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Farsiris Arbosa
StarFleet Central Command
5
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Posted - 2014.03.17 17:34:00 -
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0 kills. 46 losses. That's what I have after 2, going on 3, months of playing. My legacy is crap and the peak amount of ISK I've EVER had in my wallet was 63 mil. Yeah. Hold the applause.
It's not my level of exposure to the game, because in the short amount of time I've been here I've had more vets help me than any other newbie I've ever known. I've probably had more donated to me than I have earned on my own, and I return nearly everything I've been given. I've yet to meet a single player as bad as me. Everyr43 person I've ever met has earned more in their first month than I have in my life. And don't tell me it's some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy of self-esteem either, because up until a couple weeks ago I was stupid enough to think that I was some sort of EVE savant in training. I'm just AWFUL. I'm easily the worst player I've ever met, without competiton.
No, this isn't a thread for me to bleed my heart and fish for reassurance and donations. I've been enough of a charity case already. I should have quit a long time ago but I won't let myself stop until I can feel like I've made up for my losses and been at least passable in my time here.
The question is: why do I suck so bad, at PvP and at everything? I can't even pose any kind of threat to the softest newbie flying a rookie ship. I don't PvP often, either; most of those kills come from my stupidity in other categories.
How can I boost my defense and start being at least self-sufficient in this game to the point where losing five ships on a weekly basis isn't that common? Any tips at all? Am I missing something or am I just as terrible as I think I am? Look at my sig, my sig is amazing |
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
583
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Posted - 2014.03.17 17:58:00 -
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You should cancel your subscription.
Coreli Corporation: Small gang PVP & Drug Production, Apply now! |
SmokinJs Arthie
Justified Chaos
8
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:02:00 -
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Are you in a corp by yourself? If so you should think about joining a corp with other people. They will be able to show you the ropes. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
541
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:09:00 -
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Join Atonement. Lose ships with friends. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2257
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:21:00 -
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maybe you should try pvping with other people "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Starbuck05
Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum
153
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:53:00 -
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My suggestion is join FW. Be it solo or preferably with a corp, more so look at my corp and join our public channel, if you get in il be more then happy to provide you information and tips to improve your gameplay.
FW is pretty easy to understand and its , to my knowledge, the only pvp activity where you can trully sustain yourself with ease WHILE you pvp. Making money here is easy, learning to pew is better then anywhere else.
Try it , you got nothing to lose but gain. -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ?? |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
652
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:43:00 -
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Join a noob friendly FW (Faction warfare) corp with an established pvp record. They will teach you how to pvp and FW is super easy isk.
I'm CEO *****.
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Plato Forko
Of Questionable Lineage
45
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:56:00 -
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I see you've been roaming around low-sec Metro, which is a pretty tough place to learn to PvP. I've been roaming that area for the past year and even with the systems memorized, safe spots bookmarked, UI set up properly, knowledge of local corps and pilots and booster alts set orange, it still sometimes takes all my concentration to avoid getting suddenly ganked.
I also think you would be best-off joining a FW corp that bases in the area, that would give you access to the accumulated knowledge of more experienced pilots to give you a major leg up. The LP you earn will pay for ships, and the rest is just about going out and getting used to how all the mechanics work. knowledge is power, yo My terribad blog where I QQ and rage about Amarr FW |
Farsiris Arbosa
StarFleet Central Command
5
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:11:00 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:You should cancel your subscription.
I should, but I don't. Look at my sig, my sig is amazing |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1014
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:15:00 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:Join Atonement. Lose ships with friends.
^ This is good advice.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
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Farsiris Arbosa
StarFleet Central Command
5
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:21:00 -
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SmokinJs Arthie wrote:Are you in a corp by yourself? If so you should think about joining a corp with other people. They will be able to show you the ropes.
No, I'm in a corp, and a successful one, at that. All of my corpmates have made plenty of ISK. I'm just really bad and to be honest, I feel guilty that I'm in a corp that I know I could do nothing but drag down. My friend insisted on me joining though. Look at my sig, my sig is amazing |
WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:32:00 -
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Solo is verry hard... most people have high implants are booster alts supporting them, making true solo dam.near impossable. Trust me i solo fw lose more then i win. If your flying true solo picking targets is verry important. Most pilots flying t2 will.most likely have high grade implants or bosting alts. If you in t1 take on other t1 ships but know the limits of the ship that you are.flying -Fly Reckless- |
Rubishod
Discrete Astrographic Reconnaissance Technologies Avowed.
4
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:30:00 -
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I think it is because you fight in active tank and/or ventures. Or mixing tanks. Or not even flying a ship that is fully fit.
Someone should check your fits before you fly. |
Yang Aurilen
Summary Executions Test Alliance Please Ignore
66
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Posted - 2014.03.18 02:48:00 -
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Checking on your killboard I'm going to guess that the reason you keep on dying is you engage targets that you have a low chance of killing. You do not engage a trasher in an AC rifter (HINT: go under his guns) if you do not know what you are doing. Other things include fighting a legion or any af's in a rifter and fighting cruiser blobs in a rifter. Engage ships that are in your weight class namely other t1 frigs. Also fill up your up your rig slots and if you're armor tanking pick either buffer or active not both. Since you like to brawl alot judging by your setup always fit scram and web. Prop mod can be AB(maximum brawling) or MWD(kiters plz go). |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
102
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:01:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:0 kills. 46 losses. That's what I have after 2, going on 3, months of playing. My legacy is crap and the peak amount of ISK I've EVER had in my wallet was 63 mil. Yeah. Hold the applause.
It's not my level of exposure to the game, because in the short amount of time I've been here I've had more vets help me than any other newbie I've ever known. I've probably had more donated to me than I have earned on my own, and I return nearly everything I've been given. I've yet to meet a single player as bad as me. Every person I've ever met has earned more in their first month than I have in my life. And don't tell me it's some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy of self-esteem either, because up until a couple weeks ago I was stupid enough to think that I was some sort of EVE savant in training. I'm just AWFUL. I'm easily the worst player I've ever met, without competiton.
No, this isn't a thread for me to bleed my heart and fish for reassurance and donations. I've been enough of a charity case already. I should have quit a long time ago but I won't let myself stop until I can feel like I've made up for my losses and been at least passable in my time here.
The question is: why do I suck so bad, at PvP and at everything? I can't even pose any kind of threat to the softest newbie flying a rookie ship. I don't PvP often, either; most of those losses come from my stupidity in other categories.
How can I boost my defense and start being at least self-sufficient in this game to the point where losing five ships on a weekly basis isn't that common? Any tips at all? Am I missing something or am I just as terrible as I think I am?
Don't worry you are still better than your typical New Order Code spewer. |
Farsiris Arbosa
StarFleet Central Command
5
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:43:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Checking on your killboard I'm going to guess that the reason you keep on dying is you engage targets that you have a low chance of killing. You do not engage a trasher in an AC rifter (HINT: go under his guns) if you do not know what you are doing. Other things include fighting a legion or any af's in a rifter and fighting cruiser blobs in a rifter. Engage ships that are in your weight class namely other t1 frigs. Also fill up your up your rig slots and if you're armor tanking pick either buffer or active not both. Since you like to brawl alot judging by your setup always fit scram and web. Prop mod can be AB(maximum brawling) or MWD(kiters plz go).
Actually, of those only two or three I actually started a fight with. The others struck first. Look at my sig, my sig is amazing |
Benar Ellecon
From Our Cold Dead Hands The Kadeshi
20
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Posted - 2014.03.18 16:55:00 -
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WaterMarks wrote:Solo is verry hard... most people have high implants are booster alts supporting them, making true solo dam.near impossable. Trust me i solo fw lose more then i win. If your flying true solo picking targets is verry important. Most pilots flying t2 will.most likely have high grade implants or bosting alts. If you in t1 take on other t1 ships but know the limits of the ship that you are.flying
This ^
My first successful kills were with a group that took me in and started teaching me the PvP ropes. As said, solo is hard. And btw, after a year of playing I still loose ships to being jumped and not in the right fit. Personally I enjoy flying with others as it is a rewarding experience. Also said was make sure you have someone check your fits because it is there you will learn a lot about fitting your ships for the right task. As said, one year going and still learning. This is a game of endless possibilities. Never give up.
Never. Fly with your hair on FIRE! |
Farsiris Arbosa
StarFleet Central Command
5
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Posted - 2014.03.18 17:53:00 -
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Have any of you met someone who has done worse than me? Even just one? It's serious question. I've yet to meet someone my age, or hell, even a month younger who has done as terrible as I have. And I've been looking. Am I as exceptionally bad as I think I am or is this somewhat common? Completely serious here. Look at my sig, my sig is amazing |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
135
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:08:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Have any of you met someone who has done worse than me? Even just one? It's serious question. I've yet to meet someone my age, or hell, even a month younger who has done as terrible as I have. And I've been looking. Am I as exceptionally bad as I think I am or is this somewhat common? Completely serious here.
Yes. But I won't shame them by naming them. A lot of newbros are in FW though. So they learn while flying with a more experienced pilot. It's very easy to get ahold of the basics and start winning solo fights once you have someone that can run you through hypotheticals and fits. (IE. should I take this fight against a Kestrel in a Merlin?)
I really recommend getting into a FW corp like many people here suggested. Sit in novice plexes with your frigates and you'll get plenty of 1v1 fights against opponents who will be unlinked (contrary to popular belief). Once you gain experience, move up into destroyers and smalls, and cruisers and mediums. FW is good because it limits your engagement profile and you can have nice little excluded battles. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1890
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:19:00 -
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Join FW. Pay attention to ship fits, fly with other people (join an FW fleet if you think you need to). If you're not getting out of your current corp what you think you need to succeed then your current corp is failing you. Get out.
And quit leeching off other players. Earning money here isn't that difficult, and fitting cheap-fit frigates to kill or die really isn't that expensive. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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Balshem Rozenzweig
Akademia Milicyjna The North is Coming
20
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:48:00 -
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from what I see the obvious is you have money problems. Solve that by joining an FW corporation (even the NPC one but it might get you awoxed) and grind at least a couple hundred millions (if you pay for the sub with real money). It will allow you to buy some rigs at least ;-)
Then, if you like grinding LP as your source of income, stop skilling for whatever that is not PVP related. You need mainly int/per for that and memory if you plan on using drones. Looking at you flying rifters - I would skip drones for a while and skill for guns and missiles. Easier remap and better focus for a minie/caldari toon. You can remap for drones (int/mem) when you have good support/tank skills and at least 4s in every gunnery/missile support skill (this info is anecdotical - this is what I believe to work). It will take a while, but when you will be at the drones remap - grab ewar and tank skills too.
A way for you to learn ships - go into a system where there's some enemy activity, and enter an empty plex. Scan every 5 seconds for enemies. If you see a solo, non-navy t1 frigate incoming - engage. Rinse and repeat for 100 times and you will learn which ships are t1 frigs and what they use in general (you do not expect a condor to be brawler for example, it happens but rarely).
If you grind really really hard and make really really good cash - start using navy frigs as they are quite popular in the amarr fw area. They will allow you to be competitive, but cost a lot and using them before you have at least average pvp experience might be costly.
If you get into a good corp - they will teach you everything. Mine is great for new players education but polish only so sry ;-) Singature Radius 48 m |
Marlin Spikes
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
113
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:23:00 -
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Do it again, except with a little more win.
Choose your battles, don't just go leroying into fights with ships that out class you. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
413
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Posted - 2014.03.20 09:52:00 -
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Having quickly browsed your losses the most obvious thing is to improve your fits, remember in Eve half the battle is won before it even starts, a properly fitted ship goes a long way in any engagement.
My assumption since you seem to be flying Rifters is that you are Minmatar specced, the Rifter is very weak over all, I gather the Slasher is fairly good however I have never had much problems with them myself, never the less you would be wise to look for some fits for that. |
Leon Caroski
Unity Eclipsed
0
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Posted - 2014.03.21 03:48:00 -
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Since you're running around in low sec in a frigate, my advice is that you shouldn't fly alone. EVER. Pirates love to pick off little targets, but will usually back off if they don't think they can win.
Also, try starting a convo with the guy who just killed you. He might be nice enough to give you some tips. |
Hacklespur Harrowhound
The Abdication Corporation
6
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:36:00 -
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I don't usually comment, but a strong sense of "I know that feel brah" came over me.
At your character age I had just peaked at over 1mil isk liquid. For serious. I never got a kill, always lost in pvp (dat early killboard doh), and generally did terrible at everything I tried.
Over 3 years later, isk is little issue, I've (poorly) FCed fleets, actually legitimately blown up pixels, etc. etc.
My advice to add would be to look for a corp that truly fits you. If it's the one you're in, cool! If not, your current corp should be understanding enough and supportive to see you move on to bigger/smaller and better things. Shop around for a group that is more fine tuned to your interests, or really push your corpmates to help.
In regards to the pvp;
-Pick a ship you absolutely love (because of awesome war stories about Vexors taking out small gangs, because you love the fact that a Thorax looks like... a classic spaceship, because you understand the role of a Tornado, because ZOMG THE TARANIS GOES FAST!, etc.) and train towards that ship and only that ship. Get comfortable with it, learn how it acts, lose a bunch of them. Fit what you want on your ship, fit what's top rated on Battleclinic, then fit what your corpmate linked that one time. The better you know a ship, no matter how truly terrible you are at pvp, will make you a better pilot. The early game is not kind to new players and the want to fly ALL THE SHIPS. -Be more cautious than you're comfortable with. It pays dividends, and will give you more time to learn engagements and evasion (equally or arguably more important). I however do not mean be risk-adverse, but don't just jump at every chance of pew you get. -Go to null!
Most of all, always be open to new ideas, and never give up. This is Eve Online after all. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1047
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:06:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Have any of you met someone who has done worse than me? Even just one? It's serious question. I've yet to meet someone my age, or hell, even a month younger who has done as terrible as I have. And I've been looking. Am I as exceptionally bad as I think I am or is this somewhat common? Completely serious here.
Yeah I have met 2 people way worse at PvP than you.
One is called Greggles Midboss and the other is Orr Gallente.
Docked since 2009. |
Rikanin
Azerick Industrial
78
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:37:00 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:You should cancel your subscription.
You first, please.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
190
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:00:00 -
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I just sent him 10mil isk. If we all pitch in, then he can get a proper ship with proper fittings. Let's do a rare charity thing here! |
52inches
Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:31:00 -
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hey new guy
**sending pm
keep going- and well done hanging in there it'll pay off.
oh and yes there are FAR worse players lol...but who cares have fun o7
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
348
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Posted - 2014.03.29 02:44:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:The question is: why do I suck so bad, at PvP and at everything? Umm.... because you only have 3 months worth of skills and playing knowledge? People will often say "zomg u kan totally PvP as a noob! I restarted from scratch and got tons of killz!". Which is true. Because they have the playing knowledge to compensate for their lack of skill points.
Hate to break it to ya man, but you're probably gonna keep sucking until about 6 months in. Just the way it goes. Takes about that long before you finally put everything together that everybody was trying to explain to you all along. Part of it is getting the skill points up to a level where it makes a difference ("get under their guns" doesn't help much when you're too slow to get there and your low-skill tank is getting blasted to pieces on approach). The other part is once your skills actually start making a difference, you can see what you were doing wrong before and make changes.
So yeah, stick with it. Suck up the pain. Rely on your corp-mates. Vulture on kills when you can. |
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