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admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:00:00 -
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Dude, I love Orwell, too, but you've been reading far too much of his stuff. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20190
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:02:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Well, so the null sec cartels say. Who? You keep bringing this GÇ£cartelGÇ¥ up at every opportunity but you have never been able to explain what or who it even is.
Quote:What I will enjoy is when CCP and the cartels actually DO wreck high sec completely What makes you think that anything of the kind will ever happen or that it is a goal to do so?
Quote:If null sec is so poor, and every smart null sec player has high sec alts to support their null sec lifestyle, there is going to be a fairly decent segment of redundant high sec characters, where the null sec main already can do what the high sec char can do. Maybe not in mining and manufacturing, but in ratting and exploration most certainly. What makes them redundant when they can just keep doing what they're doing?
Quote:Yeah, the more I think about it, CCP is going to find out how ecosystems work very soon, and the cartels will just point and laugh at the dev's who merrily went along with this assault. What assault?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2692
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:07:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:You know, it is a pretty simple equation. If I am insane, and my posts are the ravings of a madman, then why don't you sadly shake your head at the loon, and ignore the entire thread, instead of constantly opposing me and insulting me?
I would think ignoring a thread should hasten it's passage from the 1st page of threads.
Yet here you are, adding to 30 some odd pages of intense arguments.
Maybe, just maybe, you realize that perhaps you have to add your voice to the mod to discredit me. otherwise some people on the fence might just decide "hey, Dinsdale is right, and CCP and the cartels are out to wreck the high sec, the incubator and home to the largest segment of the player base". So if it's so simple, explain it. How have you ow come to the conclusion that high sec industrialists are being nerfed? The whole topic of this post is that it was mission runners. Now it's industrialists. Your lunacy isn't even consistent.
By the way, the reason people respond is that while it's insane tinfoil hattery, it is very entertaining to watch crazy people being crazy. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Emuar
Vak'Atioth War Veterans
11
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
That's an excellent question, although possibly not in the sense you meant it.
i am really curious, that was honest question.
how more profitable it must be?
why do renters pay isk for that space?
why so many years refining in sov null was not on pair with npc stations and now it must be plain better than in npc null, WH, lowsec?
If we talking about buffing sov null industry:
null imports large part of low end minerals and high end ore already was buffed with low end minerals - from that buff we can make prediction that CCP want them to be more self sustainable, i am wrong?
now from new dev blog we see that CCP is tweaking ore compressions rates and volumes to compensate lose of minerals compression through modules - so CCP understand and don't mind that null depends on minerals import from high sec trade hubs - So this time nothing about self sustainability, i am wrong?
The mind is a constant. Unfortunately the number of people increases every year.... |
Marsha Mallow
147
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:42:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Well, so the null sec cartels say. The bullsec cartels are full of ****, and when you tinfoil hat like this you lend them way more credit than they deserve. They only grouped together because they are brain damaged from handbagging each other on kugu. Cartels such as OTEC/GAYLORD only exist because people like you gave them the idea in the first place. They are far too dim/busy touching each other manfully to think this **** up. Take some responsibility! Talk to any alliance leader for longer than 2 minutes and you might start to notice their inability to count beyond 5. There's only goonnoobscrubs with an effective Finance director, and tbh the finstats a lot of the rest produce are so diabolical I'm suprised people don't fall over laughing reading them.
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:What I will enjoy is when CCP and the cartels actually DO wreck high sec completely -bullshit- Further, when high sec becomes the wasteland so wished for by the cartels and clearly CCP, suddenly all the griefer alts parked in high sec won't have any targets to fulfill the sociopathic fantasies of the null sec mains. . Might look like this. Not that rampant avarice, cowardice, extortion and selfishness is a virus to be eradicated. Nothing wrong with shooting zombies though, is there? - |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2692
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:45:00 -
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Emuar wrote:i am really curious, that was honest question.
how more profitable it must be? The space itself could never be profitable enough to force people to use it without it breaking the economy. And if it were used a lot more, it would only attract masses of pirates out for easy kills.
Emuar wrote:why do renters pay isk for that space? Renters pay isk as the space is more scalable for groups. It's easier for a group to base out of rented space and all profit rather than competing with others over public systems. Remember though that all sov costs isk, whether it's paid to a player or not, so all sov space is rented technically speaking. People that rent off of null groups merely pay a premium for someone else to deal with the high level warfare and the upkeep, as well as whatever other benefits they give (JBs, etc).
Emuar wrote:why so many years refining in sov null was not on pair with npc stations and now it must be plain better than in npc null, WH, lowsec? It's only better if you pay the billions it costs to upgrade a station. It's like 50-80b to upgrade a single station, and at best, it's 6% better than a POS. And the change there is to boost null industry which is in decline and is pretty dire.
Emuar wrote:If we talking about buffing sov null industry:
null imports large part of low end minerals and high end ore already was buffed with low end minerals - from that buff we can make prediction that CCP want them to be more self sustainable, i am wrong? Actually, if you look at the way compression is being buffed, the increased refine rate and the ease of compressing ore in high sec will lead to a better profit rate for compression, and more opportunity to ship from high to null. Remember if a null group can refine at a 6% better rate, they will be likely to pay 6% more for ore compressed in hgih sec and shipped down, so high sec players will benefit from their refine rate without refining.
Emuar wrote:now from new dev blog we see that CCP is tweaking ore compressions rates and volumes to compensate lose of minerals compression through modules - so CCP understand and don't mind that null depends on minerals import from high sec trade hubs - So this time nothing about self sustainability, i am wrong? Exactly, the prosed changes just push compression as a standalone profession rather than being a side job for a manufacturer. The need to ship bulk materials from high to null will still be there and will just be better supported. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2692
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:48:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Well, so the null sec cartels say. The bullsec cartels are full of ****, and when you tinfoil hat like this you lend them way more credit than they deserve. They only grouped together because they are brain damaged from handbagging each other on kugu. Cartels such as OTEC/GAYLORD only exist because people like you gave them the idea in the first place. They are far too dim/busy touching each other manfully to think this **** up. Take some responsibility! Talk to any alliance leader for longer than 2 minutes and you might start to notice their inability to count beyond 5. There's only goonnoobscrubs with an effective Finance director, and tbh the finstats a lot of the rest produce are so diabolical I'm suprised people don't fall over laughing reading them. Lol, rage much? You do sound like such the intellectual though. Please continue to tell us how dumb everyone else is.
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Marsha Mallow
147
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:53:00 -
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That was pretty tame **** taking tbh. You'll know when I'm really annoyed - |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1022
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Posted - 2014.03.23 01:16:00 -
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Emuar
Vak'Atioth War Veterans
12
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Posted - 2014.03.23 03:04:00 -
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@Lucas Kell
thank you for constructive answer but there are some contradictions:
"The space itself could never be profitable enough to force people to use it without it breaking the economy. And if it were used a lot more, it would only attract masses of pirates out for easy kills"
"Renters pay isk as the space is more scalable for groups. It's easier for a group to base out of rented space and all profit rather than competing with others over public systems. Remember though that all sov costs isk, whether it's paid to a player or not, so all sov space is rented technically speaking. People that rent off of null groups merely pay a premium for someone else to deal with the high level warfare and the upkeep, as well as whatever other benefits they give (JBs, etc)."
space not profitable enough to force people to use it... so what renters do there? how using the space will breaking economy? are you saying that there is no profit when renting out that space? i understand that renters pay for protection, but that means they have enough profit, do you agree?
these renters are people, legitimate players as i and you, so they can be part of sov owning alliance, no? if they join sov owning alliance that space automatically will be not profitable?
"It's only better if you pay the billions it costs to upgrade a station. It's like 50-80b to upgrade a single station, and at best, it's 6% better than a POS. And the change there is to boost null industry which is in decline and is pretty dire."
if you think 60+b is a lot of isk then look here someone already made nice spreadsheet and your math a bit wrong because new 86+% refine in reality will be 100% (max possible)
"Remember if a null group can refine at a 6% better rate, they will be likely to pay 6% more for ore compressed in hgih sec and shipped down, so high sec players will benefit from their refine rate without refining."
do you really believe it? are we playing the same game? buy as low as you can and sell as high as you can - that is eve market. The mind is a constant. Unfortunately the number of people increases every year.... |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2692
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Posted - 2014.03.23 03:27:00 -
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Emuar wrote:@Lucas Kell
thank you for constructive answer but there are some contradictions:
"The space itself could never be profitable enough to force people to use it without it breaking the economy. And if it were used a lot more, it would only attract masses of pirates out for easy kills"
"Renters pay isk as the space is more scalable for groups. It's easier for a group to base out of rented space and all profit rather than competing with others over public systems. Remember though that all sov costs isk, whether it's paid to a player or not, so all sov space is rented technically speaking. People that rent off of null groups merely pay a premium for someone else to deal with the high level warfare and the upkeep, as well as whatever other benefits they give (JBs, etc)."
space not profitable enough to force people to use it... so what renters do there? how using the space will breaking economy? are you saying that there is no profit when renting out that space? i understand that renters pay for protection, but that means they have enough profit, do you agree? I mean it''s not profitable enough to make it worth it for people working as individuals. A group of moderate size focussing on a single venture can use a system better. Alliances though are usually varied as a matter of necessity. To make it worthwhile for a large alliance to full utilise the space it would need to be more individually profitable.
And a small group renting space can survive quite well as they don't attract much attention. A large group though, all packed into a smaller area, that would attract pirates from everywhere. If that happened, suddenly there would be a requirement for people to effectively stand guard and be a player run concord for the area, which would be the most boring job in the game.
Emuar wrote:"It's only better if you pay the billions it costs to upgrade a station. It's like 50-80b to upgrade a single station, and at best, it's 6% better than a POS. And the change there is to boost null industry which is in decline and is pretty dire." if you think 60+b is a lot of isk then look here someone already made nice spreadsheet and your math a bit wrong because new 86+% refine in reality will be 100% (max possible) That spreadsheet just sows how much ore would need to be refined. So to pay for the upgrade, 284b isk of ore would need to be refined to pay for a minmatar outpost upgrade. That's still an upfront cost that someone has to decide to pay, which is tied to the sov of the system, which you have to pay upkeep on. It's not like the reprocessing fairly is flying around null sprinkling free upgrades and sov bills.
Emuar wrote:"Remember if a null group can refine at a 6% better rate, they will be likely to pay 6% more for ore compressed in hgih sec and shipped down, so high sec players will benefit from their refine rate without refining."
do you really believe it? are we playing the same game? buy as low as you can and sell as high as you can - that is eve market. Yes I do, because even now, the price of most refinables is equal to or above the total value of those minerals, especially when it comes to compressed modules now which are sold at a premium by the producers. There's no reason to think that will suddenly stop and the price will reduce to below the mineral value once the change is in place. People pay for convenience. It won't be that people will be paying high on purpose, it's that people will be selling high, and null industrialists will pay for it since its a product they require.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
401
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Posted - 2014.03.23 03:36:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: And a small group renting space can survive quite well as they don't attract much attention. A large group though, all packed into a smaller area, that would attract pirates from everywhere. If that happened, suddenly there would be a requirement for people to effectively stand guard and be a player run concord for the area, which would be the most boring job in the game.
You mean encouraging PVP in what is supposed to be the region of Elite PVP is bad? Or does PVP only count when there is a Timer on a Structure and Mittens sends a Jabber Ping out to the CFC? I suppose this explains why CFC space is so empty from Tenal to Period Basis. Or maybe its the massive PASSIVE income generated by MoonGoo that means pilots don't need to be out in space making ISK, because all their stuff is paid for by moons mined automatically by a POS. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3340
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Posted - 2014.03.23 03:38:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:[quote=Emuar]@Lucas Kell And a small group renting space can survive quite well as they don't attract much attention. A large group though, all packed into a smaller area, that would attract pirates from everywhere. If that happened, suddenly there would be a requirement for people to effectively stand guard and be a player run concord for the area, which would be the most boring job in the game.
You mean encouraging PVP in what is supposed to be the region of Elite PVP? Or does PVP only count when there is a Timer on a Structure and Mittens sends a Jabber Ping out to the CFC? I suppose this explains why CFC space is so empty from Tenal to Period Basis. Or maybe its the massive PASSIVE income generated by MoonGoo that means pilots don't need to be out in space making ISK, because all their stuff is paid for by moons mined automatically by a POS.
More like the little reward doesn't justify the risk. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
401
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Posted - 2014.03.23 03:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:[quote=Emuar]@Lucas Kell And a small group renting space can survive quite well as they don't attract much attention. A large group though, all packed into a smaller area, that would attract pirates from everywhere. If that happened, suddenly there would be a requirement for people to effectively stand guard and be a player run concord for the area, which would be the most boring job in the game.
You mean encouraging PVP in what is supposed to be the region of Elite PVP? Or does PVP only count when there is a Timer on a Structure and Mittens sends a Jabber Ping out to the CFC? I suppose this explains why CFC space is so empty from Tenal to Period Basis. Or maybe its the massive PASSIVE income generated by MoonGoo that means pilots don't need to be out in space making ISK, because all their stuff is paid for by moons mined automatically by a POS. More like the little reward doesn't justify the risk.
There is no risk if you have a security force baby sitting you. Lucas was exactly correct on how you combat a pirate threat thus no risk. Heck even less risk then doing the EXACT same thing in LS, or even HS.
"Hey guys PVP in the PVP region is bad mmkay! Let us mine our moongoo in peace." |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
859
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Posted - 2014.03.23 03:57:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:[quote=Emuar]@Lucas Kell And a small group renting space can survive quite well as they don't attract much attention. A large group though, all packed into a smaller area, that would attract pirates from everywhere. If that happened, suddenly there would be a requirement for people to effectively stand guard and be a player run concord for the area, which would be the most boring job in the game.
You mean encouraging PVP in what is supposed to be the region of Elite PVP? Or does PVP only count when there is a Timer on a Structure and Mittens sends a Jabber Ping out to the CFC? I suppose this explains why CFC space is so empty from Tenal to Period Basis. Or maybe its the massive PASSIVE income generated by MoonGoo that means pilots don't need to be out in space making ISK, because all their stuff is paid for by moons mined automatically by a POS. More like the little reward doesn't justify the risk. There is no risk if you have a security force baby sitting you miners. Lucas was exactly correct on how you combat a pirate threat thus no risk. Heck even less risk then doing the EXACT same thing in LS, or even HS. "Hey guys PVP in the PVP region is bad mmkay! Let us mine our moongoo in peace."
Not only are you *literally* complaining about security through co-operation in a multiplayer game, come patch day any highsec miner will be able to drop a pos in a dead end, enjoy the same empty (and thus useful) local that comprises the majority of the *actual* protection in nullsec and dump straight to the compressor from their mack, and fly the compressed ore in a viator, which is almost uninterceptable in highsec if you can manage to make undocking and docking instas.
Presuming that you set yourself a 1B limit on your freighter to avoid economic ganking, the viator actually hauls *more* compressed ore because of how damn fast it is, and small pos, compressor and viator is a lot cheaper than a freighter. You only need the pos online when compressing so not even fuel is a bother. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3340
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Posted - 2014.03.23 03:58:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:[quote=Emuar]@Lucas Kell And a small group renting space can survive quite well as they don't attract much attention. A large group though, all packed into a smaller area, that would attract pirates from everywhere. If that happened, suddenly there would be a requirement for people to effectively stand guard and be a player run concord for the area, which would be the most boring job in the game.
You mean encouraging PVP in what is supposed to be the region of Elite PVP? Or does PVP only count when there is a Timer on a Structure and Mittens sends a Jabber Ping out to the CFC? I suppose this explains why CFC space is so empty from Tenal to Period Basis. Or maybe its the massive PASSIVE income generated by MoonGoo that means pilots don't need to be out in space making ISK, because all their stuff is paid for by moons mined automatically by a POS. More like the little reward doesn't justify the risk. There is no risk if you have a security force baby sitting you. Lucas was exactly correct on how you combat a pirate threat thus no risk. Heck even less risk then doing the EXACT same thing in LS, or even HS. "Hey guys PVP in the PVP region is bad mmkay! Let us mine our moongoo in peace."
Unless the reward is equal to however much you can make in highsec with the combined force of yourself and the people who would have to guard no, no, it's not worth it.
In fact, even then highsec is preferable, because at least that way you're aren't doing something as mind numbingly bored as guard duty. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
401
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:02:00 -
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Tauranon wrote: Not only are you *literally* complaining about security through co-operation in a multiplayer game, come patch day any highsec miner will be able to drop a pos in a dead end, enjoy the same empty (and thus useful) local that comprises the majority of the *actual* protection in nullsec and dump straight to the compressor from their mack, and fly the compressed ore in a viator, which is almost uninterceptable in highsec if you can manage to make undocking and docking instas.
Presuming that you set yourself a 1B limit on your freighter to avoid economic ganking, the viator actually hauls *more* compressed ore because of how damn fast it is, and small pos, compressor and viator is a lot cheaper than a freighter. You only need the pos online when compressing so not even fuel is a bother.
I haven't complained once about security. I said security is how you deal with pirate threats, and that security is easier to apply to threats in 0.0 than any other region of space. Sorry if you were confused by what I said. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
401
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:07:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Unless the reward is equal to however much you can make in highsec with the combined force of yourself and the people who would have to guard no, no, it's not worth it.
In fact, even then highsec is preferable, because at least that way you're aren't doing something as mind numbingly bored as guard duty.
The reward is equal mining is 272% more Isk/m3 in Null sec than it is in highsec.
Once again commenting on the lack of reward is ridiculous. Nullsec is more isk effective than everything in HS. The only reason people don't do it, is because they do not need to do it. Passive MoonGoo pays their way, they don't need to worry about Isk unless they are plexing their accounts, and said isk is easily earned through the much more isk efficient Ratting/Plexing/Anom running available in Nullsec.
If CCP truly wanted to increase Nullsec mining/production, they would nerf Moons into oblivion. Or flip said moons with the ones in Lowsec, as it should be considering risk/reward and all that. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3340
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:08:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Unless the reward is equal to however much you can make in highsec with the combined force of yourself and the people who would have to guard no, no, it's not worth it.
In fact, even then highsec is preferable, because at least that way you're aren't doing something as mind numbingly bored as guard duty.
The reward is equal mining is 272% more Isk/m3 in Null sec than it is in highsec. Once again commenting on the lack of reward is ridiculous. Nullsec is more isk effective than everything in HS. The only reason people don't do it, is because they do not need to do it. Passive MoonGoo pays their way, they don't need to worry about Isk unless they are plexing their accounts, and said isk is easily earned through the much more isk efficient Ratting/Plexing/Anom running available in Nullsec. If CCP truly wanted to increase Nullsec mining/production, they would nerf Moons into oblivion. Or flip said moons with the ones in Lowsec, as it should be considering risk/reward and all that.
You do realize that, despite how you may blow and bluster, the Goons moongoo doesn't even pay all their sov bills? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
401
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:12:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Unless the reward is equal to however much you can make in highsec with the combined force of yourself and the people who would have to guard no, no, it's not worth it.
In fact, even then highsec is preferable, because at least that way you're aren't doing something as mind numbingly bored as guard duty.
The reward is equal mining is 272% more Isk/m3 in Null sec than it is in highsec. Once again commenting on the lack of reward is ridiculous. Nullsec is more isk effective than everything in HS. The only reason people don't do it, is because they do not need to do it. Passive MoonGoo pays their way, they don't need to worry about Isk unless they are plexing their accounts, and said isk is easily earned through the much more isk efficient Ratting/Plexing/Anom running available in Nullsec. If CCP truly wanted to increase Nullsec mining/production, they would nerf Moons into oblivion. Or flip said moons with the ones in Lowsec, as it should be considering risk/reward and all that. You do realize that, despite how you may blow and bluster, the Goons moongoo doesn't even pay all their sov bills?
It pays so their members don't need to. Passively. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3340
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:13:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: It pays so their members don't need to. Passively.
And....? I suppose you are going to claim their SRP comes out of that, too? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
401
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:15:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote: It pays so their members don't need to. Passively.
And....? I suppose you are going to claim their SRP comes out of that, too?
It most certainly does. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3340
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:17:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote: It pays so their members don't need to. Passively.
And....? I suppose you are going to claim their SRP comes out of that, too? It most certainly does.
Yeah, you don't care about the truth, clearly. The total income of every R64 on the map isn't enough to cover their SRP.
Grr, g/m(oons), I guess. You have fun with that. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
401
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:21:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote: It pays so their members don't need to. Passively.
And....? I suppose you are going to claim their SRP comes out of that, too? It most certainly does. Yeah, you don't care about the truth, clearly. The total income of every R64 on the map isn't enough to cover their SRP. Grr, g/m(oons), I guess. You have fun with that.
I didn't say they covered their whole SRP I said it provides into it PASSIVELY so their members don't have to. Thus they don't NEED to use the space they have/
Do you not know what the word passive means? Or just a hard time with basic English? |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
379
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:23:00 -
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TIL
Nullsec is less profitable than hisec. Sov nullsec is very dangerous CCP loves Goonswarm
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3340
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:24:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote: It pays so their members don't need to. Passively.
And....? I suppose you are going to claim their SRP comes out of that, too? It most certainly does. Yeah, you don't care about the truth, clearly. The total income of every R64 on the map isn't enough to cover their SRP. Grr, g/m(oons), I guess. You have fun with that. I didn't say they covered their whole SRP I said it provides into it PASSIVELY so their members don't have to. Thus they don't NEED to use the space they have/ Do you not know what the word passive means? Or just a hard time with basic English?
It doesn't matter how passive it is, if it's not enough money.
Necessary expenses > Passive income. By a huge margin. So who gives a rat's ass? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:29:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Unless the reward is equal to however much you can make in highsec with the combined force of yourself and the people who would have to guard no, no, it's not worth it.
In fact, even then highsec is preferable, because at least that way you're aren't doing something as mind numbingly bored as guard duty.
The reward is equal mining is 272% more Isk/m3 in Null sec than it is in highsec.
After you divide equally including the mysterious security force that I've never seen. After you take up time spent docked because there was a threat the mysterious security force couldn't deal with anyway ?
Where did you pull the number from anyway ?
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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. The Storm Collective
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:31:00 -
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certainly passive income sources need to be restrained. What kind of empire should be allowed to exist that does no real work on it's own infrastructure? LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Kyperion
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:32:00 -
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Nullbears stop derailing this thread about High Security missioning you ******* dicks! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:35:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:certainly passive income sources need to be restrained. What kind of empire should be allowed to exist that does no real work on it's own infrastructure?
What kind of empire can there be if infrastructure is de-incentivized? There's little point building manufacturing and research infrastructure when highsec is automatically better in every way.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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