disengage from him.
But then again, people who take pleasure at other's suffering are mentally disabled as well, so they don't comprehend their actions are wrong. But I do, I understand it's wrong and I'll tell them so. I'll also tell the guy crying about his venture he's placing an irrational emphasis on the value of a pixel. |
Rastafarian God
51
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:18:00 -
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I'm not sure what Reddit is because I have never heard anything good about it and have not checked it out.
As for EVE, its been my experience that people are quiet and dont talk to people at all for the most part. It seems that talking in local is as taboo and yelling ***** in church. I see very little player interaction vocally. Even people I'm blue with in lowsec rarely bother so say anything even when its just us in system.
Mainly all I see is some random chasing me after I'm already gone on my other monitor that has my scout alt running on it. It's hilarious watching people scurry for nothing, or to accidentally attack a Battlecruiser in a Dessy.
When I do see this ass hatery the OP speaks of, although rare, I just ignore it. I dont know how many times people have thought they had me dead to rights and started pulling some of the crap the OP speaks of just for me to walk away with there jaws dropped.
Like said there is nothing wrong with the game itself, its just some of the people have taken things too seriously. There is nothing wrong with asking someone to sing, they do not have to sing, they choose too. If you dont want your voice all over the internet just sit there and tell them to go frell themselves. You're not catching me singing, ill die with my honor in tact tyvm.
It reminds me of how some people got so into WoW back when I played it. They where so hard core into it that it became there lives and they defined themselves by the game. EVE has some of those same people. You are not going to reason with those people. Yes there are some stupid crappy people in this game we would be better off without, but we can't force them to leave.
All you can really do is do your best not to put yourself into a situation that allows you to fall prey to people. Wich is sort of what this game is about. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10431
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:18:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
No, but the ones shooting others while calling them a "******" are bad people. Every competitive act can be experienced with honor and dignity. The one's who forgo it to upset others lessen themselves before their insults do any impact on the ones they aim them at.
You do know that the most vile insults and threats come from bears right? Nullbears in particular.
They tend to be silent. They are special snowflakes of a different nature. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
385
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:27:00 -
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This is all verry rich for the man that passed the "that little girl has no chance" comment.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
568
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:32:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:If you blow a guy up and he displays an irrational reaction, you shouldn't fan the flames. You should completely disengage from him.
That SHOULD word is an express elevator to nowhere. You will never, ever convince people of anything using that word. You can try reason, logic, ethics but the word should as a beginning makes it all your wishful opinion. In fact, as a free human, the quoted declaration of what i should do naturally makes me want to do the very opposite, unless i am older than 12, in which case i hear you, shrug, and do whatever i was going to do anyway.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Winchester Steele
383
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:33:00 -
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Marvin Shields wrote: *lots of moaning and crying.* REDDIT. *A bunch more whiny tears.*
OP, I don't know about the rest of the nonsense you are blathering about ( something something ebushido I assume, its always the same **** with your type) but I think I found the main problem with your post. I took the liberty of highlighting where you went wrong. You're welcome. ... |
fugazii
Slippery Penguin
20
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:36:00 -
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-I haven't read a single post in this thread other than ops.-
OP If you're old enough to remember the beginning of EVE then you know exactly what happened. The EVE community was never like this in the beginning. CAOD was a place of discussion on par with the serious discussion subsection of kugu, a place where Jade Constantine style posting was common. People cared about stats, people cared about rep, people cared about ****. But you described exactly what happened in your post, maybe unintentionally. Reddit, hulkageddon, mittani, ..communities joined, specifically something awful joined. Goons came and the landscape changed, the culture changed. That was their stated goal was to ruin the game, they've done this with other games. Reddit, dreddit, test, 4chan broski, pizza, they're just psyudo-copycat communities built off of what something awful is. It all dates to the beginning, to goons coming to the game. Anyone who played prior to this can easily point that out. That is the culture shift. |
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
568
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:36:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You should completely disengage from him OR try to help him legitimately, and not a facade of helping to illicit and further traumatize the broken individual..
The word should is still in your edit. Also: traumatize the broken individual
IT'S PIXELS FOR RICE CAKES! PIXELS!
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20124
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:39:00 -
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fugazii wrote:The EVE community was never like this in the beginning. CAOD was a place of discussion on par with the serious discussion subsection of kugu, a place where Jade Constantine style posting was common. What, you mean pimping (as in the sex trade) alts at your local trade hub? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
194
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:50:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:There's old stories about Pirate Codes and such. A bygone age where Pirates were Pirates and Griefers were persona non grata. I wasn't around for those days, so maybe it's all fanciful hindsight... but these days the lines are very very blurred. There's still some classy pirates* left though... so there is hope.
Being an honorable pirate isn't really about following the rules. It's about following your own rules, or the rules of a greater Piracy community that seeks to maintain its supply of victims. If you run victims out of the game, you find your waters sparsely populated. You have to give them a reason to keep playing and providing you a target.
I think James 315's New Order does that. They offer the chance to be 'protected' under their permit system. They don't want to exterminate high-sec miners. They just want to raid them, loot them, and keep them around for another go! So they tell the miners if they pay 10 million, they won't get shot again. There's always the immoral agent who shoots them anyways, but it gives the miners a sense that maybe things will be okay. It's still piracy, it's racketeering, it's extortion... but it's sustainable.
Maybe that's the word I'm looking for. Sustainable piracy. Sustainable griefing. Sustainable scamming. Making sure that you don't destroy your own prey population in the process of being a predator. A balanced ecosystem of Pirate and Carebear.
I think, in my time, I'd like to see more of the EVE playerbase get back to that mentality.
*- Vote Psychotic Monk for CSM9!
very good proposition i must say....
i agree with the OP too, the community here can be so toxic sometimes, the EVE community has to set a rule of conduct for the game, something that regulates how people deals with people here, its not a set of prohibitions but more of a universal agreement for certain matters.
for example:
-PvP against new players is forbidden unless both use rookie ships for it (only civilian modules):
if a veteran wants to engage a noob(im talking people with less than 1 day in the game that has just started the tutorials), at least use something that is to lvl with him, rookie ships are replacable so both of you wont have problems of isk later, but the target has to know about this and the engagement must be of course, a duel.
-NPC null sec regions free of Bubble presence:
this regions should be an entry lvl place for people who want to try the null sec life, people may not put bubbles here, leave that for sov driven regions
there could be other ideas but this is the most i have thought about, it doesnt hurt people, unless you think that you need a bubble in order to put a gatecamp anyways, people doesnt need them in low sec, and null sec gates dont have sentries so there's no excuse.....
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
323
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:53:00 -
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@Divine: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349408#post4349408
Missed your post.
Both of you would be within your rights to do so.
Whether I think your actions are "wrong" or not does not change that. You are both responsible for your actions, as I would be for whatever action I take in response to it. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10432
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:54:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:
very good proposition i must say....
i agree with the OP too, the community here can be so toxic sometimes, the EVE community has to set a rule of conduct for the game, something that regulates how people deals with people here, its not a set of prohibitions but more of a universal agreement for certain matters.
for example:
-PvP against new players is forbidden unless both use rookie ships for it (only civilian modules):
if a veteran wants to engage a noob(im talking people with less than 1 day in the game that has just started the tutorials), at least use something that is to lvl with him, rookie ships are replacable so both of you wont have problems of isk later, but the target has to know about this and the engagement must be of course, a duel.
-NPC null sec regions free of Bubble presence:
this regions should be an entry lvl place for people who want to try the null sec life, people may not put bubbles here, leave that for sov driven regions
there could be other ideas but this is the most i have thought about, it doesnt hurt people, unless you think that you need a bubble in order to put a gatecamp anyways, people doesnt need them in low sec, and null sec gates dont have sentries so there's no excuse.....
I just thought of two ways for vets to exploit your ideas. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
202
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Posted - 2014.03.15 21:58:00 -
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But I wouldn't. Because I wouldn't wish to hurt you. I understand you and your wife have made a committment to each other, and despite my desire to have a connection you possess, I would not let my own desire rank as more important than your own.
That's what makes me a better person. I would respect you to the point where the issue of conflict wouldn't even materialize to become an issue in the first place. Despite being different than you in being in another body experiencing my own experiences, I understand essentially we're just the same kind of existence, the universe contemplating itself.
Now, you do not have to feel the same way as I do. But I am allowed to classify you as a person who is self centered and only cares about yourself and only does actions that benefit yourself, and choose how I wish to interact with you because of that. I will not impede on your ability to be self centered, but I will choose to act upon the classification you've earned and treat you accordingly, how I see fit, in a manner that still respects your right to be what I consider a horrible self centered human being. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14129
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:
very good proposition i must say....
i agree with the OP too, the community here can be so toxic sometimes, the EVE community has to set a rule of conduct for the game, something that regulates how people deals with people here, its not a set of prohibitions but more of a universal agreement for certain matters.
for example:
-PvP against new players is forbidden unless both use rookie ships for it (only civilian modules):
if a veteran wants to engage a noob(im talking people with less than 1 day in the game that has just started the tutorials), at least use something that is to lvl with him, rookie ships are replacable so both of you wont have problems of isk later, but the target has to know about this and the engagement must be of course, a duel.
-NPC null sec regions free of Bubble presence:
this regions should be an entry lvl place for people who want to try the null sec life, people may not put bubbles here, leave that for sov driven regions
there could be other ideas but this is the most i have thought about, it doesnt hurt people, unless you think that you need a bubble in order to put a gatecamp anyways, people doesnt need them in low sec, and null sec gates dont have sentries so there's no excuse.....
I just thought of two ways for vets to exploit your ideas.
So obvious it's practically a law.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1503
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:05:00 -
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Anyone that truly gets upset by anything that happens in this GAME, should immediately see a good shrink. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
323
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:06:00 -
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@ Divine:
Again you demonstrate you are a dilettante and a hack when it comes to matters of ethics and morality. Juvenile, frankly.
By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.
I'm sorry, kid. But you don't understand of what you speak.
Come back when you've read some Nietzsche, Plato, Sartre, Rand or infact when you've read the works of even one actual philosopher on the matters of ethics.
Discussing these matters with you reminds me of nothing so much as discussing with some stoned teenage mall rat emo who has not yet psychologically or socially matured to the level where he understands what personal responsibility is. |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
43
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:09:00 -
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Most of us play Eve because its hard. The threat of constantly being blown up and having to take risks is what makes this game unique. Every time you un dock you make a calculated risk.
I do worry about new players quitting though, isn't their some rule about not ganking people in the starter systems? I have on many occasion after blowing someone up and realizing they are less than a month old, contracting them back their loot, sending some ISK and offering advice. |
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Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
203
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:15:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:@ Divine:
Again you demonstrate you are a dilettante and a hack when it comes to matters of ethics and morality. Juvenile, frankly.
By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.
I'm sorry, kid. But you don't understand of what you speak.
Come back when you've read some Nietzsche, Plato, Sartre, Rand or infact when you've read the works of even one actual philosopher on the matters of ethics.
Discussing these matters with you reminds me of nothing so much as discussing with some stoned teenage mall rat emo who has not yet psychologically or socially matured to the level where he understands what personal responsibility is.
Again you demonstrate you are a dilettante and a hack when it comes to matters of ethics and morality. Juvenile and immature. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
323
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:16:00 -
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They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
But in your case, I just take it to further evidence the brain of a parrot that repeats things without understanding them. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
203
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:18:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
But in your case, I just take it to further evidence the brain of a parrot that repeats things without understanding them.
Which you chose to use my argument towards me, which was imitation on your part.
Thanks for the compliment. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
323
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:30:00 -
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That didn't make any sense. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
203
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:34:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:That didn't make any sense.
So you have a hard time understanding things. That makes sense considering your egotistical/selfish outlook on life. |
Marsha Mallow
128
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:37:00 -
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Both of you are bad people. Get out. - |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
325
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:37:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Which you chose to use my argument towards me, which was imitation on your part. Explain this to me.
The first part isn't even grammatically comprehensible. And what exactly did I imitate? |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
203
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:41:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.
Never mind your choosing to bring forth a conclusion you reached where emasculating someone and feeding his genitals to a dog is even a POSSIBLE suggestion worth considering, which you've proven you did by bringing it into the conversation of your own volition.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
84
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:43:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Which you chose to use my argument towards me, which was imitation on your part. Explain this to me. The first part isn't even grammatically comprehensible. And what exactly did I imitate?
He can't for it isn't English.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
325
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:45:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs. Never mind your choosing to bring forth a conclusion you reached where emasculating someone and feeding his genitals to a dog is even a POSSIBILITY worth considering, which you've proven you did by bringing it into the conversation of your own volition.
You are the one who brought into the conversation, of your own volition, the POSSIBILITY of screwing my wife.
Which by your logic, means you've just proven that you are someone who would screw another man's wife, because you actually considered it. As proven by your own words and including it into the scenario.
You failed again, kid. You really are not any good at this at all. You just aren't smart enough. |
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