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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:07:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:for a short period before it becomes actually extinct when metacide comes through and prices rise above mineral price no real loss, i've no pity at all Speculation. Citation needed. nah we know it's being strongly considered and it's the next logical step after ship rebalancing
one day i might even fit t2 ecm |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2741
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:11:00 -
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i mean it's pretty damned odd that the only use for meta 1-3 garbage is its refining value when the only reason it's so cheap is that it's so bloody useless in its actual role
think about how strange it is when people aren't complaining that the mods are so useless they're primarily used as garbage, they're complaining that the mods are even more useless as garbage by 50% |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:11:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Another point: I was actually thinking the other week how silly it was that you had to compress minerals for transport by building guns, bastion modules and so on. So after this change you won't have to? That's a big improvement I think. If you're going to compress, make compression "a thing".
You didn't have to, it was just easier and less skill intensive than training up a Rorqual pilot and moving Ore to Lowsec to get compressed. It really had no impact on gameplay at all, except for the fact Rorquals were essentially useless since you could accomplish the same by just taking the 425s to Nullsec in that same JF.
So what better to make the Rorqual useful than making a Compression pos module! That could deploy in HS! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20178
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:13:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Building ships and mods...to use. Why not just buy them?
Salvos Rhoska wrote:You will see that I am right Tippia Highly unlikely, since you don't even understand how the market works and since, as mentioned, you've already been proven wrong before you started.
Quote:I don't know why you so vociferously try to contrive and whitewash the repercussions and ramifications of this change. Because you have to have something to make yourself upset over. Or, more accurately, that's why you try to paint it as something it is not. All I'm doing is not buying the unfounded, unreasoned, and counterfactual panicking being presented GÇö especially since the paranoid-delusional conspiracy general is leading the charge.
See, that is a vociferous dismissal. What I write about what's happening, on the other hand, is based on dispassionate historical fact.
Quote:I don't find any of your explanations or justifications for it either valid or actually even RELEVANT to it. That's because you refuse to understand the actual problem at hand.
Quote:Nothing will be the same in the non-ore/ice refinement profession after this change. GǪaside from, you know, the actual profession. Also, I like how you keep referring to people who want to squeeze out a bit more profit as GÇ£absolute idiotsGÇ¥. That's a really interesting approach to business, I must say. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20178
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:14:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:for a short period before it becomes actually extinct when metacide comes through and prices rise above mineral price no real loss, i've no pity at all Speculation. Citation needed. That's rich, coming from you. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kaarlan Zhar
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:14:00 -
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TL;DR = "Waaah, waaah waaah, I suck at EVE. CCP should nerf everyone who doesn't play like I do and make my life easy" |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:17:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:i mean it's pretty damned odd that the only use for meta 1-3 garbage is its refining value when the only reason it's so cheap is that it's so bloody useless in its actual role
think about how strange it is when people aren't complaining that the mods are so useless they're primarily used as garbage, they're complaining that the mods are even more useless as garbage by 50%
Just complaining that CCP seems content on killing newbie friendly professions. But hey **** new players right.
Tippia wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Building ships and mods...to use. Why not just buy them?
Not everyone has the personal logistics to both enter highsec and move large ships out of highsec. Such is the life of a Pirate. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20178
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:19:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Just complaining that CCP seems content on killing newbie friendly professions. But hey **** new players right. No newbie profession is being killed here. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
379
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Just complaining that CCP seems content on killing newbie friendly professions. But hey **** new players right. No newbie profession is being killed here.
Its cute that you think that, but most salvagers/reprocessors are newbs. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:That's rich, coming from you.
The details of the reprocessing changes are already issued. No speculation involved. No such details for "metacide" habe been issued, though I dont doubt much they will eventually get around to it.
So nice try, but you missed. |
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2741
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:21:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:i mean it's pretty damned odd that the only use for meta 1-3 garbage is its refining value when the only reason it's so cheap is that it's so bloody useless in its actual role
think about how strange it is when people aren't complaining that the mods are so useless they're primarily used as garbage, they're complaining that the mods are even more useless as garbage by 50% Just complaining that CCP seems content on killing newbie friendly professions. But hey **** new players right. if you care about the salvaging/looting profession then you should support metacide which'd make loot worth more than its reprocessing value was ever worth |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5293
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:They don't invest 60 billion in upgrades or have to deal with taking on enemy fleets involving tens of trillions of isk in defence of said stations.
Yeah with all the options for doing so they have got!
Oh wait, they can't.
I'd create a POS reprocessing lab that only works on WHs and gives better yeld than 0.0. Why? Because they deserve it and because they can't crash the economy with it anyway, WH logistics make sure of that. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20178
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:23:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Its cute that you think that, but most salvagers/reprocessors are newbs. GǪand they can keep salvaging and reprocessing..
That's the core flaw of this entire complaint: the absurd exaggeration that GÇ£lessGÇ¥ somehow means GÇ£noneGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
379
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:23:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tippia wrote:That's rich, coming from you. The details of the reprocessing changes are already issued. No speculation involved. No such details for "metacide" habe been issued, though I dont doubt much they will eventually get around to it. So nice try, but you missed.
They have been saying they will get around to it for years. Just another tater from CCP to be honest, Rise will quit eventually and the next guy who thinks he is hot **** will take the wheel and lead us back through another cyclical ship and weapon rebalance. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
379
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Its cute that you think that, but most salvagers/reprocessors are newbs. GǪand they can keep salvaging and reprocessing.. That's the core flaw of this entire complaint: the absurd exaggeration that GǣlessGǥ somehow means GǣnoneGǥ.
Yet there is absolutely no reason to even touch reprocessing. At all. Zero reason to do so. It didn't impact mining/production before, yet it will have a negative effect after. Change for change sake is not good. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5293
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:25:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: WHs are riskier than sov null sec
lolno they really arent I have flown extensively in all types of space. No place in the game is more challenging to survive in than a wormhole (assuming one is actually doing something other than sitting cloaked in a safe). WH space is null with no local and no safe place to dock. There is no 250 man fleet of supers and support ready to cyno in to save your POS either. Don't even try to claim null is anywhere close to WH space.
Unsurprisingly no one of your null sec "colleagues" added any Like. Take my one.
It's really all one groupthink and no care even for those in a similar (or harder) situation. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2741
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:25:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:They have been saying they will get around to it for years. Just another tater from CCP to be honest, Rise will quit eventually and the next guy who thinks he is hot **** will take the wheel and lead us back through another cyclical ship and weapon rebalance. the rebalancing team is ytterbium, tallest, fozzie and rise iirc
and they've always said that if it comes it'll be after all the ships are done |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20178
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:28:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Yet there is absolutely no reason to even touch reprocessing. GǪaside from the ones that exist right now: because it makes the market part of the equation less of a burden.
Quote:Name me one reason why reprocessing is poor for the game. Why should I give reasons for someone else's stance?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5293
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:29:00 -
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Twenty Five Percent wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: WHs are riskier than sov null sec
lolno they really arent I have flown extensively in all types of space. No place in the game is more challenging to survive in than a wormhole (assuming one is actually doing something other than sitting cloaked in a safe). WH space is null with no local and no safe place to dock. There is no 250 man fleet of supers and support ready to cyno in to save your POS either. Don't even try to claim null is anywhere close to WH space. I would ask PL how much assets they had locked in B-R that was enough to throw 59 Titans at and then ask N3 how much stuff is locked into 0-W. Risk in a WH is what you are flying in, risk in 0.0 is an entire coalitions assets.
Maybe they lost so much because sov let them amass that much to begin with? Maybe they lost 59 titans and change, because in there you CAN make those ridicolous amounts of wealth? (But of course it's the EBIL hi seccer buying a faction Raven who HAS to DIE in a nerf flame!).
WHers don't have the luxury of that. That's why they will never be able to amass 59 titans.
WHers are the real end gamers. Those who don't need training wheels like local.
Null sec will forever be a joke with instant inbounds notification, this relic "feature" would be seen as a shame on much less blasoned games than EvE. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:29:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:They have been saying they will get around to it for years. Just another tater from CCP to be honest, Rise will quit eventually and the next guy who thinks he is hot **** will take the wheel and lead us back through another cyclical ship and weapon rebalance. the rebalancing team is ytterbium, tallest, fozzie and rise iirc and they've always said that if it comes it'll be after all the ships are done
And the ships have never been done they have been rebalancing ships for years. Meta issues have been around for years. Do you not think it is much quicker and easier to say hey ALL the T2 stuff should function better than the Meta 4 stuff. They started tweaking some things, stopped, went on to something else, stopped.
Its a clusterfuck of unfocused changes for the sake of changes.
Case in point.
2013 Lets buff drone use and damps. OOOPS 2014 Lets nerf drone use and damps.
Maybe we can get by adding .01 mass to the Caracal in 1.3 and call it a balance pass. Ya we did cruisers in late 2012 maybe no one will notice though. |
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
405
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Its cute that you think that, but most salvagers/reprocessors are newbs. GǪand they can keep salvaging and reprocessing.. That's the core flaw of this entire complaint: the absurd exaggeration that GǣlessGǥ somehow means GǣnoneGǥ. Salvos Rhoska wrote:The details of the reprocessing changes are already issued. No speculation involved. GǪwhich was obviously what I was referring to, and not your unsubstantiated speculation about the doom that will follow.
They are not unsubstantiated :)
The sheer fact that the efficiency change results in a universal devaluing of the base mineral reprocessed value of ALL non-ice/oremitems in the entire game already substantiates that unequivocably.
What little margin there was for purchasing/gathering items for reprocessing into minerals for profit, will narrow to where it is no longer feasible, especially not when compared to simply skilling into ore/ice refinement instead.
In common internet parlance, "this kills the reprocessing profession". |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
380
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Yet there is absolutely no reason to even touch reprocessing. GǪaside from the ones that exist right now: because it makes the market part of the equation less of a burden. Quote:Name me one reason why reprocessing is poor for the game. Why should I give reasons for someone else's stance?
There are no issues. You can't even name one. Such a joke.
At least you could have said it prevents things like making 425's for mineral transport. Which is now rectified because it is easier to stick it into a pos and compress it in HS and ship it out that way.
There is no reason to change reprocessing at all. Other than for the sake of making a change. CCP at their best.
Nothing wrong here guys so we are going to come in and change a bunch of **** for no reason other than we can. Enjoy! |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2741
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:35:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:They have been saying they will get around to it for years. Just another tater from CCP to be honest, Rise will quit eventually and the next guy who thinks he is hot **** will take the wheel and lead us back through another cyclical ship and weapon rebalance. the rebalancing team is ytterbium, tallest, fozzie and rise iirc and they've always said that if it comes it'll be after all the ships are done And the ships have never been done they have been rebalancing ships for years. Meta issues have been around for years. Do you not think it is much quicker and easier to say hey ALL the T2 stuff should function better than the Meta 4 stuff. They started tweaking some things, stopped, went on to something else, stopped. Its a clusterfuck of unfocused changes for the sake of changes. Case in point. 2013 Lets buff drone use and damps. OOOPS 2014 Lets nerf drone use and damps. Maybe we can get by adding .01 mass to the Caracal in 1.3 and call it a balance pass. Ya we did cruisers in late 2012 maybe no one will notice though. hahaha on the one hand you say 'just make all t2 better than meta 4' leaving aside meta 1-3 till later then you complain they're analysing and reiterating their previous work
no it's not faster just to make unconsidered changes, that's how ccp's historically screwed up big time
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5293
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:39:00 -
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Shaddup! Those guys like in NPC null sec (where I still have a some of my stuff by the way).
You don't undestand the game, as they say you know NOTHING about EvE.
EvE is made of:
Sov null sec.
NPC Null sec
WHs
Low sec and Hi sec. I put them together because they consider low sec just as a joke of nature.
All bow to sov null sec overlords, THE TRUE ONE AND ONLY Right Way To Play The Game For Professionals. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:39:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:They have been saying they will get around to it for years. Just another tater from CCP to be honest, Rise will quit eventually and the next guy who thinks he is hot **** will take the wheel and lead us back through another cyclical ship and weapon rebalance. the rebalancing team is ytterbium, tallest, fozzie and rise iirc and they've always said that if it comes it'll be after all the ships are done And the ships have never been done they have been rebalancing ships for years. Meta issues have been around for years. Do you not think it is much quicker and easier to say hey ALL the T2 stuff should function better than the Meta 4 stuff. They started tweaking some things, stopped, went on to something else, stopped. Its a clusterfuck of unfocused changes for the sake of changes. Case in point. 2013 Lets buff drone use and damps. OOOPS 2014 Lets nerf drone use and damps. Maybe we can get by adding .01 mass to the Caracal in 1.3 and call it a balance pass. Ya we did cruisers in late 2012 maybe no one will notice though. hahaha on the one hand you say 'just make all t2 better than meta 4' leaving aside meta 1-3 till later then you complain they're analysing and reiterating their previous work no it's not faster just to make unconsidered changes, that's how ccp's historically screwed up big time
Meta 1-3 are balanced to Meta 4 though. They have never been a problem. Training into T2 mods should be better overall statistically, unless they can not be fit where you give up stats for fittings. Not that hard to implement changes there.Such as LSE II offered the same protection as the Meta 4 variant with more fitting costs. That was addressed. Or Rolled Tungsten and T2 Plates.
Why does the Phase Muon still out perform the Sensor Damp II? Same bonus, same benefits, better fitting, less cap consumption.
Fix some things leave others. "we will get around to it guys!" In the meantime here is a bunch of deployables. Check out the MTU its awesome it makes cleaning loot after missions so easy...btw we are nerfing the value of mission loot enjoy using the MTU guys! |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2741
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:44:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Meta 1-3 are balanced to Meta 4 though. They have never been a problem. nah noone uses them
meta 0 - used by the noobiest of newbies (less than a week old) and t2 production, otherwise completely useless meta 1 to 3 - useless except for guns where meta 4 is often too expensive, and prop mods meta 4 - only used for fitting or if you haven't trained t2 meta 5 - standard
faction/officer - guns are useless. some faction are useless, and let's not talk about cosmos
non-t1 meta 0 - wtf is this |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5293
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:44:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Tippia wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Just complaining that CCP seems content on killing newbie friendly professions. But hey **** new players right. No newbie profession is being killed here. Its cute that you think that, but most salvagers/reprocessors are newbs.
And most looters are newbies who can't affort neither the ship nor the tank to survive rooms aggro for the blitzing. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20178
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:46:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:The sheer fact that the efficiency change results in a universal devaluing of the base mineral reprocessed value of ALL non-ice/oremitems in the entire game already substantiates that unequivocably. GǪand the doom and gloom you paint as a consequence of this remains unsubstantiated.
Mario Putzo wrote:There are no issues. You can't even name one. Oh, you meant GÇ£no reason to touchGÇ¥ that way? I read it as you trying to parrot Salvos' claim that no-one will touch the skills. As for issues with reprocessing, I have already described one. Feel free to respond to it rather than pretend it doesn't exist. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
385
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:47:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Meta 1-3 are balanced to Meta 4 though. They have never been a problem. nah noone uses them meta 0 - used by the noobiest of newbies (less than a week old) and t2 production, otherwise completely useless meta 1 to 3 - useless except for guns where meta 4 is often too expensive, and prop mods meta 4 - only used for fitting or if you haven't trained t2 meta 5 - standard faction/officer - guns are useless. some faction are useless, and let's not talk about cosmos non-t1 meta 0 - wtf is this
no one uses them but hey guys here is a list of where and when people use them!
Come on guy. Ive argued with walls who are more consistent than you.
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2741
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:48:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Shaddup! Those guys like in NPC null sec (where I still have a some of my stuff by the way).
You don't undestand the game, as they say you know NOTHING about EvE. please don't post like a ****. and that poster's talking about belt/anom gunmining for building so it's safe so say he's Doing It Wrong |
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