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Leiliana Atruin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:20:00 -
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Hi and thank you for reading. The time has come for me to stop listening to myself and just do it. As a new player I have been unsure what to do, what to train and what to practice. People have been telling me that I should start, but more people have been telling me not to pvp because I will be 'owned'. I have reached a point where if I dont start to pvp soon I am going to quit. PvE all the time bores me and I havent logged on in the last week except to add items to my training que.
So if someone can have a look at my character skills and suggest a ship and loadout based on the skills I have right now I would appreciate it and you will quite likely be the person that makes me not quit.
Here is the link to my eveboard: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Leiliana_Atruin
I have 300mil isk to spend on ships |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
709
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:52:00 -
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your skills are not near perfect, but neither has hundreds of other newcomers and farmer alts in FW.
So i recommend to find those newcomers and farmers and killing them for starters. If you try to engage veterans like me you will get 'owned'. |
Leiliana Atruin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:52:00 -
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Ummm, to answer myself I think I should use the breacher for now. I have more missile skills than gunnery so I guess that is the way to go.
Thanks for reading and see you on the battlefield. Ill be the one exploding often :P |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2244
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:00:00 -
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Leiliana Atruin wrote:People have been telling me that I should start, but more people have been telling me not to pvp because I will be 'owned'.
ah the good ol' npc-corp effect.
join fw, but I would encourage you to join a player-fw corp asap.
Bad Messenger wrote:So i recommend to find those newcomers and farmers and killing them for starters. If you try to engage veterans like me you will get 'owned'. The counter to high-sp veterans is friends, which are not hard to come by in fw. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Leiliana Atruin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:12:00 -
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One more question if I may...
I realize this is situational and depends from person to person, but what side should I choose? I hope to enter FW and be soon so I can join a corp. On what side am I more likelly to get solo pvp and learning experiences? From what I read there is alot of politics happening and I just dont know enough what side I should join for the least amount of drama.
If anything I am slightly leaning towards Minmatar because it looks like they are on the losing side (if I look at the ingame FW signup screen). I was always a sucker for losing battles and the last stand. I am totally willing to put my ships and isk on the line to dedicate myself fighting for a side. |
Kaivar Lancer
Federal Defense Union
445
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:46:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:
So i recommend to find those newcomers and farmers and killing them for starters. If you try to engage veterans like me you will get 'owned'.
Naturally you will get 'owned' if said veterans bring 3 friends to the fight. |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
481
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Posted - 2014.03.14 18:42:00 -
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When I first joined EVE I was awstruck by a pvp corporation called Agony Unleashed.
I wanted to pvp with them to learn from them bu t mu low sp and age at the time made them reject my application.
While it was disheartening at the time; I made it a personal goal to be good enough to be accepted into a top notch pvp corp, namely Agony Unleashed.
It took me more than a year of pvp experience in Caldari FW before they were even willing to look at another application from me.
When I finally got accepted into Agony and word got around I was going to be made a core member a HUGE EVE personel milestone was reached. I made my self good enough (through a million losses to the gallente) to be accepted into a top notch pvp corp. And they made me even better at PVP.
My advise?
Dont give into the naysayers. You will die ALOT and maybe shoot for a PVP corp like Agony Unleashed. They will make you a sharp pvp pilot in a very short time. Although it may feel like school. It's worth it.
Enough Agony plugging though. Go out.. Die alot, learn from each engagement and before you know it. PVP becomes like a martial art, where you react in a fight more than think.
Proud Member of 'The HotPocket' Crew. What It's Like in Militia Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYm3ig7tak |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1571
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Posted - 2014.03.14 18:50:00 -
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Just crush it... |
Leiliana Atruin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.14 18:54:00 -
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lol. Awesome!
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
690
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Posted - 2014.03.14 20:20:00 -
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Leiliana Atruin wrote:One more question if I may...
I realize this is situational and depends from person to person, but what side should I choose? I hope to enter FW and be soon so I can join a corp. On what side am I more likelly to get solo pvp and learning experiences? From what I read there is alot of politics happening and I just dont know enough what side I should join for the least amount of drama.
If anything I am slightly leaning towards Minmatar because it looks like they are on the losing side (if I look at the ingame FW signup screen). I was always a sucker for losing battles and the last stand. I am totally willing to put my ships and isk on the line to dedicate myself fighting for a side.
You have too low SP right now to join my corp in Gallente. However, I would direct you to JUSTK's training corp, Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry. And like Stalking Mantis, perhaps one year from now, after millions of losses, you too will be accepted into a top notch pvp corp. And perhaps, they too, will make you better at PVP; teaching you how to fly HACs, inties, and recon like a pro. Until then, I look forward to shooting you in your missile boat ;)
List of recruiting corps from FW; http://www.factionwarfare.com/recruiting-corps/ High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
709
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Posted - 2014.03.14 22:47:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:
So i recommend to find those newcomers and farmers and killing them for starters. If you try to engage veterans like me you will get 'owned'.
Naturally you will get 'owned' if said veterans bring 3 friends to the fight.
Truth is that you already lost the fight against executioner and our joining to the fight did not change the outcome on any way.
You can sure say you lost it because we blobbed but if you really study logs you will find that your fit is not so good after all. |
Valatie
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2014.03.15 12:25:00 -
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From your skills, the breacher is probably the best ship for you. However, you're still at the beginning of your eve career skill wise. Try different ships and see what you like the feel of, then skill in that direction.
It will take longer for you to learn how to pvp than for you to train the skills for your preferred ship, so it's never too early to start. You will explode over and over and over again. This is good. I don't consider myself competent at flying a specific ship unless I've lost at least ten of them, and then there's all the general knowledge and expertise you'll need to survive regardless of the ship you fly.
As for joining a particular faction, I don't know much about the Caldari/Gallente front but the Amarr/Minmatar warzone is very swingy. One side will win for a while, then it swings to the other. Watch the front for long enough and it's like clockwork. When you do join a side, try to get into a player FW corporation as soon as possible, they'll help you with fitting and strategy.
As a sometimes member of the Amarr militia, we're better than the Minnies. Just sayin'.
I roam the Amarr / Minmatar front a lot, have good success solo, and occasionally take promising newbies out for a spin -- so if you think that what you'd learn is worth the risk of trusting an evil pirate, feel free to contact me in game. |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Neutral in Local.
238
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Posted - 2014.03.15 13:04:00 -
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lol'd. Then had to like for the solid link at the end. Arma Purgatorium - Once for the State, Now for the King Lowsec life is the only life for me o9
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
824
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Posted - 2014.03.15 16:55:00 -
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try and get cpu management and power grid management to 5 asap as fitting ships with less sucks. weapons upgrade 4 for T2 damage mods. (advanced weapons upgrades to 4 is also important but you have more important tuff to train first) get your cap skills both to 4. train thermodynamics asap (overheating modules to make them work better for short bursts at the cost of damaging them)
then you need to pick guns or missiles. For pvp on a frig hull missiles are fine as you get into bigger ships missiles become les fine until you reach the lolphoenix. whichever you pick get the support skills for that weapon platform to 4 asap.
As u have minmatar and gallente frig to 4 already your choices are breacher nice tank plus missiles slasher nice and fast with great tracking incursus strong armour tank tristan nice damage.
both races have very nice assault frigs, electronic attack frigs and interceptors. minmatar tend to shield tank and use mainly projectile turrets which are a nice weapon system as they use no cap (makes neuts a slightly less problem) and have selectable damage types. gallente use drones and/or hybrid turrets hybrids use cap and no selectable damage type but are otherwise excellant. blasters have amazing dps and rails have amazing range. Drones are both a strength and a weakness. they tend to apply damage fairly well but can be shot down leaving you with no damage. Minmatar and gallente are very very popular ships for pvp.
The MOST important thing is to find a decent FW corp that will help train you in eve pvp which is much harder than it seems. FW can be very profitable and is a good place for finding solo fights, small gangs and medium gang fights. Many corps will accept and train young players and are a good stepping stone to the "elite" corps or a place to stay and make friends. It i just over a year now since i found myself a small pvp training corp and moved to nullsec as a young player. It was frustrating at first as everything you hear is "train this train that". However the naysayers were wrong and getting into pvp early transformed eve for me. I am glad i spent the time researching corps as i have discovered so many of them suck. don't worry about which faction to fight for it is more important to find a good corp.
Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Chancey Pants
Flying With Animals Animal Farms
19
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Posted - 2014.03.15 19:50:00 -
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You can use more missile weapon systems but your gunnery support skills are slightly better. So I would go with projectiles or hybrids. Seeing as how your shield skills are better you would probably have better results in the slasher or rifter. However as someone has already said trying a few different things to see what you like then skilling to max your potential in a specific ship or fit.
Honestly at this point though having the goal to win every fight would be setting yourself up for failure. So I would recommend perfecting your piloting in basic tactics. Learn how to tackle few plexers, learn how to break a tackle when you have bit more than you can chew, and learn how to gather Intel before ever even engaging a target.
One of the biggest parts of winning a fight is knowing what you are getting into before the fight even begins. Things like knowing what you can expect to win against is more important than what skills you have. Knowing how an opponent could possible be fit and then verifying this by looking at the ship are ways to setup yourself up for a win.
The main though is don't get discouraged. Do some research find a knowledable group that you fit in with and enjoy flying with. |
Dan Carter Murray
528
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Posted - 2014.03.15 20:03:00 -
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Leiliana Atruin wrote:Hi and thank you for reading. The time has come for me to stop listening to myself and just do it. As a new player I have been unsure what to do, what to train and what to practice. People have been telling me that I should start, but more people have been telling me not to pvp because I will be 'owned'. I have reached a point where if I dont start to pvp soon I am going to quit. PvE all the time bores me and I havent logged on in the last week except to add items to my training que. So if someone can have a look at my character skills and suggest a ship and loadout based on the skills I have right now I would appreciate it and you will quite likely be the person that makes me not quit. Here is the link to my eveboard: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Leiliana_AtruinI have 300mil isk to spend on ships
if you have 300 mil isk to spend on ships i would personally:
put 150 mil into cheap frigates (5-7mil isk fits total including hull) put 70 mil into destroyers (10-15mil isk fits total including hull)
save 80 mil isk for later.
as for the frigate to fly:
choose what you like to fly.
each race has a little niche. just figure out what you're into.
http://mfi.re/?j7ldoco 50GB free space @ MediaFire.com |
Kaerf Arkanghel
Lusitan Initiative
16
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Posted - 2014.03.16 12:36:00 -
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i am a newb too, just more than 2M sp atm.
FW is awesome, you just need to find a good, fun, ass-kicking corp., don't be scared to die and alot of preparation (memorizing the FW systems, book marking each system for "safe", "safe undocks", etc)
Just Add Water |
Plato Forko
Of Questionable Lineage
45
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:00:00 -
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Leiliana Atruin wrote:Hi and thank you for reading. The time has come for me to stop listening to myself and just do it. As a new player I have been unsure what to do, what to train and what to practice. People have been telling me that I should start, but more people have been telling me not to pvp because I will be 'owned'. I have reached a point where if I dont start to pvp soon I am going to quit. PvE all the time bores me and I havent logged on in the last week except to add items to my training que. So if someone can have a look at my character skills and suggest a ship and loadout based on the skills I have right now I would appreciate it and you will quite likely be the person that makes me not quit. Here is the link to my eveboard: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Leiliana_AtruinI have 300mil isk to spend on ships
My terribad blog where I QQ and rage about Amarr FW |
Almiel
The Mjolnir Bloc
12
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Posted - 2014.03.17 12:15:00 -
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You can fly frigs and tackle, you'll be an asset to any FW corp. Join a player corp for the friends and good advice you'll get, get into fleets to learn the basics. Learn from the many FC's you'll end up flying with, each will have a slightly different perspective on how to best deal with enemies and use it toward building your own pvp knowledge base. When you get to this point and get away after a dozen kills in fleet flying your ass off, you're doing it right.
Oh, and get into a corp/alliance with a good SRP (ship replacement policy) and keep your 300m in your wallet. At the frig level, all pvp can be free for you in the right corp.
GL finding a corp and hope to either see you in our fleets or being able to shoot you in an enemy fleet soon |
Leiliana Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:29:00 -
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Thank you everyone for your valuable input and advice. You have given me much to think of! |
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Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
111
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Posted - 2014.03.18 09:44:00 -
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Leiliana Atruin wrote:People have been telling me that I should start, but more people have been telling me not to pvp because I will be 'owned'. I
Dont listen to these kind of idiots.
Prolly the same kind of people that run lvl4 missions 23/7 and are scared of everything that does not have "Gurista" infront of its name.
Even in a frigate you can be usefull
or just look at this ;) http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/11/apr/prop.jpg
Find a good corp with a helpfull community. You will prolly have to wander around for a bit.
There are plenty of different PVP Styles in EVE.
FW, Piracy, Empire Mercs, Null Sec (BLOC) Warfare and a lot of skirmish PVP.
Not to mention Wormholers as well :)
Dont try to fly anything super expensive you cannot even handle / fit properly . You will be useless and there will be a lot of people making fun of your ship losses.
Go with Tackle frigates and work yourself up to cruisers and above.
Find a corp that can provide you with tips on how to fly these ships , properly fit them and maybe even provide the ship hulls.
If you just drop into some random FW corp, chances are you will be frustrated and that you will hate it.
Gallente FW has a few very good PVP corps. I dont know how "newbie friendly" they are but other than that :
EVE University Red vs. Blue Brave Newbies and Goonswarm Federation
are perfect places to go.
As a CFC member I can tell you that Goons will provide you plenty of ISK. Help and free ship hulls and will help you out with weekly newbie training fleets and skillplans.
I dont want to spam you with "propaganda" before all the n3 lurkers come at me :p but you should give it a try.
Dont get frustrated if you cannot find a PVP style / Corp that suits you right away. Stick with cheap but useful ships like Ewar Cruisers and Tackle frigs until you have enough skills to fly everything else. As I mentioned before. Wander around a bit and try to find a group of people you like. With good friends everything in this game can be fun.
Hope I could help you out a bit |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
253
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:48:00 -
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FW is fine and all. But it is by no means the only way for new or low SP toons to PvP.
To be honest, what matters is who you fly with. Just joining FW will land you in a mostly empty militia chat with tons of people doing nothing but waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to FC a fleet. If you're willing to lead, others will follow. But if you are looking for leaders, they are found in dedicated player owned corps, not militia.
Like anything in Eve, if you want to do something, you are best off committing to it and finding others that are as well. This means joining a corp that does whatever content you are interested in. Doesn't really matter if that is FW, null sec, Incursions, etc....honestly, targeting someone and blowing them up is pretty similar regardless of where you do it.
Anything that will get you blown up with regularity will end up becoming a very expensive habit. This makes many of the large null sec alliances quite attractive. Most have piles of isk to outfit new players with fast tackle ships for free, offer skill books for free, run dedicated training fleets, and of course...offer an SRP.
Most null alliances are also very 'top heavy' with high SP players that want to fly their shiny T3's rather than a Sabre. New players are not looked down upon, but rather, free up high SP toons to fly the big/shiny ships. It works both ways- we'd rather new players stick with small hulls they are more highly skilled in than just whatever is the biggest thing they can barely undock. Likewise- if I have to leave my battleship to fly a Dictor, that's a bunch of firepower lost to fly a ship a player with a month or so in Eve can fly.
Lastly, null sec has a slight edge over low sec for small hull ships. 1) The lack of gate/station guns is an immediate boon to people in small hulls. I was a pirate in low sec for awhile, and always felt like "real" PvP took place in bigger ships than I was flying, since I was so limited in where I could force a fight.
2) Null sec allows the use of both Bombs, and Bubbles. The ships that launch these weapons are small hulls, easily trained by new players. Additionally, Ceptors are suddenly extremely survivable in null sec- meaning that cheap frigate PvP is incredibly common in null sec right now. Literally, the best ships for low SP toons looking to get into PvP to fly- are exactly the ones with Null Sec-specific mechanics.
I have said for years here- train to fly a Dictor. It takes no amount of time and virtually no fleet in null sec will undock without them. If you are a care bear and don't want to dedicate to PvP, but want to live in null and reap the rewards-- fly a Dictor and no one will ever care if you fly anything else in a PvP fleet. If you even have to buy replacement Dictors, your corp/alliance is doing it wrong. |
Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
199
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:45:00 -
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Luwc wrote: "newbie friendly"
and Goonswarm Federation
are perfect places to go.
Wait, what? This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
151
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:14:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:You have too low SP right now to join my corp in Gallente. However, I would direct you to JUSTK's training corp, Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry. And like Stalking Mantis, perhaps one year from now, after millions of losses, you too will be accepted into a top notch pvp corp. /
This is exactly what I did. I did with JustK what that guy did with Agony Unleashed. |
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