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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.25 06:39:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I was in the UNI a long tme. I know how many new players use mission loot as a major source of their income. I know how many times new players would trail along behind an older player who mas generous enough not to loot their site. I also know how many of those new players have not particularly great refining skills, but will certainly mine to make some coin. I used to help out with mining ops with new players. UNIstas would show up in a belt and go nuts.
These players all just got killed in their income. No, all those players just got a reason to learn how to make a good income rather than a horrid one. If they actually adapt to the new changes, their income will shoot up.
Quote:It does not matter how CCP and the null sec cartels Who?
Quote:those new players are all faced with a huge drop in their income. No, it's not a particularly huge drop since minerals stopped being a big portion of what you get a long time ago. Everything that actually earns them money GÇö high-value loot, salvage, pure ISK rewards, bounties, and LP GÇö is still there. The fact that they didn't have great refining skills or standings means they never got a lot of minerals out of the little loot as it was; this change only reduces that already very small source.
Quote:Yet this is supposed to improve the new player experience. Says who? This is supposed to remove a downright idiotic mechanism that nullifies choice, makes entire skills pointless, offers no incentive to move beyond NPC services, devalues mining, and muddies the water for industrialists, and at the same time, it creates a new career path (mainly in highsec). It also removes the need for the fugly extra-materials kluge whenever manufactured items get rebalanced and it sets a proper stage for future module metacide efforts.
It thereby improves the game for pretty much everyone. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3363
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Posted - 2014.03.25 06:43:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:ALL those new players just got creamed.
hot Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:21 pages deleted from 45 . That break is well deserved . 45? It was well over 50 when he locked it, I thought? When i saw he was going to clean the thread I reported his post saying 'you'll need to sweep 30 pages off, not even Hercules could clean this'. Hercules was merely a demigod, Ezwal is ISD
The thing that still astonishes me is that they aren't paid for this. In the sense that he just chainsawed 30+ pages of this thread to keep it going, instead of just locking it and calling it a day.
And for free.
Now THAT is dedication to the community. ISD Ezwal for CSM 9. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
682
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Posted - 2014.03.25 06:46:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote: Ezwal walks outside for a much needed break and a smoke, gazes at the stars....relaxes.....ah the tranquillity.....
21 pages deleted from 45 . That break is well deserved . 45? It was well over 50 when he locked it, I thought? Well, I guess I was late to the show then . Remove insurance. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.03.25 06:48:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote: Ezwal walks outside for a much needed break and a smoke, gazes at the stars....relaxes.....ah the tranquillity.....
21 pages deleted from 45 . That break is well deserved . 45? It was well over 50 when he locked it, I thought? Well, I guess I was late to the show then .
It escalated quickly. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 07:48:00 -
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Sirikar Nakasoroki wrote:Love the logic behind all this..
People don't use current compression methods such as rorqual to transport minerals..CCP's fault.
solution nerf refine on modules to prevent a certain part of the player base using a module in the way its not intended, in this case using modules to compress minerals.
At the same time cut mission runners loot refines by 45% as a knock on effect should they collect the loot, knock on effect will probably be more mission blitzing and possibly a increase in price on salvage materials considering if people won't bother looting in missions they probably won't bother salvaging either, be interesting to see the numbers on how much salvage materials come from high sec mission loot.
instead why not just fix the compression problem with the rorqual and null sec stations, the reprocessing change is not even needed. But that's not the only reason for the change. It's also to stop industrialists being able to just change their mind and refine their product back to material. It's also to allow CCP to be able to change BPO materials when they balance things without having to hack in "extra materials" to prevent magic minerals appearing.
And prior to MTUs, a lot fewer people looted. MTUs increased efficiency by an absolutely huge amount. This change reduces only the junk loot portion of mining, which by estimates from the people that know their loot is around 4% reduction in overall income, less than the null bounty reduction and certainly not reducing missioning efficiency to pre-MTU rates. People like the OP are just having a knee-jerk reaction to the change without realistically calculating it. They keep just saying "ooh, 45%" like the overall reduction to missioning will be that. It's not even close. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2404
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Posted - 2014.03.25 07:58:00 -
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Oh god is this thread still open?
See, this is why censorship can be a force for good. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:18:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Oh god is this thread still open?
See, this is why censorship can be a force for good. I know right? Took me a minute to realise it's the same thread with the overhaul though :p I kinda wish they'd given us shorter notice on the change. Like the day before or something. Since now we are gonna have to deal with the same thing over and over until the summer. Then when it rolls around 99% of the complainers will go "oh, is that all it's doing?" and plod along merrily. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2404
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:19:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Oh god is this thread still open?
See, this is why censorship can be a force for good. I know right? Took me a minute to realise it's the same thread with the overhaul though :p I kinda wish they'd given us shorter notice on the change. Like the day before or something. Since now we are gonna have to deal with the same thing over and over until the summer. Then when it rolls around 99% of the complainers will go "oh, is that all it's doing?" and plod along merrily.
I know right.
Plus, it also breaks into the "Nerf/buff High/Null" territory of that other horrible never-ending thread *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
435
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Oh god is this thread still open? See, this is why censorship can be a force for good.
Perhaps. Particularly on the part of a few hired whitewashers, spindoctors, stonewallers and associated like-farming alts.
All that aside, it is objectively true that these changes nerf certain activities. No escaping that fact, though individuals may perceive the significance differently.
(Inb4 but but muh benefits!! Dey r plaing wrung!! etc) |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10572
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:27:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Oh god is this thread still open? See, this is why censorship can be a force for good. Perhaps. Particularly on the part of a few hired whitewashers, spindoctors, stonewallers and associated like-farming alts. All that aside, it is objectively true that these changes nerf certain activities. No escaping that fact, though individuals may perceive the significance differently. (Inb4 but but muh benefits!! Dey r plaing wrung!! etc)
Its a dinsdale thread.
He will continue to bounce up and down foaming at the mouth over this less than 5% drop in income to mission runners forever. His last rage-a-thron over Marauders got shot down by a Dev with some juicy server numbers all showing Marauders being more healthy after the changes but he still went on. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2404
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:28:00 -
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Is he supposed to be boss-eyed?
I feel Im trolling to point it out, but I feel he's trolling to make an AV who need to wear corrective lenses. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
435
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Is he supposed to be boss-eyed?
I feel Im trolling to point it out, but I feel he's trolling to make an AV who need to wear corrective lenses.
Who? What?
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Oh god is this thread still open? See, this is why censorship can be a force for good. Perhaps. Particularly on the part of a few hired whitewashers, spindoctors, stonewallers and associated like-farming alts. All that aside, it is objectively true that these changes nerf certain activities. No escaping that fact, though individuals may perceive the significance differently. (Inb4 but but muh benefits!! Dey r plaing wrung!! etc) Its a dinsdale thread. He will continue to bounce up and down foaming at the mouth over this less than 5% drop in income to mission runners forever. His last rage-a-thron over Marauders got shot down by a Dev with some juicy server numbers all showing Marauders being more healthy after the changes but he still went on.
Yeah, another one of your lies. Tell that to the incursion community that I was in that died after the Paladin's web bonus was removed. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:03:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Yeah, another one of your lies. How is it a lie? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
435
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Yeah, another one of your lies. How is it a lie? CALLING SPINCONTROL UNITS, STAT!
Give it a rest, Tippia. Please. |
Adrie Atticus
Unicorn Love Hurts
45
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:18:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Tell that to the incursion community that I was in that died after the Paladin's web bonus was removed.
Could have swapped to Vindicators? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4742
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:18:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Yeah, another one of your lies. Tell that to the incursion community that I was in that died after the Paladin's web bonus was removed.
Oh no YOUR incursion community was unable to adapt unlike everyone else & ultimately died. This is outrageous! How dare CCP make awesome changes.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:21:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Tell that to the incursion community that I was in that died after the Paladin's web bonus was removed.
The moment I'd have realized that I'd been associated with you, I'd have jumped ship, too. Hell, I'd have biomassed the character and then gotten in my shower in the fetal position. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10572
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:29:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Yeah, another one of your lies. Tell that to the incursion community that I was in that died after the Paladin's web bonus was removed.
You mean the one that is doing more incursions now than before the changes?
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:17:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Yeah, another one of your lies. How is it a lie? CALLING SPINCONTROL UNITS, STAT! Give it a rest, Tippia. Please. Isn't it funny how you are allowed to respond to people in whatever way you wish, but when other people respond to question comments directed at them, they are spinning, stonewalling and should shut up. Why are you so important to the community that your word should be final? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:23:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Give it a rest, Tippia. Please. If you want me to stop, then keep dindin from being wrong about everything he says. Good luck.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:33:00 -
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This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2738
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:36:00 -
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Afk Moon Goo wrote:This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when? Null ratting was nerfed very recently. I'm not sure removing all isk from ratting would be a good thing though, in any section of space. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20253
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:45:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Afk Moon Goo wrote:This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when? Null ratting was nerfed very recently. I'm not sure removing all isk from ratting would be a good thing though, in any section of space. It wouldn't. Removing bounties would put faucets and sinks at an almost equal level with no room to grow and no allowance for the basic hoarding instinct of your standard MMOer. It would be a spectacularly harmful thing to do. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Afk Moon Goo wrote:This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when? Null ratting was nerfed very recently. I'm not sure removing all isk from ratting would be a good thing though, in any section of space. It wouldn't. Removing bounties would put faucets and sinks at an almost equal level with no room to grow and no allowance for the basic hoarding instinct of your standard MMOer. It would be a spectacularly harmful thing to do.
That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them. As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.
But all this would require good design, so it's not happening.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10574
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:02:00 -
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Afk Moon Goo wrote:Tippia wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Afk Moon Goo wrote:This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when? Null ratting was nerfed very recently. I'm not sure removing all isk from ratting would be a good thing though, in any section of space. It wouldn't. Removing bounties would put faucets and sinks at an almost equal level with no room to grow and no allowance for the basic hoarding instinct of your standard MMOer. It would be a spectacularly harmful thing to do. That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them. As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle. But all this would require good design, so it's not happening.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:04:00 -
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Afk Moon Goo wrote:That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them. As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.
But all this would require good design, so it's not happening. No, it would require kicking half the playerbase in the nuts and mechanically forcing them to play a certain way, which is why it's not happening.
And inflation really isn't much of a problem at the moment. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2411
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:05:00 -
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Afk Moon Goo wrote: As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.
But all this would require good design, so it's not happening.
WTF is wrong with Blops?! They are insanely good already. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:13:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Afk Moon Goo wrote:That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them. As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.
But all this would require good design, so it's not happening. No, it would require kicking half the playerbase in the nuts and mechanically forcing them to play a certain way, which is why it's not happening. And inflation really isn't much of a problem at the moment.
No it wouldn't because "normal" pve is still available it's just less rewarding and inflation seems to be a problem for CCP and after looking at the market I tend to believe them.
Ramona McCandless wrote: WTF is wrong with Blops?! They are insanely good already.
baltec1 wrote: Black ops dont need any help.
Yes but the point is it's not viable to blops everytime to gank nullbears unless they only rat in carriers, especially if you live in lowsex. They should make it more viable for people in solo/small gang to gank bears in null without having to commit to null/wormholes, more content, emergent gameplay, risk, reward all that.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2741
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:23:00 -
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Afk Moon Goo wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Afk Moon Goo wrote:That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them. As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.
But all this would require good design, so it's not happening. No, it would require kicking half the playerbase in the nuts and mechanically forcing them to play a certain way, which is why it's not happening. And inflation really isn't much of a problem at the moment. No it wouldn't because "normal" pve is still available it's just less rewarding and inflation seems to be a problem for CCP and after looking at the market I tend to believe them. OK, explain to me where inflation is a serious problem then?
And PVE players would be forced to PVE in other areas to be able to compete on the level with anyone else. You'd be favouring PVP over PVE substantially for isk generation. That would give people the option of joining in or not bothering, since there would be no way for them to catch up.
The end result would be a whole bunch of people quitting, then the market crashing, since all of those things that there's a bunch of people happy to grind all day for wouldn't be provided. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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