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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:21:00 -
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Does anyone know what CCP's fifth main project is ?
Source: http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf
"The Company completed a reorganization in 2013, which results in a greater focus and an increased independence of each of our FIVE main projects"
So far we only know about:
- EvE online
- Dust 514
- Eve Valkyrie
- World of Darkness
- ?????????????? Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:23:00 -
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WiS? NeX?
edit: chinese server? WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
286
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:27:00 -
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did you really read all that? I'm so lazy I struggled to finish reading your OP |
Thead Enco
Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn
99
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:27:00 -
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- "Re-balancing"
"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king."
Tywin Lannister-á |
Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
88
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:33:00 -
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- Toy rifter dogfights |
stoicfaux
4218
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:34:00 -
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Quote:In game purchases not yet consumed: 2,108,158. I do believe that those are outstanding PLEX. So at $20 USD, that is ~100,00 PLEX.
See "3.7.2 In-game currency" for that 2 million is probably PLEX.
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
150
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:34:00 -
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You can see a $ 40 million increase in Research and Development cost since the 1st January 2013
So what are they making next to dust, valkyrie, wod ?
I can't imagine they would put that amount of many in their so far failed Carbon technology, they even got Dust514 to run on the Unreal engine because of what we saw during the launch on Incarna.
(also: the collector edition sold really well, shame about the unfair pre-order market price up though) Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1351
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:36:00 -
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looking at this list: 1) Eve: spreadsheets in space 2) Dust: FPS 3) WoD: What is the style of this game? Look at my butt? 4) Vakyrie: spaceship arcade
So atm we have 2 spaceship games, 2 ground games. 2 games with 'first person' control (Dust + Valkyrie), and 2 with 'look at my butt' (Eve + WoD)
So what do we NEED? 5) something about real submarines? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
150
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:50:00 -
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OMG seeing as CCP's Royalties and Licenses more then doubled and the Research cost contribute mostly to the years loss, it could be something TV network related.
We already seen a MMO go towards a tv network: defiance with former CCP Oveur (Nathan Richardsson) going to Trion to work on that. Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
667
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:54:00 -
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Didn't they talk about doing stuff for mobile devices? Whatever mobile means today, looking at my tablet which handles the EVE client just fine at minimal settings. Only thing missing is touch support. Remove insurance. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14139
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:56:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Quote:In game purchases not yet consumed: 2,108,158. I do believe that those are outstanding PLEX. So at $20 USD, that is ~100,00 PLEX. See "3.7.2 In-game currency" for that 2 million probably being PLEX.
Hm well if they're counting AUR as well then you gotta remember the giant 2011 giveaway
1 Kings 12:11
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joyous the
Slippery Penguin
47
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:57:00 -
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Building monuments to false gods on distant islands |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:02:00 -
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Project 5: taking over the world! Are you pondering what I'm pondering? See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
stoicfaux
4218
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:05:00 -
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Project #5 is the comic?
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
150
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:06:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Didn't they talk about doing stuff for mobile devices? Whatever mobile means today, looking at my tablet which handles the EVE client just fine at minimal settings. Only thing missing is touch support.
This could maybe be it to, that little nvidia tegra3 display on stage during fanfest a few years back was impressive, plus CCP Unifex (Jon Lander) is researching mobile developments. Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
450
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:18:00 -
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WoD will likely crash and burn. |
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
150
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:26:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:WoD will likely crash and burn.
They already pulled the rug from underneath it. so it's is definitely something else.
source: http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/12/11/layoffs-at-ccps-atlanta-office-confirmed-world-of-darkness-dev/ Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Doireen Kaundur
246
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:34:00 -
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It would be interesting if WIS became a second full game like Second Life, associated with EVE like DUST. It would allow for complete use of PVE, PVP and the like in a WOW-like environment. Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1484
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:34:00 -
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They did it to boost creativity. Hilmar himself said that. Apparently big teams were getting too comfy and comfy devs is last thing CCP needs. CBA to look for a linky, I'm sure somebody will oblige. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1704
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:47:00 -
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A Fifth....5th project?
Really....REALLY!
*Sigh* New player experience, more highsec PvE missions, casual play, balance, counters to AFK cloaking, expanding the NEX store, and Power Projection.
Azami Nevinyrall for CSM9! |
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stoicfaux
4218
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Posted - 2014.03.16 23:02:00 -
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"Ancillary" is the 5th project? http://www.ccpgames.com/en/products/ancillary
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1074
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Posted - 2014.03.16 23:28:00 -
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I would just build a monolith from a cast black glass and punch a hole in it "eve gate". Sentient Drone: **y d* y*u h*** *s *** Bagrat Skalski: NEXUS CHIP! NOW! |
Felicity Love
Margaret Thatcher's Miners
1590
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Posted - 2014.03.17 00:08:00 -
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It's okay... really... I have an uncle who's like this... always starting "projects" and NEVER finishing the multiple other projects that now bear the charitable euphemism of "Works In Progress"...
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Ralen Zateki
Nexis. League of Infamy
152
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Posted - 2014.03.17 00:19:00 -
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Space Muppets.
Thoughts? |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2014.03.17 01:22:00 -
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Ralen Zateki wrote:Space Muppets.
Thoughts?
Space Hamsters
I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Doireen Kaundur
252
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Posted - 2014.03.17 01:55:00 -
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Ralen Zateki wrote:Space Muppets.
Thoughts?
Pigs In Spaaaace! Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1310
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:36:00 -
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"Mobile Division" Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2742
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:47:00 -
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It's a 4x game EVE Civ that directly ties in and replaces sovereignty mechanics and PI. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Zander Kumamato
Madz Legion Madz Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:56:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:It would be interesting if WIS became a second full game like Second Life, associated with EVE like DUST. It would allow for complete use of PVE, PVP and the like in a WOW-like environment.
This way we can walk in station then shuttle planet side to do whatever there in things like pre created cities from the chronicles and in player made things on non dust related districts. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1865
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:13:00 -
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Zander Kumamato wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:It would be interesting if WIS became a second full game like Second Life, associated with EVE like DUST. It would allow for complete use of PVE, PVP and the like in a WOW-like environment. This way we can walk in station then shuttle planet side to do whatever there in things like pre created cities from the chronicles and in player made things on non dust related districts. At this point EvE would become epic. Pity they have such small goals. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
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Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
457
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:19:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Zander Kumamato wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:It would be interesting if WIS became a second full game like Second Life, associated with EVE like DUST. It would allow for complete use of PVE, PVP and the like in a WOW-like environment. This way we can walk in station then shuttle planet side to do whatever there in things like pre created cities from the chronicles and in player made things on non dust related districts. At this point EvE would become epic. Pity they have such small goals.
What really needs to happen, is WiS needs to be the "glue" that lets all their games interact. DUST mercs, EVE capsuleers, and Valkyrie pilots all walking around the same stations. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1357
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Posted - 2014.03.17 07:24:00 -
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Step one laugh in the face of eve subscribers.
step two spend said sub money on stupid ****
step three, beg eve players not to leave, buy the CEO a new wow shaped swimming pool, pretend everythings cool and eve sub is worth it
step 4 pretend some of the eve sub/plex money is being spent on eve
step 5 spend eve sub money on more stupid worthless adventures
step 6 beg eve community not to leave and spend 5% on eve online. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Adrie Atticus
Unicorn Love Hurts
34
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Posted - 2014.03.17 11:19:00 -
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Freelancer117 wrote:OMG seeing as CCP's Royalties and Licenses more then doubled and the Research cost contribute mostly to the years loss, it could be something TV network related.We already seen a MMO go towards a tv network: defiance with former CCP Oveur (Nathan Richardsson) going to Trion to work on that.
Defiance tanked so badly that I'd be ashamed to have it in my CV. It even dropped their other MMO into F2P just to cover the losses. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1206
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Posted - 2014.03.17 11:46:00 -
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Don't forget the secret space program they are working on. CCP guard wants to be the first man on Mars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn-ndmuej-c This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Red Teufel
Mafia Redux Phobia.
356
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Posted - 2014.03.17 12:13:00 -
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They coding all the new stuff for stargates that we will build and destroy. |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
633
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Posted - 2014.03.17 12:25:00 -
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Incarna.......again I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Bael Malefic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.03.17 12:29:00 -
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That statement makes me glad I am not a CCP shareholder. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
388
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Posted - 2014.03.17 12:32:00 -
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im reasonably certain i heard John Lasseter's name dropped @ fanfest last year... If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Bael Malefic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.03.17 12:35:00 -
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Bael Malefic wrote:That statement makes me glad I am not a CCP shareholder.
That said...I *really* hope that big R&D cost that hammered the balance sheet for 2013 was for Valkyrie...
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
242
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Posted - 2014.03.17 13:22:00 -
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Quote:CCP is committed to expanding it's current and future brands across various media formats and other branded products. Several examples of that can be seen in the EVE Store.
Quote:CCP is committed to expanding it's current and future brand
Quote:expanding it's current and future brand
Quote:expanding it is current and future brand
really CCP
your English isn't THAT bad Core Skills | EVE Music |
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SpaceSaft
Sub Par. Beacon Light Alliance
50
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Posted - 2014.03.17 13:26:00 -
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Is it just me or is that the sound of popcorn popping? I'll sit here and wait until i's ready and then I will see if what's worth watching at that time... Besides that I also hold the opinion that CCP should make a PC version for Dust 514. |
Bronden Neopatus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.03.17 14:29:00 -
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Total comprehensive (loss) income for the period (21,348,050)
Does that mean that CCP lost 21 million dollars in 2013? Ouch! |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
272
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Posted - 2014.03.17 14:34:00 -
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INSIDER KNOWLEDGE!
Its a CCP Guard simulator, with a bespoke CCP Guard head shaped Oculus RIft HD thrown in to maximise the authenticity of being CCP Guard.
Events include:
- Bounty Hunting
- Hiding from Hilmar
- Eating Punktaris' cakes and totally trying to blame it on the intern.
And even more crazy adventures! Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1707
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Posted - 2014.03.17 14:40:00 -
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The 5th project is nerfing highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
stoicfaux
4221
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Posted - 2014.03.17 14:52:00 -
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Bronden Neopatus wrote:Total comprehensive (loss) income for the period (21,348,050)Does that mean that CCP lost 21 million dollars in 2013? Ouch! Yes, but, look at the R&D numbers between 2012 and 2013. CCP is investing in the Future(tm) instead of relying on a 10+ year old niche MMO to keep paying the bills.
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Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:06:00 -
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Come on...
The fifth project is the Danger Game.
They rereleased it with the anniversary box, and i have heard rumors they plan to do something like a computer game with it. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4341
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:28:00 -
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I'm telling you, 5th project is Viking space lasers, fusion, or something else to achieve world domination. EVE and the other projects are just a front. Why else would the CIA/NSA/Goons have such a a presence here? Just you wait, this thread will be locked just to cover it up! See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1055
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:29:00 -
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Freelancer117 wrote:I can't imagine they would put that amount of money in their so far failed Carbon technology, they even got Dust514 to run on the Unreal engine because of what we saw during the launch on Incarna.
The PS3 is idiosyncratic, and an extremely difficult platform to code for, and it wasn't exactly going to be new by the time DUST launched. Going with a third-party engine was a no-brainer. With the PS4 looking a lot more like a conventional PC, we'll see if they stick with Unreal. If they do, it will make the transition ro PS4 effortless. If they don't, they don't have to pay licensing fees, and they have a great deal more control over the game.
The fifth thing is Jon Lander's mobile apps division. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Azrin Stella Oerndotte
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:45:00 -
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CCP really need to expand beyond EVE and mmos in general, its an unstable market and I would love to see what they would make.
It would also give the developers something else to work on, EVE for too long can't be healthy. |
RaZZZZia
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
10
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:56:00 -
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The lack of the most simplest business knowledge in this thread is astonishing.
Arline Kley wrote:INSIDER KNOWLEDGE!Its a CCP Guard simulator, with a bespoke CCP Guard head shaped Oculus RIft HD thrown in to maximise the authenticity of being CCP Guard. Events include:
- Bounty Hunting
- Hiding from Hilmar
- Eating Punktaris' cakes and totally trying to blame it on the intern.
And even more crazy adventures!
well make it a GM simulator and it would fly.
like Papers, Please for Petitions. same priciples but you got to look out for quick resolutions of stuck petitions, RMTers, Whiners, Harassment and wether to eat cold noodles or chicken sandwiches.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4342
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:02:00 -
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How do you explain so much money being spent on Dust and it coming out the way it did? You really believe the main operation is making video games? Ha!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/12/19/iraq_buys_4000_playstation_2s/
http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/09/military-purchases-2200-ps3s/
Like I said earlier, just you watch. Like the US military covering up UFO's, this thread will disappear.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
stoicfaux
4229
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:01:00 -
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Not to imply that Erotica 1 is right, but: 1. Create a distributed super-computer by creating an MMO that encourages people to leave the client running, e.g afk cloaking. 2. ??? 3. Conquer the world!
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Arduemont
The State of War. Vendetta Mercenary Group
3132
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:07:00 -
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Could be their mobile app, or PSP Dust thing they mentioned. Either way, it's stupid that they're splitting their resources so many ways. Eve has stabilized, but isn't really growing, Dust is a steaming pile, and the other two we know of aren't released. Where is their money coming from?
Eve, obviously. Eve is carrying the cost of development for 5 projects now? What is wrong with you people? Can anybody at CCP justify this stupidity? I mean ffs. At least wait until Dust is carrying it's own bloody weight, or wait until one of your other games is released. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10918
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:20:00 -
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5) Poorly acted Icelandic soap operas.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
725
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:26:00 -
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I am reading that financial statement correctly and seeing a loss of 21 million last year for CCP? Not today spaghetti. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
267
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:38:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:I am reading that financial statement correctly and seeing a loss of 21 million last year for CCP?
Yes, but be sure to look at the rest of the document.
Dropping millions into marketing and R&D (from cash you already had on hand) isn't all that bad of a move if you like risks :) |
Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
154
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:43:00 -
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Dust 515, clearly.
Sources say it may be even better than 514! This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
201
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:09:00 -
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Isn't Hilmar trying to get an EvE TV show?
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Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
1058
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:33:00 -
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They're designing a new Digital BS Generator. They're taking their real world experiences with the EVE player base and transferring it into an app any corporation can use to obfuscate, procrastinate and generally apply plausible deniability to any commercial enterprise! We await the release with baited breath! I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
460
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:02:00 -
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Invisusira wrote:Quote:expanding it's current and future brands Quote:expanding it is current and future brands really CCP your English isn't THAT bad
They used "it's" correctly there. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2352
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:04:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Invisusira wrote:Quote:expanding it's current and future brands Quote:expanding it is current and future brands really CCP your English isn't THAT bad They used "it's" correctly there.
No, they didn't.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4351
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:06:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Not to imply that Erotica 1 is right, but: 1. Create a distributed super-computer by creating an MMO that encourages people to leave the client running, e.g afk cloaking. 2. ??? 3. Conquer the world!
Why do you think they aren't fixing the memory leaks?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326106
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
622
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:07:00 -
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I'm almost certain it's their mobile project. They have a mobile team and we have almost no news on what they are doing. Eve mobile might be the 5th project, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have a bigger mobile project underway. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
252
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:07:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Could be their mobile app, or PSP Dust thing they mentioned. Either way, it's stupid that they're splitting their resources so many ways. Eve has stabilized, but isn't really growing, Dust is a steaming pile, and the other two we know of aren't released. Where is their money coming from?
Eve, obviously. Eve is carrying the cost of development for 5 projects now? What is wrong with you people? Can anybody at CCP justify this stupidity? I mean ffs. At least wait until Dust is carrying it's own bloody weight, or wait until one of your other games is released.
Actually that's not how it works. They add more projects because you need to diversify. You can not, as a game company, relay soley on a single game. This is how companies grow. They add more products and branch out. The money comes form eve yes, but then it also comes from merch, licensing, and whatever white-wolf cash flows in too. So basicly what you are saying is "Hey ford, your model A is good enough, no need to make anything else thanks." or "hey apple, your computers are great, no need to improve them or take some of your money to make new products" EvE is there main product, but if eve were to die tomorrow, so would CCP. CCP has made profit since 2007 (at least started making money), so if they saved a lot of it, they should have a good size nest egg to expand. Dust is not a failure yet, as you can look at the money and have no way of knowing if its from dust or what. They spent over 25m in RnD and Ads. Ad's was prolyl for Dust.
So we won't know if Dust was a failure for a few more years, because lets face it, new things can lose money. And i'm sure ccp has some budgeted for dust in case of a loss.
But back to my point, they need new products for new and more money to make more products and improve current ones. This is how business works.
There 5th is either mobile, or licensing. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2499
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:29:00 -
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I'm voting for a homeworld style RTS using eve assets. I'd never play this game again though. |
Real Serious PVPer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:40:00 -
[66] - Quote
More PVP hopefully. -áSerious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time. -áMUFC |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
338
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:06:00 -
[67] - Quote
Iam voteing for the TV series that they talked about doing. |
Rainbow Dash
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
93
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Posted - 2014.03.18 02:56:00 -
[68] - Quote
Well, they had one game that could be considered successful (Eve) One that flopped (Dust) One that is an abortion (WoD) and one that looks promising (Valkyrie)
Why would they start a 5th project? They're literally just burning money.
Unless the 5th project is recoding Eve from the ground up and making it multithreaded. That would be cool. |
Pew Terror
Green Associates TITANS.
134
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:01:00 -
[69] - Quote
EvE 2
*minds blown* |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2242
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:07:00 -
[70] - Quote
Well let's look at it like this.
1. EVE: Classic space MMORPG that continues to rise in popularity even after 10 years. 2. DUST: If it was not connected to EVE it would be a total flop. 3. World of Darkness: Does this even still exist? 4. EVE Valkyrie: Promising arcadey space fighter game. Should do really well if CCP learns from mistakes they made with DUST 5. The EVE Online TV show? Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9540
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:32:00 -
[71] - Quote
It'll be a forum-driven RTS replacement for PI called Complain & Conquer. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
IDGAD
The Scope Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:05:00 -
[72] - Quote
I'd love to see the fifth installment as the EVE TV show. That way they would not be wasting money on another game, and actually have something that could be out and complete MUCH sooner. I'm glad to see they slimmed down the WoD team and hopefully killed off twilight online (erm I mean WoD) so the money can better be invested in EVE, and in their new IP Valkyrie. |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
100
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:04:00 -
[73] - Quote
Ah, merchandising. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
166
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:06:00 -
[74] - Quote
Reason why VtM is so long in doing lies in it's tabletop RPG roots.
How are you going to do an interesting computer RPG from agame that is mainly based on social interaction and coming to terms with your cursed existence while longing to see the daylight for one last time ? But then again you can play Sabbat and "live like you were ment to" as suprime undead being among the flock of cows.
So technically making on MMORPG is easy but how you turn it into something that isn't a wow/EQ clone and keeps players interested is quite another thing. Oh and the we musn't forget the FTP crowd so it can't have subscriptions and if you release it as an FTP how large a whineage will start in EVE ?
But to stay on topic I would bet on 5) being incarna to have an actual multiplayer component and once they have networking code done right they can use that on VtM as well. |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:15:00 -
[75] - Quote
can they even afford another one? looks like they operated at a huge loss last year due to research and development. you cant sustain those loses for long. |
Arduemont
The State of War. Vendetta Mercenary Group
3135
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:34:00 -
[76] - Quote
DaReaper wrote:Arduemont wrote:Could be their mobile app, or PSP Dust thing they mentioned. Either way, it's stupid that they're splitting their resources so many ways. Eve has stabilized, but isn't really growing, Dust is a steaming pile, and the other two we know of aren't released. Where is their money coming from?
Eve, obviously. Eve is carrying the cost of development for 5 projects now? What is wrong with you people? Can anybody at CCP justify this stupidity? I mean ffs. At least wait until Dust is carrying it's own bloody weight, or wait until one of your other games is released. Actually that's not how it works. They add more projects because you need to diversify. You can not, as a game company, relay soley on a single game. This is how companies grow. They add more products and branch out. The money comes form eve yes, but then it also comes from merch, licensing, and whatever white-wolf cash flows in too. So basicly what you are saying is "Hey ford, your model A is good enough, no need to make anything else thanks." or "hey apple, your computers are great, no need to improve them or take some of your money to make new products" EvE is there main product, but if eve were to die tomorrow, so would CCP. CCP has made profit since 2007 (at least started making money), so if they saved a lot of it, they should have a good size nest egg to expand. Dust is not a failure yet, as you can look at the money and have no way of knowing if its from dust or what. They spent over 25m in RnD and Ads. Ad's was prolyl for Dust. So we won't know if Dust was a failure for a few more years, because lets face it, new things can lose money. And i'm sure ccp has some budgeted for dust in case of a loss. But back to my point, they need new products for new and more money to make more products and improve current ones. This is how business works. There 5th is either mobile, or licensing.
You misunderstand me. I am not suggesting that they shouldn't be making new games, but even the biggest games companies (EA, Blizzard, Bioware etc, so we're talking huge great companies, not CCP) only run one or two development projects at a time. That's sensible. Also, these companies make games that they don't maintain indefinitely, where-as CCP is saying they want all their games to be 'forever', like Eve.
So, CCP has Dust, which can\t possibly be pulling it's weight financially yet (and it's only going to get worse if it doesn't get ported to PS4 or PC), WoD which isn't done, Valkyrie which isn't done and a fifth project. And each of these games will come with maintenance development costs once their finished because of CCP's development ethos. All of these projects are being carried by Eve. What they should be doing is concentrating on getting ONE other project that carries it's weight and contributes enough to create a new project AFTER that one.
Otherwise this is a disaster waiting to happen. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
100
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Posted - 2014.03.18 10:22:00 -
[77] - Quote
Space Pandas Online |
Dominic karin
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
30
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Posted - 2014.03.18 11:04:00 -
[78] - Quote
That operating loss for the year explains the migrations to Riot, Jump ship before it's too late. Unless I'm misunderstanding the 22 Million number. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1074
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Posted - 2014.03.18 11:39:00 -
[79] - Quote
Danger Game and Danger Game In Space (EVE Online), were the best things they could think of, beside of that... MEH..
Or they will stick with the Danger Game altitude, or they will throw money into the gutter. Sentient Drone: **y d* y*u h*** *s *** Bagrat Skalski: NEXUS CHIP! NOW! |
Gregor Parud
305
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Posted - 2014.03.18 11:42:00 -
[80] - Quote
Pix Severus wrote:Invisusira wrote:Quote:expanding it's current and future brands Quote:expanding it is current and future brands really CCP your English isn't THAT bad They used "it's" correctly there.
A McDonald's employee?
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Grayland Aubaris
Ocellus Technology
36
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:53:00 -
[81] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Pix Severus wrote:Invisusira wrote:Quote:expanding it's current and future brands Quote:expanding it is current and future brands really CCP your English isn't THAT bad They used "it's" correctly there. No, they didn't.
Technically correct - but a bit nit-picky. "Its" without the apostrophe would be the correct usage in this case.
Difference between its and it's
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
254
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:54:00 -
[82] - Quote
Dominic karin wrote:That operating loss for the year explains the migrations to Riot, Jump ship before it's too late. Unless I'm misunderstanding the 22 Million number.
You are, it's in RnD, which means they either cut a large project they were working on and thus wrote it off, or they spent a lot of money working on a new project. You also have something like 18m in advertising, which is prolly for the commercial they made for Dust 514 and any ad's relationg to that. TBH that 22m 'loss' is not that troubling, if you see that ccp made 10m more over last year in game rev alone, so they are doing good, just over spent or cut something. |
Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:32:00 -
[83] - Quote
Isn't it something to do with mobile gaming? damn it is hard to delete my signature |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
72
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:21:00 -
[84] - Quote
The 5th project is EVE II with a multi threaded engine structure... |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3282
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:01:00 -
[85] - Quote
The Danger Game |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2893
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:16:00 -
[86] - Quote
CSM: The Massively Multiplayer Political Election Simulator |
Qalix
Long Jump.
174
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:33:00 -
[87] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Project 5: taking over the world! Are you pondering what I'm pondering? "I think so, Brain, but how will we get a pair of Abe Vigoda's pants?" |
Thead Enco
Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn
103
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:03:00 -
[88] - Quote
DaReaper wrote:Dominic karin wrote:That operating loss for the year explains the migrations to Riot, Jump ship before it's too late. Unless I'm misunderstanding the 22 Million number. You are, it's in RnD, which means they either cut a large project they were working on and thus wrote it off, or they spent a lot of money working on a new project. You also have something like 18m in advertising, which is prolly for the commercial they made for Dust 514 and any ad's relationg to that. TBH that 22m 'loss' is not that troubling, if you see that ccp made 10m more over last year in game rev alone, so they are doing good, just over spent or cut something.
From other reporting that funding was derived from "Bank loans" which in any case if they don't want "Gordon Gekko" walking into their board room CCP will have to pay back those loans.
"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king."
Tywin Lannister-á |
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
153
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:45:00 -
[89] - Quote
I really hope this budget goes towards 2 main goals;
- EvE 2.0 where CCPgames gets rid of all the old code and will within a few years time relaunch the game, so that future iterations to the game will not be so time and resource consuming.
"Refactoring" old code to redo/update POS 2.0, Corp + Alliance/Bloc management, SOV 3.0, new pve content, Drone ui, Planetary Interaction 2.0, Ring Mining (?) etc is extremely costly.
- Dust514 for the PC, with unreal 4 engine maybe and have it superbly intergrated with EvE 2.0 and Ambulation, to draw in new players (dare I say more female gamers) and to get a great retention rate for them all.
To quote Chris Roberts: "The full game that I want to build that was in my head was always like $20 million ... or 21 or 22. It's in that range"
So I hope a up to $40 million R&D budget for EvE 2.0 and Dust514 for PC could bring this about. Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Clansworth
Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels
66
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:47:00 -
[90] - Quote
So, in order to close out this old thread with an answer, it seems the '5th project' was EVE: Legion, the PC based shooter. That said, it's hard to call it a '5th project' when they've since axed WoD, and Legion is the natural replacement for DUST 514 as it's player base starts moving away from the PS3. |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5575
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:51:00 -
[91] - Quote
Somebody please get the lights.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
431
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Posted - 2014.05.10 17:02:00 -
[92] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Somebody please get the lights.
I just went through 5 pages looking for your reply betting with myself which bot emoticon you'll use.
I fail violated for no bot in your reply. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5575
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Posted - 2014.05.10 17:09:00 -
[93] - Quote
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Somebody please get the lights.
I just went through 5 pages looking for your reply betting with myself which bot emoticon you'll use. I fail violated for no bot in your reply.
I will create a feature request for dealing with resolved threads.
Please accept this small amusing image as a consolation for your loss.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
398
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Posted - 2014.05.10 18:27:00 -
[94] - Quote
Number 5: Microbrewery in the basement at CCP. EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1506
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Posted - 2014.05.10 19:15:00 -
[95] - Quote
5. Legion, it's something different then DUST When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
388
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Posted - 2014.05.10 19:22:00 -
[96] - Quote
WiS? You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1111
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Posted - 2014.05.10 19:36:00 -
[97] - Quote
Posting in the first ever legit "Eve is Dying" thread.
Ant to top it off its stealth.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
1784
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Posted - 2014.05.10 19:39:00 -
[98] - Quote
Lady Zarrina wrote:Isn't it something to do with mobile gaming?
I think the "mobile" guy left, didn't he ? Jon Landers ?
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1394
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:07:00 -
[99] - Quote
joyous the wrote:Building monuments to false gods on distant islands
they live there so it's hardly distant to ccp.
capsular pilots are not false gods, we're demi gods. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1394
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:08:00 -
[100] - Quote
I think it's the eve online TV series. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
202
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:18:00 -
[101] - Quote
The Fifth Project is Project Legion.
This concludes this part of the investigation of the CCPgames 2013 financial statement Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:27:00 -
[102] - Quote
Ewww weekend posters near by.. be aware! |
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