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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:29:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/ishukone-meets-with-gallente-senate-on-caldari-prime/
Cautiously optimistic about this. If further progress can be made towards returning full control of the planet to the Caldari, we'll be well on the way to a lasting peace and an end to the proxy war. Mane 614
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3335
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:51:00 -
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Interesting. I look forward to whatever announcement is due to follow. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
950
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:12:00 -
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What? This Reppola is going to lick gallentean buttocks again? Is this his hobby now?
I hope Ishukone peoples will come to senses sooner and boot out this disgraced CEO from their corporation. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2267
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:15:00 -
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Men's Repolla needs an Aidonis Award. He's done more to promote peace between the Gallente and the Caldari in just a few years than both of our nations have done in two centuries. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
950
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:20:00 -
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If he needs something, it is a bullet right between his eyes. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1466
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:25:00 -
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Puzzling that the article states that there has only been, "Muted disapproval" and, "Visible outrage" at Ishukone's move. I can only posit there must be some inherent bias in the piece that does not adequately give voice to such a momentous occasion as Ishukone-Federal collaboration. Where is the news of the fireworks? The guns firing in salute? They certainly must have sounded, but have been silenced by the author's pen for as it stands there appears to be some tacit implications that the news has shifted Ishukone into a political position that is sharply at odds with a majority of State corporate institutions and I daresay (even the thought wounds me, like a barb through the heart) even the majority of Caldari citizens!
Such is the pain and burden I feel, in my soul and upon my shoulders, that neither the article author nor Nugoeihuvei sought fit to report the joy, and the overwhelming gratitude Caldari today must feel at the notion of Ishukone leadership walking hand-in-glove together with their peers, their allies, and their ever-lasting friends in the Federal Senate.
Shocking, truly, to even think Ishukone would face either approbation or condemnation by the Caldari majority over their decision, today. |
Cuci Cairi
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:38:00 -
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This is quite interesting news. Hopefully the talks are productive, and I would also be rather curious to see what Repolla had to say if he is in fact en route.
Hopefully the rest of the State can look past their jealousy of Ishukone and we can continue towards stability. -á |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6112
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:54:00 -
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What good fortune, Gesakaarin, that the State is not a democracy. What good fortune that Kaalakiota and Lai Dai aren't active on Caldari Prime-- though such a thing could never really happen, as KK and Lai Dai would never stoop to diplomacy.
You keep fighting your eternal war. Ishukone Okusaika will tend to Caldari Prime. Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
149
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:20:00 -
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What kind of diplomatic meeting requires its participants to arrive in a convoy of transports escorted by armoured units? O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3350
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:37:00 -
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One on a planet lousy with operatives from a clandestine organisation that has a habit of acting under its own counsel only.
I must admit that I am concerned about the lack of transparency in Ishukone's actions lately. They should remember that Home is for ALL Caldari and not just citizens of Ishukone. Only when all factions have an interest in the success of the peace will the peace endure. |
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Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
149
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:01:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:One on a planet lousy with operatives from a clandestine organisation that has a habit of acting under its own counsel only.
I must admit that I am concerned about the lack of transparency in Ishukone's actions lately. They should remember that Home is for ALL Caldari and not just citizens of Ishukone. Only when all factions have an interest in the success of the peace will the peace endure.
Perhaps I was less than clear with my point, Pieter.
The unusual part of the diplomatic group wasn't that there was security attached to it - it was the report there was a convoy of transport-sized vessels required to get them there. I regard it as unusual to need convoys of transports to move a few diplomats and their aides around, especially if one is trying to remain discreet in their operations. However, if one's purpose is to quietly move something beyond a few diplomats a convoy coupled with a story that misdirects inquiry into its real purpose could prove most useful. O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
TomHorn
Dragonaurs Ndrangheta.
196
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:17:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:One on a planet lousy with operatives from a clandestine organisation that has a habit of acting under its own counsel only.
I must admit that I am concerned about the lack of transparency in Ishukone's actions lately. They should remember that Home is for ALL Caldari and not just citizens of Ishukone. Only when all factions have an interest in the success of the peace will the peace endure.
I agree Pieter. Lets have a little patience and wait to see what is announced. They're many nationalist's on the ground, well organized patriot cells after enduring 200 years of occupation. Im sure if anything is agreed that the citizens are unhappy with, they will let their feelings be known in the coming months.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6113
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:27:00 -
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Mr. Rundle; an escort is reasonably proportional to the value of the escorted party. The use of the term 'transport' doesn't clarify the size of the vehicle. These could be anything from APCs or IFVs to civilian transports to freight vehicles. Without knowing more, we can't say.
Tuulinen-haan; would you argue in favor of greater transparency by Kaalakiota? By Wiyrkomi? By the navy? Have we heard reports of State citizens being turned away from Caldari Prime? Surely not; indeed, even a disgraced former navy officer was able to return home for a final, honorable act.
I see no failure of administration on Ishukone Okusaika's part. We as a people and a state have not made a habit of subordinating a corporation's actions to the CEP when that corporation's actions have demonstrated able administration.
As I said to Gesakaarin, Ishukone Okusaika's place on Caldari Prime was secured by our willingness to stoop to diplomacy when Kaalakiota and its brethren would instead fight an eternal war. Would you profit from another man's work, even when your work is against that man's? Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3337
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:45:00 -
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I feel confident that Ishukone will issue an appropriate report when there is something appropriate to report.
For now, a convoy of vehicles has entered a compound. The agenda could be anything from proposals to grant full and equal access to the other Okusaiken and hand administrative control to the CEP, to a motion regarding salvage and cleanup of the Shiigeru crash-site, to who-knows-what else.
Speculation is dangerous, and megacorporations understand this well. I doubt that KK and Lai Dai would be any more transparent at this moment - let us wait calmly for whatever news emerges, or is leaked, rather than criticising a megacorporation for acting entirely within its legal rights as defined by the founding articles of the State and the rules of the CEP. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
306
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:55:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:What? This Reppola is going to lick gallentean buttocks again? Is this his hobby now?
I hope Ishukone peoples will come to senses sooner and boot out this disgraced CEO from their corporation. Dear Ms. Kim,
I don't know what "this Reppola" does for sexual recreational activities. However, I would not be surprised if "this Reppola" finds such activities pleasurable.
Licking particular Gallentean buttocks has been quite thrilling, especially when hearing the receiving female voice saying something like "oh you nasty boy" with a rich sultry intonation (of course in Gallentean, but I see no impediment to those words being spoken in a Caldari dialect).
I wouldn't call this act so much a hobby, as an occasional spicy addition during a night of passion. You really should try it sometime, on whoever you find attractive and enjoy being intimate with (also nothing wrong with asking for a shower to precede the act). You do have such a person, don't you? If not I will be for a little while, until I remember your hateful predilections. Maybe someday you will lick the moon and become a loving person. Maybe you will even develop some compassion for all of humanity as well.
Sincerely,
Deac |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
950
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:36:00 -
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How about I just kill you, then dump your frozen corpse near the station and shatter it with my railguns?.. |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
71
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:32:00 -
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I share the overall optimism concerning this situation.
To the Caldari: Any of you can give me (Or us) a better insight as to the Ishukone reported distancing from the Big Eight? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3360
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:46:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:As I said to Gesakaarin, Ishukone Okusaika's place on Caldari Prime was secured by our willingness to stoop to diplomacy while Kaalakiota and its brethren would instead fight an eternal war. Would you profit from another citizen's work, even when your work is against that citizen's?
I fought in the skies over Home at the third battle of Caldari Prime where my kirjuun and I inflicted great damage on the enemy at great cost to ourselves. I don't remember seeing you there, Priano-haani, but even if you were (actually especially if you were) I wouldn't expect you to talk about me as if I had contributed nothing to the peace.
Ask your own Oniseki-haani if she remembers my contributions to the evacuations and the supply convoys afterwards. I'm sure she does. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3062
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Posted - 2014.03.20 22:14:00 -
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I'd rather not participate in this thread, thanks. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4377
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Posted - 2014.03.20 22:17:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:I'd rather not participate in this thread, thanks. And yet... Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3362
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Posted - 2014.03.20 22:21:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:I'd rather not participate in this thread, thanks.
I'll remember that, the next time you come to me with a cluster-**** to participate in. All I asked for was a factual statement. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3341
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Posted - 2014.03.20 22:43:00 -
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Let's not get into a "Whose Heiian is biggest?" competition here, please. Speculation is one thing, jabs and needless needling are quite another.
Apollo Lyserius wrote:Any of you can give me (Or us) a better insight as to the Ishukone reported distancing from the Big Eight?
Megacorporations keeping one another at arms' length is business as usual. We're not a Democracy or Republic, the State doesn't require that its component parts be transparent to one another, only that they not be an active hindrance to the greater good.
There was a little rhyme I was taught as a child, although it completely loses all rhyming and rhythm in translation: "Me against the family, my family against the department, our department against the corporation, our corporation against the State, our State against the species, and our species against the universe."
I think that adequately sums up what's going on. Ishukone is not required to let the other Okusaiken in on its operations - It will very probably prove to be politically and financially expedient for them to do so in the near future, but the "distance" the article speaks of is no greater than that between say, Hyasyoda and Wiyrkomi. It's not that there's any active antagonism involved, just a clear understanding of boundaries and demesnes, and a healthy spirit of growth-through-competition.
If Ishukone are being unusually clandestine (debatable), then that's just shrewd business practice in action. Jostling for position is what the Okusaiken do, and anonymous corporate vehicles drive into diplomatic compounds every day.
Of course, this is Home we're talking about, and the government of the Federation, both of which are emotionally-charged subjects for the Caldari. The usual etiquette of patient and polite distance might... hmm... lapse somewhat with that kind of passion in the mix. Curiosity might be getting the better of decorum.
Either that, or the Kaalakiota press office know exactly what they're doing by issuing that statement and calculate that they stand to gain by it.
Or both.
In any case, it's a matter for Ishukone's Board of Directors and the CEP to handle. I've seen a lot of wild speculation today and I prefer to not draw conclusions until I've got substance, or at least a logically sound argument, to justify them. Let's comment on the evidence we do have, rather than speculating ahead of it. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
72
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Posted - 2014.03.20 22:57:00 -
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I see. Much obliged, sir, for the explanation. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
696
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Posted - 2014.03.20 23:22:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: Tuulinen-haan; would you argue in favor of greater transparency by Kaalakiota? By Wiyrkomi? By the navy?
As I said to Gesakaarin, Ishukone Okusaika's place on Caldari Prime was secured by our willingness to stoop to diplomacy while Kaalakiota and its brethren would instead fight an eternal war. Would you profit from another citizen's work, even when your work is against that citizen's?
#1 Neither of them is clandestinely negotiating with the enemy during times of war.
#2 I have very vivid memories of the events leading up to this, all of it, and it began for our generation with a lightning offense culminating in a stunning victory, a multiple year foothold until a massive counter-offensive against an outnumbered and apparently sabotaged defense force resultet in a victory, pyrrhic as it may be. Then we've seen two weeks of ground fighting, where slightly more than 50% of the districts have been kept under caldari control.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
246
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Posted - 2014.03.20 23:25:00 -
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6116
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Posted - 2014.03.20 23:28:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I don't remember seeing you there, Priano-haani, but even if you were (actually especially if you were) I wouldn't expect you to talk about me as if I had contributed nothing to the peace.
I had thought such a blow below you, Tuulinen. While you're waving your heiian around, you're insulting every pilot who operates outside of your conditioned operational pattern, who was deployed elsewhere, or who simply was stopped at the stargates outside of the system. Frankly, you're insulting me, personally, because-- what? Because you want to have been the dutiful soldier, beyond reproach because of your service?
Choke on your tea, Tuulinen, because you haven't contributed to the peace any more than Tibus Heth saved Caldari Prime.
Saying anything else is self-aggrandizement with no respect to the truth of the matter.
Were it not for Ishukone Okusaikan's willingness to negotiate, once orbital support was lost, our marines would have eventually lost the rest of Caldari Prime. As it stands, that very corporation you slander as untrustworthy and opaque is the reason why you aren't passing through Federations customs to step on Caldari Prime. Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Shiki Mikkyou
33
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Posted - 2014.03.20 23:38:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Of course, this is Home we're talking about, and the government of the Federation, both of which are emotionally-charged subjects for the Caldari. The usual etiquette of patient and polite distance might... hmm... lapse somewhat with that kind of passion in the mix[...]
In any case, it's a matter for Ishukone's Board of Directors and the CEP to handle.
I'm not fond of being involved in political debate, but I'd like to echo the sentiment that I believe any pessimism with respect to this news is premature.
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2281
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Posted - 2014.03.20 23:41:00 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote:What kind of diplomatic meeting requires its participants to arrive in a convoy of transports escorted by armoured units?
Mens Repolla is currently the most important person in the State and possibly the entire cluster. The ultimate fate of the State and even the Federation depends on what he does. He needs the highest security possible. If Mens Repolla was killed or even injured, the course of history would change completely. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
TomHorn
Dragonaurs Ndrangheta.
196
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Posted - 2014.03.20 23:55:00 -
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Quote:What good fortune that Kaalakiota and Lai Dai aren't active on Caldari Prime-- though such a thing could never really happen, as KK and Lai Dai would never stoop to diplomacy.
You keep fighting your eternal war. Ishukone Okusaika will tend to Caldari Prime.
If it wasnt for Heth and the provists you would have nothing to negotiate for. You think you can come in now at the end, try and take someone else glory.
People still remember Tibus Heth the conqueror personally raise the State flag over the city of Arcurio. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3063
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Posted - 2014.03.20 23:58:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:I'd rather not participate in this thread, thanks. And yet...
And yet I'm being paid to watch it and answer any legitimate questions if they appear, apparently.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:I'd rather not participate in this thread, thanks. I'll remember that, the next time you come to me with a cluster-**** to participate in. All I asked for was a factual statement.
Seriously? What is your problem?
You think to drag me into an argument against my own colleague? You should know better than to think I'll back you up before I back her up. You're not Ishukone. You're not I-RED. You're not even friendly with I-RED. You're barely on good terms with me. I don't like your attitude, I don't like your politics, and I don't like who you work for. I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
Yes, you were there assisting with evacuation of injured civilians (regardless of their loyalties) following the Third Battle of Caldari Prime. An admirable job you did there too. We're all thankful for that, especially the people whose half scorched bodies were pulled from wreckage. A lot of people died anyways. Radiation poisoning, respiratory infections, suicide, and worse. Yet far far more would have died if you weren't there, trapped all alone beneath tonnes rubble in the darkness, or choking on the ashes of their own homes. Victims of war. The fact that you were there with me above the planet doing what we could to ferry survivors to station was more than anybody asked of you.
But don't you dare for one second come in here waving that good deed around like you deserve another aluminum foil medal on your chest. Frak that. I wasn't up there so I can throw it in people's faces. I was up there because it was the right thing to do at the time, and I had the ability to do it.
Now are you done demanding validation so you can win a space argument with Priano-haani, or did you want to **** in my general direction some more? Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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